WHO's Kluge warns against further lifting of lockdown in England: Guardian

[puck2]

4 hours ago, misterjames said:

 

These wu mao guys make me laugh one line dismissals without any explanation or reasoning as to why they disagree?Are you really trying to deny the links that the WHO has with the CCP and the fact that the WHO told the rest of the world to keep their borders open (under the orders of the CCP) while Beijing closed it's borders and continued to let half a million people fly out of Wuhan on international flights? because that would be laughable.

 

Answer me this then guys why would China and the CCP actively campaign to keep airports open then allow half a million people to fly out of Wuhan knowing they were delivering a deadly highly contagious disease to the rest of the world (while closing domestic travel) if it were not to weaken western economies? 

 

China has the WHO in it's pocket and has used this virus to it's full advantage and you know it! 

 

 

Dear Bluespunk, you are fighting  2 members with a low knowledge of the facts, but with big mouth. Ridiculous also their deflecting from the main subject: lifting of the (covid-)lockdown in England.

 

Now to some facts. Yes, the Covid-19 had its origin in Wuhan, China. After China informed the world (a little bit too late at the end of 2019) the foreigners wished to leave their now dangerous working place in Wuhan/China. Wuhan closed it borders completely. Fellow countrymen and foreigners were not allowed to go in to avoid that they got infected and spreading the virus.

 

But at the same time Wuhan supported the foreigners leaving the dangerous virus-area. The Chinese allowed governments of foreign countries to fly their compatriots back to their homes. There they have been checked and controlled, if they had been infected by the virus; at least in Germany. Therefore it was in the best interest of the foreigners, unwilligly confirmed by "misterjames":

It is a fact that China campaigned to the WHO to keep airports open letting people from Wuhan fly internationally but not domestically.

 

 

Edited June 15, 2020 by puck2

[misterjames]

32 minutes ago, puck2 said:

 

It is a fact that China campaigned to the WHO to keep airports open letting people from Wuhan fly internationally but not domestically.

 

This is true but the rest of your post is CCP state media nonsense at best ???? 

 

By the way the main subject is the world health organisation (which has a very dubious relationship with the CCP) warning UK not to ease lockdown from the dirty disease that they have spread around the world while lying to everyone about it.

 

It's too late for you CCP shills anyway the shops re-opened today in uk.

 

Nobody trusts anything the world health organisation or the CCP says anymore their reputations are ruined permanently. 

 

Edited June 15, 2020 by misterjames

[candide]

55 minutes ago, misterjames said:

You absolute numpty how many times am I going to have to ask you to explain why they let planes fly to the west while locking down all travel within China?

 

It suggests they wanted it to escape doesn't it? or are you going to ignore and deny that too?

 

Bottom line: there is more factual evidence to suggest they did want it to escape than they didn't.

 

 

Come on, your conspiracy theory is ridiculous.

 

As mentioned by Puck2, international flights from Wuhan were flights organised by foreign embassies to repatriate expats, tourists and students.

 

Anyway, you not only did not bring any fact to back your claim, but you conspiracy theory doesn't even make any sense. The situation of the export-oriented Chinese economy was quite good pre-covid-19. They were quietly progressing on their way towards economic dominance.

 

Due to the high level of internationalisation of the Chinese economy, its economic situation is dependent on the economic situation of other countries. It is absolutely not in the interest of China to trigger an economic crisis among its customers and suppliers. 

[misterjames]

19 minutes ago, candide said:

As mentioned by Puck2, international flights from Wuhan were flights organised by foreign embassies to repatriate expats, tourists and students.

Rubbish they let half a million Chinese nationals fly out of Wuhan. 

 

 

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The situation of the export-oriented Chinese economy was quite good pre-covid-19. They were quietly progressing on their way towards economic dominance.

It started to suffer when they created this mess so they decided we all had to suffer.

 

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Due to the high level of internationalisation of the Chinese economy, its economic situation is dependent on the economic situation of other countries. It is absolutely not in the interest of China to trigger an economic crisis among its customers and suppliers. 

Yep that's short sighted isn't it? nobody will want to do business with these thugs soon they will get what's coming to them one way or another that's for sure.

