Biden says military would help oust Trump if he loses election but refuses to leave

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Didn't read it. Heard it from a government spokesperson on the radio. Don't ask me for a link.

She didn't say masks are not useful, she said that someone wearing one was MORE LIKELY to infect themselves from fiddling around with a mask with fingers contaminated with the virus from surfaces they had been touching. Given no one wears goggles that makes sense to me

 

I said before that I was no longer responding to this deflection on this thread so that's really the last time.

Right....

 

You heard it somewhere from someone, but you can't remember where or who, but it confirms what you want to believe, so....

 

As credible as every "heard in a bar" story.

Edited July 1, 2020 by heybruce

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

uncovered no evidence to support claims of widespread voter fraud,

does not mean no voter fraud. Is it your contention that voter fraud is OK as long as not "widespread"?

 

Anyway, this is nothing to do with the OP so that's my last on this deflection.

You want to disenfranchise voters because you think there might be a problem?

 

Well if that's fair game, let's not let anyone who has a residence in more than one state vote until they have proven that they are only registered to vote in one location.  There is evidence of a small number of people voting in more than one state https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2019/12/27/iowa-double-voting-election-fraud-2018-midterms-secretary-of-state-misconduct-felony-paul-pate-state/2756753001/  and high level muckety mucks registered to vote in more than one state   https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/us/politics/trump-cabinet-family-voter-registration.html .

 

Granted I've presented no proof that this is a big problem, but the potential is there.   And granted this will be an inconvenience for wealthy people who have multiple residences, but not an insurmountable problem.  Certainly not as great an inconvenience as getting a copy of a birth certificate from a time that predates computer records, or proof that one's mother changed her children's names following a divorce to explain why the name on the birth certificate doesn't match the name of the person registering to vote.

 

You really open the floodgates when you decide you want to enact laws to prevent the possibility of a crime.

 

 

[Morch]

On 6/30/2020 at 4:14 AM, heybruce said:

After every argument for voter ID has been discredited, you circle back to the original discredited argument.

 

There are no election security problems that voter ID's will solve.  Prove that wrong.

 

But we get it; you love big, all-controlling government.  You love unnecessary rules and bureaucracy.  You won't abandon that love.

 

I don't the poster actually loves big government. More like pro-anything-that-currently-fits-Trump's-position. If Trump was to announce voter ID pointless, and masks a must, then the tunes on here will change as well. There's no ideology involved.

[metisdead]

A post using an offensive "cult follower" troll comment has been removed.  Continue to use that term in reference to Trump supporters and a warning will be coming.

[johnpetersen]

I think the gist of this article - namely that the military would help out Trump - might be a moot point. Republicans are beginning to suspect that Trump might drop out of the race given that his polling numbers are so poor and getting poorer. In Texas polls show it's a virtual tie. Same in Missouri. Don't think Trump has much appetite for the electoral humiliation that seems to be coming.

Rough polling stretch has GOP operatives asking: Could Trump drop out?

 

"A stretch of lackluster polling for President Trump has some Republican operatives nervous about the president’s reelection prospects in November – with some even floating the possibility for the first time that Trump could drop out if his poll numbers don’t rebound.

“It’s too early, but if the polls continue to worsen, you can see a scenario where he drops out,” one GOP operative who asked to remain anonymous told Fox News."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-polls-republican-gop-operatives-possible-drop-out

[Crazy Alex]

12 hours ago, samran said:

Everything is a trade off. 
 

Seems like you are happy with using ID to stamp out a small problem with the consequence of a much larger level of voting disenfranchisement - usually of poorer people. 

Ah, another one who thinks poor (mostly black) people are too dumb to get an ID.

[Crazy Alex]

On 6/29/2020 at 10:21 PM, heybruce said:

When do you plan to provide a credible risk of election fraud? 

 

Something based on evidence, not your imagination.

I've presented many links to various types of election fraud. Here is yet another for you to deny or try to disqualify.

 

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/oakland-county/2020/06/12/southfield-clerk-go-trial-six-felony-charges/5346760002/

[johnpetersen]

40 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

I've presented many links to various types of election fraud. Here is yet another for you to deny or try to disqualify.

