Record spikes in new coronavirus cases, hospitalizations sweep parts of U.S.

[J Town]

18 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

How exactly did the DNC manage that? What Macchiavellian plans did they devise? The evidence shows that once it looked like Bernie almost had a lock on the nomination, Democrats weighed who had a better chance to beat Trump: Sanders or Biden? They chose Biden. And the evidence also shows that Republicans were disappointed in that choice. They were longing to mix it up with the "socialist" Sanders.

It's been a while, I need to save this so I don't have to retype again and again. Heavy sigh . . .

I was one of the original litigants to the 2016 DNC lawsuit about screwing Bernie in the primaries. The DNC's PRIMARY DEFENSE was they are NOT a government entity, they are more like a bridge club. As such, they make their own rules and choose whoever they want. Do some digging for details, they're there. If you think it's a democratic process - well, the red pill or the blue pill. One keeps you blissfully ignorant, the other exposes the corruption.

[ChouDoufu]

22 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

How exactly did the DNC manage that? What Macchiavellian plans did they devise? The evidence shows that once it looked like Bernie almost had a lock on the nomination, Democrats weighed who had a better chance to beat Trump: Sanders or Biden? They chose Biden. And the evidence also shows that Republicans were disappointed in that choice. They were longing to mix it up with the "socialist" Sanders.

 

are you forgetting the DNC would change the rules almost weekly to ensure the chosen one was chosen?

[earlinclaifornia]

1 hour ago, johnpetersen said:

Actually, I think the drinking glass episode was even worse. He couldn't raise a glass of water to his mouth with his right arm. He needed his left arm's assist to get it all the way up. In November he had an unscheduled medical exam. The White House claimed it was routine. Sure, an unscheduled, yet routine examination. That makes sense  He did get a full exam in June. But they didn't release the details that are usually released when the results are announced.

Maybe he had a mini-stroke in November?

I too agree he has had a stroke and is keeping it from everybody. The thing is I expect him starting up the election rally will become more of  a serious health issue. That won't be possible to hide either. Seriously the clip of him raising the cup and then having the left hand assist the lift. Two hands necessary to drink a cup of water has to be a HUGE concern. 

[J Town]

1 minute ago, earlinclaifornia said:

I too agree he has had a stroke and is keeping it from everybody. The thing is I expect him starting up the election rally will become more of  a serious health issue. That won't be possible to hide either. Seriously the clip of him raising the cup and then having the left hand assist the lift. Two hands necessary to drink a cup of water has to be a HUGE concern. 

I can't WAIT to see how Fox and his supporters spin the cup of water thing. Maybe that's the way stable geniuses drink?

[earlinclaifornia]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

He will pick a great VP.. 

For the VP slot right now I'm thinking Baldwin, helping to have a mid-western duo. I also like Bottoms helping Georgia flip. 

[johnpetersen]

18 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

are you forgetting the DNC would change the rules almost weekly to ensure the chosen one was chosen?

Really? Got some evidence to back that up? The fact is Biden overwhelmingly won in the popular democratic vote. Where Sanders tended to perform best was in caucuses, which are a much less democratic form of selection than primaries.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/was-the-democratic-primary-a-close-call-or-a-landslide/

Edited June 16, 2020 by johnpetersen

[ChouDoufu]

2 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

Really? Got some evidence to back that up? The fact is Biden overwhelmingly won in the popular democratic vote. Where Sanders tended to perform best was in caucuses, which are a much less democratic form of selection than primaries.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/was-the-democratic-primary-a-close-call-or-a-landslide/

you could start by looking into the many changes made to the debate rules to include or exclude certain candidates.  remove those most able to harm biden's chances while including or adding those that cut into sander's support certainly takes the democracy out of democratic.

[J Town]

Just now, johnpetersen said:

Really? Got some evidence to back that up? The fact is Biden overwhelmingly won in the popular democratic vote. Where Sanders tended to perform best was in caucuses, which are a much less democratic form of selection than primaries.

Bernie drew crowds in the tens of thousands. Biden drew them in the dozens, most of them blue hairs.

 

BTW, this is my original letter from the attorney in the DNC lawsuit, name and signature obscured, that most people never heard of. I've been following this garbage for years, and one of the few things Trump has been right about - the system IS rigged.

[J Town]

11 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

Really? Got some evidence to back that up? The fact is Biden overwhelmingly won in the popular democratic vote. Where Sanders tended to perform best was in caucuses, which are a much less democratic form of selection than primaries.

