Jetskiers, ATVs...are there any rules?

[moontang]

I just spent five days at HH, and lots of time on the beach.  I find the jetskiers and ATV riders to be obnoxious and dangerous.  The amphibious ATV are about the worst, as they come into the beach at any moment.  Has this been discussed before?  

[AndyAndyAndy]

What you want to discuss. That's how it is in Thailand. If you don't like it, go home. Or stay and whine and complain. You will fit right in this forum. ????

[moontang]

4 minutes ago, AndyAndyAndy said:

What you want to discuss. That's how it is in Thailand. If you don't like it, go home. Or stay and whine and complain. You will fit right in this forum. ????

No need to discuss that they are loud, contaminate the air and water, and are a safety risk, or the people riding them seem to have big truck or loud motorbike syndrome..that is too obvious.  Just wonder if there is ever any police enforcement out there, and at what point will they start limiting them.  It was fairly bad over the weekend..I can't imagine how terrible it will be when the tour busses return.  Stupidity is never acceptable, even in Thailand, even though we are forced to witness it.

[PatOngo]

Jetskiers, ATVs...are there any rules?

Yes, Rule #1, There are no rules........... Give them a wide berth!

 

 

Edited June 16, 2020 by PatOngo

[Lee4Life]

On 6/16/2020 at 11:40 AM, AndyAndyAndy said:

What you want to discuss. That's how it is in Thailand. If you don't like it, go home. Or stay and whine and complain. You will fit right in this forum. ????

Ahhh....one of the "if you don't like it go home" posters. I have come to loath that reply. Do you yourself like absolutely everything in Thailand? If not then why are you still here? People bring up good points, so what if they are complaining...take your own advice and deal with it.

[AndyAndyAndy]

1 hour ago, Lee4Life said:

Ahhh....one of the "if you don't like it go home" posters. I have come to loath that reply. Do you yourself like absolutely everything in Thailand? If not then why are you still here? People bring up good points, so what if they are complaining...take your own advice and deal with it.

Ahhh...one of these people who wants to turn Thailand into his home country. Everything what is different has to be changed. Without realizing, that he is here because of these differences. 

 

Also people don't like when muslims etc are coming into their countries and wants to bring with them their laws and change their country. But at the same time these people are coming into Thailand and want to change Thailand. Not realizing that they are doing the same.

[moontang]

7 minutes ago, AndyAndyAndy said:

Ahhh...one of these people who wants to turn Thailand into his home country. Everything what is different has to be changed. Without realizing, that he is here because of these differences. 

 

Also people don't like when muslims etc are coming into their countries and wants to bring with them their laws and change their country. But at the same time these people are coming into Thailand and want to change Thailand. Not realizing that they are doing the same.

Thais didn't invent jet skis (or anything else), but they are accommodating to the bad behaviors that came with them, about thirty years later than Mexico.  

Edited June 23, 2020 by moontang

[AndyAndyAndy]

1 minute ago, moontang said:

Thais didn't invent jet skis (or anything else), but they are accommodating to the bad behaviors that came with them, about thirty years later than Mexico.  

One of the perks of Thailand is, that is lawless state. You can drive without driving licence and pay 200 baht fine. You can get caught speeding every single day and pay 200 Baht fine. ... ... ... In your home country all these things would you land in a jail, would lead to lose of driving licence etc etc etc. But here you are free to enjoy all of these things.

 

You can't be enjoining these perks and at the same time be pointing finger on somebody who is driving and ATV on the beach. He is enjoying them too.

 

You are here because it's better here than your home country. So don't try to change it into your home country.

[mikeyjj]

No point coming on here crying about it walk down the beach and let the Thais that rent the jet skis know how you feel ! I

[moontang]

39 minutes ago, mikeyjj said:

No point coming on here crying about it walk down the beach and let the Thais that rent the jet skis know how you feel ! I

I am writing a letter to Marriott International, at their HQ, informing them of the dangers, and I believe if someone from the US was severely injured, they would be able to sue them in the US, where the payouts could be 1000 times more...and even more with someone, like myself, coming forward with proof that they were made aware of the situation.  All I am asking is that they don't ang!e across the swimming areas of ride too close to the shores..wouldn't cost them a dime.  Do a little math, and it is pretty easy to see that one rental area has a negative impact on a billion dollars worth of real estate..Like a lot of things, it is just a matter of time before someone important's child is a victim of vehicular homicide, and then there will be a crackdown.  History tells us that these beach gangs are usually well connected locally, but the reality is one phone call or visit from BKK and the whole thing is finished.  

