Rhodes Must Fall - Oxford protesters target statue of colonialist

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Kadilo said:

I was under the impression that these forums do get read by people in Authority. 

 

Sounds like they just got a bit more spunk and would actually rather do something about it than just bleat about it. 

 

 

LOL. They are just a rabble that have an excuse to break things. They all come from countries that the locals have done terrible things in in the past and some in which the locals are doing terrible things now. No nation has clean hands.

 

[bodga]

9 minutes ago, sungod said:

UK wont pay back.

 

What about the scholars, will they? Or will they be hypocrites. Its all their choice. Lets see how principled they are.

No  problem just increase tuition fees  for foreign students to 1  billion pounds a  week thatll help with repayments

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, bodga said:

well  hidden

Seriously, there are no images of Mohammed as it's forbidden in Islam to have a likeness of him. They made a movie about him once, but couldn't show his face.

[Kadilo]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. They are just a rabble that have an excuse to break things. They all come from countries that the locals have done terrible things in in the past and some in which the locals are doing terrible things now. No nation has clean hands.

 

Strange, I never associated Oxford Uni with rabble. Opened my eyes. 

[bodga]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

Seriously, there are no images of Mohammed as it's forbidden in Islam to have a likeness of him. They made a movie about him once, but couldn't show his face.

I do  know, the point being he should be erased from everywhere also for his spreading by the sword, again all religions pretty  grim

Edited June 10, 2020 by bodga

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

......and yet they got into Oxford 

Exactly. Says everything about the sort of people allowed into Oxford universities. I guess they need the money.

[bodga]

1 minute ago, Kadilo said:

Strange, I never associated Oxford Uni with rabble. Opened my eyes. 

Its  like Scrabble without the s

[Kadilo]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 I guess they need the money.

I think not 

[CorpusChristie]

17 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Tell you what, once the UK pays back, at index linked levels, what the stole, then you make that 'request'.

What did the UK steal ?

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Kadilo said:

Strange, I never associated Oxford Uni with rabble. Opened my eyes. 

Obviously your opinion of a mob demanding the removal of historical statues is different from mine.

[Kadilo]

1 minute ago, bodga said:

Its  like Scrabble without the s

Or height with the s

[phetphet]

Rhodes Must Fall...Or what?  Are you going to leave?

[bodga]

1 minute ago, Kadilo said:

Or height with the s

not really

[Kadilo]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Obviously your opinion of a mob demanding the removal of historical statues is different from mine.

Clearly.

 Not social distancing is a bit naughty though in the current climate. Apart from that away you go. 

[thaibeachlovers]

16 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Fine by me, just as long as you accept that the rhodes scholarship puts zero obligation on anyone to respect statues of those who participated in slavery and the devastation of large parts of the world.

No it doesn't, but good manners demand that guests in a country behave and don't demand things that are none of their business.

 

[bodga]

Just now, Kadilo said:

Clearly.

 Not social distancing is a bit naughty though in the current climate. Apart from that away you go. 

We  can erect a statue  to  all the dead  fallen  students who died of covid 19 later

[TheDark]

5 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

What did the UK steal ?

People. Human beings. Souls. Among other things.

[Kadilo]

4 minutes ago, bodga said:

We  can erect a statue  to  all the dead  fallen  students who died of covid 19 later

Nah waste of money like all statues. 

Edited June 10, 2020 by Kadilo

[Bluespunk]

8 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

What did the UK steal ?

The empire stole a lot, especially it's slavers...

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, TheDark said:

People. Human beings. Souls. Among other things.

No, they were not "stolen". they were exchanged for other goods .

The slaves were not stolen, they were legally bought/bartered for 

[CorpusChristie]

Just now, Bluespunk said:

The empire stole a lot, especially it's slavers...

I didnt ask you how much was stolen, I did ask WHAT was stolen .

[Bluespunk]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No it doesn't, but good manners demand that guests in a country behave and don't demand things that are none of their business.

 

Could not agree less, university is all about thinking and expressing a view.

 

You don't like the view, then articulate an argument that can be debated rather than saying don't speak...

[Bluetongue]

29 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Of course now that the UK has admitted its horrible guilt presumably reparations will be paid by the UK to the descendants of those brutalised by Cecil Rhodes and his associates?