 

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/oakland-county/2020/06/12/southfield-clerk-go-trial-six-felony-charges/5346760002/

You've tried this one on before. What does it have to do with voter ID? In fact, as the article explicitly notes, no fraudulent ballots even featured in this case.

[johnpetersen]

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

 

Well yes, many countries require voter ID. I'm not sure why so many people are shocked by this.

And I don't recall calling any inanimate object evil. That is a very strange declaration you have made.

And most of those countries issue compulsory national identity cards that every adult citizen must have. You want that for the USA?

[Crazy Alex]

2 hours ago, johnpetersen said:

You've tried this one on before. What does it have to do with voter ID? In fact, as the article explicitly notes, no fraudulent ballots even featured in this case.

You should read the post I responded to. He mentioned "election fraud" specifically. I was simply giving him what he wanted. Nice try.

[Crazy Alex]

2 hours ago, johnpetersen said:

And most of those countries issue compulsory national identity cards that every adult citizen must have. You want that for the USA?

Nice try with a move of the goal post. Rejected. States already have IDs. Even black people are able to get them. Contrary to what the party of the KKK, slavery and Jim Crow thinks, black people are equal and smart enough to get ID cards.
 

 

 

[Crazy Alex]

2 hours ago, johnpetersen said:

You've tried this one on before. What does it have to do with voter ID? In fact, as the article explicitly notes, no fraudulent ballots even featured in this case.

As stated previously, I was responding to a post that mentioned "election fraud". But here, you wanted voter fraud, here it is. And it's in conjunction with vote by mail.

 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/elliebufkin/2020/06/30/four-men-charged-with-voter-fraud-in-new-jersey-n2571445

Edited July 1, 2020 by Crazy Alex

[Susco]

4 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

As stated previously, I was responding to a post that mentioned "election fraud". But here, you wanted voter fraud, here it is. And it's in conjunction with vote by mail.

 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/elliebufkin/2020/06/30/four-men-charged-with-voter-fraud-in-new-jersey-n2571445

Yeah, the whole election will most likely hang on 4 people committing voter fraud.

 

There is by the way another case of voter fraud, of which the criminal hasn't been charged yet, probably because he is President of the United States.

 

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/donald-trump-felony-voter-fraud-florida.html

 

[Crazy Alex]

1 minute ago, Susco said:

Yeah, the whole election will most likely hang on 4 people committing voter fraud.

 

Wow, who made such a claim?

[johnpetersen]

9 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

As stated previously, I was responding to a post that mentioned "election fraud". But here, you wanted voter fraud, here it is. And it's in conjunction with vote by mail.

 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/elliebufkin/2020/06/30/four-men-charged-with-voter-fraud-in-new-jersey-n2571445

I asked for voter ID fraud. You know, the in-person kind that you claim needs a photo ID.

[johnpetersen]

18 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

As stated previously, I was responding to a post that mentioned "election fraud". But here, you wanted voter fraud, here it is. And it's in conjunction with vote by mail.

 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/elliebufkin/2020/06/30/four-men-charged-with-voter-fraud-in-new-jersey-n2571445

This was a rinky dink municipal election and the fraud was detected. And it's still got nothing to do with the necessity of having an official Picture ID for in-person voting.

Edited July 1, 2020 by johnpetersen

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Nice try with a move of the goal post. Rejected. States already have IDs. Even black people are able to get them. Contrary to what the party of the KKK, slavery and Jim Crow thinks, black people are equal and smart enough to get ID cards.

Really?  Which states have mandatory state ID's?

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Ah, another one who thinks poor (mostly black) people are too dumb to get an ID.

No, but it clearly seems you think so.

[Crazy Alex]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

Really?  Which states have mandatory state ID's?

Please read the post again. You seem to have misunderstood what I posted. You may need to also read the post I replied in order to spot your error.

[Crazy Alex]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

No, but it clearly seems you think so.

No, you're wrong. Unlike the Democrat party, with its long history of racism, I think black people are equal and just as competent as any other race.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

No, you're wrong. Unlike the Democrat party, with its long history of racism, I think black people are equal and just as competent as any other race.