Edited June 23, 2020 by moontang

[Darksidedude]

rule #1 dont go anywhere near them

[moontang]

5 minutes ago, Darksidedude said:

rule #1 dont go anywhere near them

well that is just goddamn brilliant, what government department did you work in?  or were you a teacher?  but what if you are one of the people, who knows how to swim, and goes out in the gulf and one of these retards comes at you at 30-40 mph?

[moontang]

1 hour ago, AndyAndyAndy said:

One of the perks of Thailand is, that is lawless state. You can drive without driving licence and pay 200 baht fine. You can get caught speeding every single day and pay 200 Baht fine. ... ... ... In your home country all these things would you land in a jail, would lead to lose of driving licence etc etc etc. But here you are free to enjoy all of these things.

 

You can't be enjoining these perks and at the same time be pointing finger on somebody who is driving and ATV on the beach. He is enjoying them too.

 

You are here because it's better here than your home country. So don't try to change it into your home country.

Great point, but why did DLT recently introduce a point/demerit system similar to those used in the West?  Why did they issue 7500 traffic citations in the first four hours use of their traffic cameras?  Why are there cameras at every major intersection in the country?  Seems a lot more like big brother than lawlessness.  Maybe they are tired of cleaning up the body parts.

[drbeach]

2 hours ago, AndyAndyAndy said:

Ahhh...one of these people who wants to turn Thailand into his home country. Everything what is different has to be changed. Without realizing, that he is here because of these differences. 

 

Also people don't like when muslims etc are coming into their countries and wants to bring with them their laws and change their country. But at the same time these people are coming into Thailand and want to change Thailand. Not realizing that they are doing the same.

Ridiculous reply. There are many good things about Thailand, but commenting on the selfish, anti-social behaviors of some Thais (only a small minority, but still) who ruin things for everyone else, like motorcycle racers risking everyone's lives and noisy jetski users, or motorists who can't drive, or people who light fires oblivious to the adverse health impacts they may create is NOT trying to change society or the culture. It's common sense, really. You are conflating trying to install, western, liberal values into the populace with being rightfully upset about anti-social behaviors. That's a totally different thing and mostly done by western NGOs.

 

If, and I repeat IF Thailand's culture were defined by these behaviors, then I think it wouldn't be unwarranted to say, that's a pretty lowlife culture. Fortunately, that is NOT the case, because many Thais themselves, are fed up with these selfish, low IQ behaviors. The problem is Thais have had a "sabai sabai" mentality for a long time, and the current corona crisis may be the first time in their lives most people have been forced to do things they don't want, with draconian penalties for non-compliance.

 

I think it's a wake-up call for many, and while change isn't going to happen overnight on all fronts, I strongly suspect that in years to come, some of the old selfish habits will largely have been forced out of Thais; at least the dangerous and irresponsible ones that could affect others.

[moontang]

14 minutes ago, drbeach said:

Ridiculous reply. There are many good things about Thailand, but commenting on the selfish, anti-social behaviors of some Thais (only a small minority, but still) who ruin things for everyone else, like motorcycle racers risking everyone's lives and noisy jetski users, or motorists who can't drive, or people who light fires oblivious to the adverse health impacts they may create is NOT trying to change society or the culture. It's common sense, really. You are conflating trying to install, western, liberal values into the populace with being rightfully upset about anti-social behaviors. That's a totally different thing and mostly done by western NGOs.

 

If, and I repeat IF Thailand's culture were defined by these behaviors, then I think it wouldn't be unwarranted to say, that's a pretty lowlife culture. Fortunately, that is NOT the case, because many Thais themselves, are fed up with these selfish, low IQ behaviors. The problem is Thais have had a "sabai sabai" mentality for a long time, and the current corona crisis may be the first time in their lives most people have been forced to do things they don't want, with draconian penalties for non-compliance.

 

I think it's a wake-up call for many, and while change isn't going to happen overnight on all fronts, I strongly suspect that in years to come, some of the old selfish habits will largely have been forced out of Thais; at least the dangerous and irresponsible ones that could affect others.