 

How many billions has the UK set aside for reparations to Africa, Malaysia, India, the Middle East?

 

Has anyone calculated the bill yet?

The compensation part comes at the end. Its an established format, complain, demonstrate, complain, take unilateral action, complain, demand apology, complain, demand compensation, complain. Rinse and repeat. If society is forced to constantly revisit history, to apply the latest social justice theories against the actions of our ancestors and to use the resulting objective opinion as justification for tearing down statues, buildings and institutions and the current relatives such as the Queen, there will be little left. The UK, USA, Russia, India, China, all of the Moslem World, most of Africa, Spain Portugal, South America, Europe have seen atrocities and injustices from time immemorial, and still do. Lets find every single person who had anything to do with any of these events and cancel them. All the great explorers, gone. Many of the great thinkers, risk takers and people who have contributed in every way on the journey we are all on. Instead of coming to terms with it, finding ways to leave it in the past where it belongs, the left is constantly agonising about it, focusing on it. Why, because they have nothing in the future but misery and hopelessness, everyone knows that dicatatorial socialism or communism is no better, but worse. they dont want their supporters to focus on that bleak future in their closed, controlled world. We've all had a glimpse of it recently and didn't like it. But at the moment there is no prospect of a reasonable debate, about a way forward, all you get is basically screaming incoherence in America doesn't look to be any better in the UK. Until the left acknowledge that there are other views and opinions that are legitimate, nothing will happen. Meanwhile the majority sit at home, as they were told, and remain silent.

Edited June 10, 2020 by Bluetongue
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[TheDark]

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

No, they were not "stolen". they were exchanged for other goods .

The slaves were not stolen, they were legally bought/bartered for 

So..  there.

[Bluespunk]

8 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

I didnt ask you how much was stolen, I did ask WHAT was stolen .

I just answered you, you do know what slavers did don't you?

 

You know, stole peoples freedom...

 

Then there was the whole De Beers set up, those diamonds were valuable...

 

Lets see what else, mineral wealth, gold, land, crops grown on those lands, treasures of the countries occupied...

 

Oh and I never said how much was stolen.

 

Edited June 10, 2020 by Bluespunk

[Kadilo]

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

They would need to give the scholarship money back

Is that so. I wasnt aware of that rule. 

Edited June 10, 2020 by Kadilo

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, Kadilo said:

Is that so. I wasnt aware of that rule. 

Morally, not legally .

If she has issues with how the money was obtained , she morally shouldnt accept it .

[Logosone]

27 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Trillions more like.

 

Yes, it would be trillions for sure. After all the British empire was built on piracy, presumably the Spanish have a legitimate claim against the criminal acts of Francis Drake? Then Indonesia, Malaysia and Burma could claim in the trillions for the removal of raw materials by force and deception.

 

Of course the big one would be India where anti-British sentiment is simmering to this day for the shameless exploitation of India.

 

At the beginning of the 18th Century, India's share of the world economy was 23%, as large as all of Europe put together. By the time the British departed India, it had dropped to less than 4%.

 

The debt the UK owes to India is absolutely staggering:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-33618621

 

Then there's Africa, diamonds, mines, slaves, and countless other resources were pilfered by the British.

 

And let's not forget the Caribbean, Jamaica has already demanded billions in reparations.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/30/should-britain-government-reparations-slavery

 

Very wise of the UK leftists to support these demands for reparations, I'm sure the UK can afford it easily. After all, would be racist not to pay.

 

 

 

[Kadilo]

12 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Morally, not legally .

If she has issues with how the money was obtained , she morally shouldnt accept it .

 Nah the ends justify the means, she can keep it. 
 

Hopefully she will go on to get her degree and educate many others 

Edited June 10, 2020 by Kadilo

[Denim]

15 hours ago, hotandsticky said:

I totally disagree with you and think that you have completely missed the point.

 

I don't think so. The point can be made without using the skulls of the victims. If one of those skulls were a mother or wife of mine I would not want it used this way.

 

The terrible things that happened at Toul Sleng also occurred in my lifetime and I had read many books on the subject before going to Cambodia. I felt no need to gaze upon the victims remains to satisfy the veracity of the reports I had read.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 10, 2020 by Denim