 

Edited June 15, 2020 by misterjames

[candide]

1 hour ago, misterjames said:

Rubbish they let half a million Chinese nationals fly out of Wuhan. 

 

 

It started to suffer when they created this mess so they decided we all had to suffer.

 

Yep that's short sighted isn't it? nobody will want to do business with these thugs soon they will get what's coming to them one way or another that's for sure.

 

About your comment # 1: From Wuhan, really? During which period of time, exactly?What is your source?

 

About comments 2 and 3: There is absolutely no reason for the Chinese to make their customers poorer. It's complete nonsense!

 

The picture (no source given). Do I understand well? The US applied travel restrictions in February, and still 60% of inbound travellers were Chinese? How is it possible?

[yuyiinthesky]

1 hour ago, candide said:

Due to the high level of internationalisation of the Chinese economy, its economic situation is dependent on the economic situation of other countries. It is absolutely not in the interest of China to trigger an economic crisis among its customers and suppliers.

 

You obviously have never read the book "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu. 

[yuyiinthesky]

6 minutes ago, candide said:

About your comment # 1: From Wuhan, really? During which period of time, exactly?What is your source?

That was quite clearly all over the news in January. 

[candide]

3 minutes ago, misterjames said:

Yep it actually says what period of time etc in the screenshot but they have strange eyesight when what is being posted proves them wrong.

 

It's got to the point where I realise if I reply these clowns I am becoming part of the circus anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see they have no clue about the subject matter. 

You are lying. There is nothing on the screenshot. You are just trolling again with your ridiculous conspiracy theory.

[yuyiinthesky]

9 minutes ago, candide said:

About comments 2 and 3: There is absolutely no reason for the Chinese to make their customers poorer. It's complete nonsense!

If you would read some of the Chinese propaganda spread by "China Daily", you might find that the target is not maximizing the profits of Chinese companies quickly, but the target is to change the world order from USA domination to China domination. 

The poorer their customers are, the cheaper they can buy their assets. When Greece was ruined, China could take over important ports there. Belt and roads allover the globe.

Did you know that China bought most of the textile industry in Northern Italy, and there were 30000 Chinese workers. Yes right there where the Italien Covid-19 drama happened. 

You can't understand China if your thinking is stuck in Western short term financial quarter results. 

[candide]

16 minutes ago, yuyiinthesky said:

Irrelevant, this is not about me applying what the book teaches, but about Mr Xi and the CCP applying it. 
 

Please explain us how the ridiculous conspiracy theory follows the Sun Zu's precepts. I'm in for a good laugh!

[candide]

1 hour ago, yuyiinthesky said:

If you would read some of the Chinese propaganda spread by "China Daily", you might find that the target is not maximizing the profits of Chinese companies quickly, but the target is to change the world order from USA domination to China domination. 

The poorer their customers are, the cheaper they can buy their assets. When Greece was ruined, China could take over important ports there. Belt and roads allover the globe.

Did you know that China bought most of the textile industry in Northern Italy, and there were 30000 Chinese workers. Yes right there where the Italien Covid-19 drama happened. 

You can't understand China if your thinking is stuck in Western short term financial quarter results. 

While I may agree on the concepts, I disagree with the analysis. The Chinese can play the long game because they are not prisoners of the financialisation of their economy, as you rightly mention.

So they don't need a ridiculous conspiracy, as they will make it anyway. As confirmed by your example. They didn't need covid-19 to take over the textile industry in Italy.

Frankly, I don't think that they need to trigger a crisis just for that. They need to spare all their energy for the next strategic event (Taiwan).

 

Edited June 15, 2020 by candide

[misterjames]

21 minutes ago, candide said:

The Chinese can play the long game because they are not prisoners of the financialisation of their economy, as you rightly mention.

 

Also financialisation is not a word it is nonsense along with everything else you write ????

[candide]

1 minute ago, misterjames said:

Also financialisation is not a word it is nonsense along with everything else you write ????

Me stupid! I thought I could trust the Cambridge Journal of Economics! ????

 

Financialisation and the new capitalism?