"Unlike the Democrat party..."  Explain what policies from the last fifty years the Democrat Party has had that are racist.

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Nice try with a move of the goal post. Rejected. States already have IDs. Even black people are able to get them. Contrary to what the party of the KKK, slavery and Jim Crow thinks, black people are equal and smart enough to get ID cards.
 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

Please read the post again. You seem to have misunderstood what I posted. You may need to also read the post I replied in order to spot your error.

I provided your post I replied to.  Now allow me to explain your error:  States issue drivers licenses that are frequently accepted as IDs.  However these are not the same as state ID's, and certainly not the same as mandatory government issued IDs. 

 

In some states a drivers license is not acceptable as a voter ID unless proof of citizenship was presented at the time the license was issued, allowing a section of the license to indicate it is acceptable as a voter ID.  The required proof of citizenship is difficult for some people to obtain, effectively disenfranchising them.

 

As has been explained repeatedly, there is no evidence of voter fraud that justifies this disenfranchisement.  Yet you support it anyway.

 

Do you also support requiring people with residences in more than one state to prove they have registered to vote in only one state?  They could easily commit voter fraud, and I'm not aware of any mechanism in place to catch them.

[Crazy Alex]

40 minutes ago, heybruce said:

 

I provided your post I replied to.  Now allow me to explain your error:  States issue drivers licenses that are frequently accepted as IDs.  However these are not the same as state ID's, and certainly not the same as mandatory government issued IDs. 

 

In some states a drivers license is not acceptable as a voter ID unless proof of citizenship was presented at the time the license was issued, allowing a section of the license to indicate it is acceptable as a voter ID.  The required proof of citizenship is difficult for some people to obtain, effectively disenfranchising them.

 

As has been explained repeatedly, there is no evidence of voter fraud that justifies this disenfranchisement.  Yet you support it anyway.

 

Do you also support requiring people with residences in more than one state to prove they have registered to vote in only one state?  They could easily commit voter fraud, and I'm not aware of any mechanism in place to catch them.

I'm not sure why you think that rant about IDs is relevant. Very strange.

[thaibeachlovers]

23 hours ago, samran said:

Everything is a trade off. 
 

Seems like you are happy with using ID to stamp out a small problem with the consequence of a much larger level of voting disenfranchisement - usually of poorer people. 

One does not mean the other except in some people's minds.

[thaibeachlovers]

58 minutes ago, heybruce said:

The required proof of citizenship is difficult for some people to obtain, effectively disenfranchising them.

If people can't prove they are a citizen they have more important things to worry about than voting rights.

Generally if people can't prove they are a citizen they probably aren't.

[Crazy Alex]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

One does not mean the other except in some people's minds.

Argentina, Brazil, Canda, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, India, Israel, Italy, Mexico, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden and probably many other countries require ID to vote. For some reason, many people aren't concerned about voters in these countries being disenfranchised. Very strange.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

Argentina, Brazil, Canda, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, India, Israel, Italy, Mexico, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden and probably many other countries require ID to vote. For some reason, many people aren't concerned about voters in these countries being disenfranchised. Very strange.

You're correct, I don't care about voter requirements in other countries.  Just as you don't care that other countries have elections on public holidays and many make voting a legal requirement, resulting in much higher voter turn-out.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

Here you go. Oh and look, it's about your nominee Joe Biden. You may have heard of him. He said Barack Obama is the first black man to be bright, clean and articulate.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/joe-biden-didn-t-just-compromise-segregationists-he-fought-their-n1021626

You think compromising to get legislation passed is racist?  And people wonder why there's a divide in this country.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

I'm not sure why you think that rant about IDs is relevant. Very strange.

I see.  You can't defend your claim about state IDs so now you claim it is irrelevant.

 

What is that phrase you use?  Something like "I accept your surrender on the issue."?

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Rats. I forgot I wasn't going to extend this deflection.

In other words, you can't deny that voter ID laws unfairly disenfranchise U.S. citizens and have no evidence of the election fraud the laws are supposed to prevent.