And something most people tend to ignore - the Dems and Reps are essentially equal in numbers and vote strictly by party line. It's the INDEPENDENTS that need to be convinced, need to be excited into getting off their couches and go to the voting booths. Biden is getting a resounding "meh" from Independents, Bernie was the candidate that piqued their interest.

[johnpetersen]

12 minutes ago, J Town said:

And something most people tend to ignore - the Dems and Reps are essentially equal in numbers and vote strictly by party line. It's the INDEPENDENTS that need to be convinced, need to be excited into getting off their couches and go to the voting booths. Biden is getting a resounding "meh" from Independents, Bernie was the candidate that piqued their interest.

A new poll from President Donald Trump's formerly favourite television news network, Fox News, provides a sobering glimpse at the president's popularity in the middle of the coronavirus pandemic and a bleak outlook for his re-election chances in the November general election.

The poll, conducted between May 17 and 20 and released on Thursday, suggests that Trump's support among two critical groups of voters - independents and older voters - has cratered in recent weeks.

Self-described independents say they support the presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden, by 13 percentage points over the incumbent Trump, and voters over the age of 65 support Biden by 17 points.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/fox-poll-paints-bleak-picture-trump-electoral-hopes-200522150544665.html

You don't need enthusiastic support for Biden when there's so much enthusiastic support for voting Trump out.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, J Town said:

I can't WAIT to see how Fox and his supporters spin the cup of water thing. Maybe that's the way stable geniuses drink?

No spin. Just ignore it. 

 

I actually don't think the water or the ramp would normally be big stories. 

 

We had the late great FDR before who was seriously disabled. 

 

But it is made much more important by the fact that attacking Biden's age and vigor had been a key part of the 45 attack plan. 

 

So there will be no credibility to 45's cries of fake news and victimhood on this. 

He basically asked for it. 

 

Also don't forget the one and only reason there was even a public West Point graduation in the first place in this Covid year was that 45 ordered it for campaign strong man propaganda purposes. 

 

A delicious backfire!

 

Too bad the cadets had to be his pawns. 

Edited June 16, 2020 by Jingthing

[J Town]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

No spin. Just ignore it. 

I believe it. Just like that member I backed into a corner to the point he started calling me a troll (I'm STILL waiting for a response to the question I posed to him and I'm guessing he's gonna take the Ignore route on that one as well).

[Jingthing]

57 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

For the VP slot right now I'm thinking Baldwin, helping to have a mid-western duo. I also like Bottoms helping Georgia flip. 

Possibly. 

I like Bottoms. 

As long as we're predicting how about the favored Harris who really does convey presidential gravitas or an electoral play for Florida in Demings. 

 

Pretty obviously Abrams is out. 

[J Town]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Possibly. 

I like Bottoms. 

As long as we're predicting how about the favored Harris who really does convey presidential gravitas or an electoral play for Florida in Demings. 

 

Pretty obviously Abrams is out. 

Abrams doesn't have that "thing," that star quality. I knew someone who was in a room when Bill Clinton walked in and he said everybody just KNEW when the president at the time entered. He had an electric charisma that was tangible. Abrams - not so much.

[johnpetersen]

1 hour ago, J Town said:

And something most people tend to ignore - the Dems and Reps are essentially equal in numbers and vote strictly by party line. It's the INDEPENDENTS that need to be convinced, need to be excited into getting off their couches and go to the voting booths. Biden is getting a resounding "meh" from Independents, Bernie was the candidate that piqued their interest.

 

As for Independents: most so called independents aren't genuinely independent. They're either Republican leaning or Democratic leaning.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/15/facts-about-us-political-independents/

 

Edited June 16, 2020 by johnpetersen

[teatime101]

On 6/15/2020 at 7:45 AM, Mama Noodle said:

massive gatherings democrat states

It's the Trump supporting areas that have been hardest hit - for obvious reasons. Zero social distancing since day one. Many (not all) protestors have been wearing masks.

 

That's 'some masks' vs 'no masks'. Which do you think will lead to the greater spike in cases?

 

[johnpetersen]

3 minutes ago, teatime101 said:

It's the Trump supporting areas that have been hardest hit - for obvious reasons. Zero social distancing since day one. Many (not all) protestors have been wearing masks.

 

That's 'some masks' vs 'no masks'. Which do you think will lead to the greater spike in cases?

 

Well, the effects of the BLM protests have yet to be felt. The results can't be good. In some areas most demonstrators were wearing mask. In others not. The latest research increasingly shows that masks are crucial to putting covid29 cases into shrinking. Much more powerful than social distancing.