Cambridge Journal of Economics, Volume 43, Issue 4, July 2019

https://academic.oup.com/cje/article-abstract/43/4/799/5538923?redirectedFrom=fulltext

 

Please remind us in which schoolyard....?

[yuyiinthesky]

2 hours ago, candide said:

While I may agree on the concepts, I disagree with the analysis. The Chinese can play the long game because they are not prisoners of the financialisation of their economy, as you rightly mention.

So they don't need a ridiculous conspiracy, as they will make it anyway. As confirmed by your example. They didn't need covid-19 to take over the textile industry in Italy.

Frankly, I don't think that they need to trigger a crisis just for that. They need to spare all their energy for the next strategic event (Taiwan).

 

I don’t know if and don’t say that China / the CCP did create SARS-CoV-2 and Covid-19 to advance their game (although I would be not very surprised if they did).
 

However there are welcome benefits for China coming from the pandemic:

- the Western world is busy destroying its economies, taking away time, attention, energy and resources to push back China’s aggressive actions in Hong Kong and the South China Sea. Atrocities such as the concentration camps with millions of Uighurs are no headlines anymore, nobody seems to care anymore.

 

- new markets for new products, such as lousy masks Made in China, available everywhere very very quickly, a bestseller!

 

- with the economic decline in the Western world assets and industries there are getting much much cheaper. The longer the lockdowns last, the cheaper they get, and the more China gets for their money. On the long run this far outweighs the cost of the Chinese Covid 19 patients and victims.

 

So now is the time for China to act, and the CCP knows it very well. Who is still there to stop them? 
 

Of course the UK could stop the lockdowns, get back to work, and taking up its responsibilities again. But then again, there is no Churchill in sight, so it most likely will not happen.

Edited June 15, 2020 by yuyiinthesky

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[candide]

10 hours ago, yuyiinthesky said:

I don’t know if and don’t say that China / the CCP did create SARS-CoV-2 and Covid-19 to advance their game (although I would be not very surprised if they did).
 

However there are welcome benefits for China coming from the pandemic:

- the Western world is busy destroying its economies, taking away time, attention, energy and resources to push back China’s aggressive actions in Hong Kong and the South China Sea. Atrocities such as the concentration camps with millions of Uighurs are no headlines anymore, nobody seems to care anymore.

 

- new markets for new products, such as lousy masks Made in China, available everywhere very very quickly, a bestseller!

 

- with the economic decline in the Western world assets and industries there are getting much much cheaper. The longer the lockdowns last, the cheaper they get, and the more China gets for their money. On the long run this far outweighs the cost of the Chinese Covid 19 patients and victims.

 

So now is the time for China to act, and the CCP knows it very well. Who is still there to stop them? 
 

Of course the UK could stop the lockdowns, get back to work, and taking up its responsibilities again. But then again, there is no Churchill in sight, so it most likely will not happen.

(1) You don't say it, but it was the topic under discussion. ????

(2) You are right that they are taking advantage of it. However, they would have done it anyway, one day or another. International pressures usually don't have more than a cosmetic impact on Chinese policy.

(3) New markets: for the time being

(4) It may help them, but it may just accelerate what will happen anyway. On top of it, public opinion is more negative about China. Large and/or strategic acquisitions may be rejected

 

On the other hand, there are big drawbacks for China:

- reduced growth due to internal and external factors. -6.8% for Q1. It is expected they will grow around 2-3% this year, so a GDP loss of around $400-600 billion(nominal). As figures are likely to be doctored, it's probably more acute than that. It could also be worse in case of a second wave.

- awareness of the necessity of strategic (national or regional) sourcing by western countries. It will likely extend beyond medical supplies.

 

So I come to the opposite conclusion: it is in the interest of China that other countries restart their economy so that the Chinese can do more business again.

[RobFord]

22 hours ago, misterjames said:

Says he's not avoiding the question then avoids it ???? 

 

Sorry misterjames. Ferguson jumped on some articles coming out of Africa and the Middle East that have since been debunked. 
 

The records show that flights out of Wuhan to the rest of the world stopped around mid-day on January 23, the same day China stopped flights from Wuhan to the rest of China.

 

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1186627.shtml

 

Made a good storey ( as all conspiracy theories do ) though.