[johnpetersen]

1 minute ago, J Town said:

Big picture, people who sit at home decide elections in a negative way. Trump's people come out with a vengeance, Biden is not a very inspirational candidate and I fear for a repeat of 2016.

 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/registered-voters-who-stayed-home-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/

As 2018 showed, Trump is a very inspirational candidate for both the left and right. It's just that he inspires them differently.

[johnpetersen]

3 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

Well, the effects of the BLM protests have yet to be felt. The results can't be good. In some areas most demonstrators were wearing mask. In others not. The latest research increasingly shows that masks are crucial to putting covid29 cases into shrinking. Much more powerful than social distancing.

And by the way, Bernie in 2020 did not inspire an improved turnout of the youth vote. He didn't do as well as he did in 2016. And Biden won more working class democratic votes than did Sanders

Edited June 16, 2020 by johnpetersen

[Jingthing]

10 minutes ago, teatime101 said:

It's the Trump supporting areas that have been hardest hit - for obvious reasons. Zero social distancing since day one. Many (not all) protestors have been wearing masks.

 

That's 'some masks' vs 'no masks'. Which do you think will lead to the greater spike in cases?

 

Also outdoors is much lower risk. 

[J Town]

5 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

As 2018 showed, Trump is a very inspirational candidate for both the left and right. It's just that he inspires them differently.

By the way, THIS is the way adult discourse goes. We have some differing opinions, and we share our ideas in considerate fashion. I've started putting rude people on my "ignore" list and information is now flowing quite nicely.

[DrTuner]

It seems getting to herd immunity will take 1-1.5 years. See you in 2022, US.

[J Town]

Just now, Berkshire said:

You're right, Trump is inspirational...both for and against.  Trump's base is still largely the same.  But people who normally wouldn't come out will come out and vote against Trump because they don't want another 4 years of corrupt and incompetent leadership.

To my CORE I hope you're right!

[J Town]

28 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

Plenty of countries do get there via private insurance companies.

This is the whole problem with US health care. We need to REMOVE the private insurance companies. And this is the problem with ACA.

[bkk6060]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

I like Bottoms. 

Oh yes, me too.

[steelepulse]

I wonder why all the states that have their covid numbers going down are pushed to the bottom of any news headlines..............

 

Minnesota, the original protest state, showing lowest numbers since April 29th.  There are also a lot of other states where cases and hospitalizations are going down.  It would be nice to get balanced reporting and not fear mongering in the headlines.

 

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/here-is-minnesotas-covid-19-update-for-monday-june-15

[J Town]

3 minutes ago, steelepulse said:

I wonder why all the states that have their covid numbers going down are pushed to the bottom of any news headlines..............

 

Minnesota, the original protest state, showing lowest numbers since April 29th.  There are also a lot of other states where cases and hospitalizations are going down.  It would be nice to get balanced reporting and not fear mongering in the headlines.

 

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/here-is-minnesotas-covid-19-update-for-monday-june-15

If it bleeds, it leads.

[johnpetersen]

6 minutes ago, steelepulse said:

I wonder why all the states that have their covid numbers going down are pushed to the bottom of any news headlines..............

 

Minnesota, the original protest state, showing lowest numbers since April 29th.  There are also a lot of other states where cases and hospitalizations are going down.  It would be nice to get balanced reporting and not fear mongering in the headlines.

 

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/here-is-minnesotas-covid-19-update-for-monday-june-15

There are states that are going down. The most dramatic declines are in states in the northeast where enforcement of lockdowns has been a lot stricter. If you omit those states from the data, the situation actually looks a lot worse. Those states that have been laxest in enforcement and sooner to lift restrictions make up the preponderance of the rise in hospitalizations.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html

Edited June 16, 2020 by johnpetersen

[J Town]

1 minute ago, johnpetersen said:

There are states that are going down. The most dramatic declines are in states in the northeast where enforcement of lockdowns has been a lot stricter. If you omit those states from the data, the situation actually looks a lot worse. Those states that have been laxest in enforcement and sooner to lift restrictions make up the preponderance of the rise in hospitalizations.

For instance like Oklahoma?

[johnpetersen]

2 minutes ago, J Town said:

For instance like Oklahoma?

Like Oklahoma although others are far worse.

https://kfor.com/health/coronavirus/osdh-covid-19-hospitalizations-increase-in-oklahoma/

Arizona for example.

I prefer to use, when available, hospitalization figures. That way, the increase in the rate of testing is irrelevant.