Kind of like being habitually late, and calling it "Thai culcha," Well being late does happen frequently, with the rains, traffic, etc.., but I dare you to walk in a courtroom even five minutes late, and face the judge, or try paying a bank debt at 15:02...that two or five minutes could cost you plenty.  You're not going to catch me in a temple, but I certainly would welcome more Buddhist values, which we only hear about during discussions on banning alcohol.  What about honesty and respect for living things?  How honest is not paying for your child or other obligations?  How respectful of living things is it to drive 80 kmph on a narrow soi, wearing a GRAB jacket?  How does having rats on your premises show respect for anything?

Edited June 23, 2020 by moontang

[Lee4Life]

4 hours ago, AndyAndyAndy said:

Ahhh...one of these people who wants to turn Thailand into his home country. Everything what is different has to be changed. Without realizing, that he is here because of these differences. 

 

Also people don't like when muslims etc are coming into their countries and wants to bring with them their laws and change their country. But at the same time these people are coming into Thailand and want to change Thailand. Not realizing that they are doing the same.

 People can bring up points that concern them without wanting to change Thailand into their own country. And what do Muslims have to do with anything? How many people are killed every year here because of a lack of common sense as far as safety goes?  And if people complain about this your idea is to tell them to go home if they don't like it? 

       If you feel a great sense of freedom here because of the lack of laws or lack of enforcement, then great for you, but the fact is that not everyone feels that way, and by this person voicing their concern someone else may be able to avoid death or injury.

                

[moontang]

10 minutes ago, Lee4Life said:

 People can bring up points that concern them without wanting to change Thailand into their own country. And what do Muslims have to do with anything? How many people are killed every year here because of a lack of common sense as far as safety goes?  And if people complain about this your idea is to tell them to go home if they don't like it? 

       If you feel a great sense of freedom here because of the lack of laws or lack of enforcement, then great for you, but the fact is that not everyone feels that way, and by this person voicing their concern someone else may be able to avoid death or injury.

                

Correct, and I have nothing to gain by raising the issue, except the satisfaction that I did something to prevent senseless injuries or deaths.  Do not own anything there, and just don't have any skin in that game.

[Shot]

4 hours ago, moontang said:

I am writing a letter to Marriott International, at their HQ, informing them of the dangers, and I believe if someone from the US was severely injured, they would be able to sue them in the US, where the payouts could be 1000 times more...and even more with someone, like myself, coming forward with proof that they were made aware of the situation.  All I am asking is that they don't ang!e across the swimming areas of ride too close to the shores..wouldn't cost them a dime.  Do a little math, and it is pretty easy to see that one rental area has a negative impact on a billion dollars worth of real estate..Like a lot of things, it is just a matter of time before someone important's child is a victim of vehicular homicide, and then there will be a crackdown.  History tells us that these beach gangs are usually well connected locally, but the reality is one phone call or visit from BKK and the whole thing is finished.  

Tread lightly and don't do anything that can lead back to you. These guys don't mess around, and you don't want to end up fish food. 

Edited June 23, 2020 by Shot

[moontang]

3 minutes ago, Shot said:

Tread lightly and don't do anything that can lead back to you. These guys don't mess around, and you don't want to end up fish food. 

Save it..that is why I will contact Marriott at their HQ, instead of getting lip service from a monkey in a polyester suit.

[Shot]

Easy there Sparky, just trying to help.

[watso63]

Whine, whine, whine, yawn????????????

[moontang]

11 minutes ago, Shot said:

Easy there Sparky, just trying to help.

I hear you private Pyle..the police raided a casino right up the street..turned out to be owned by...the police..lots of dodgy people, most a lot scarier than the carnies renting jetskis.

[samsensam]

 

calm down, relax... go find another beach, or better still go find something more interesting to do, the beaches in thailand are, frankly, awful. my sister emigrated to australia and i have a friend in the caribbean, now they have beaches!

[moontang]

10 minutes ago, samsensam said:

 

calm down, relax... go find another beach, or better still go find something more interesting to do, the beaches in thailand are, frankly, awful. my sister emigrated to australia and i have a friend in the caribbean, now they have beaches!

Agreed, it is a miracle to find a good swimming pool.  My beach trips have been quite limited here.  It is almost like I need to go once or twice per year to remind myself why I don't live near a tourist resort..they ruined most of CM, and they don't even have a beach.

[alacrity]

6 hours ago, moontang said:

Kind of like being habitually late, and calling it "Thai culcha," Well being late does happen frequently, with the rains, traffic, etc.., but I dare you to walk in a courtroom even five minutes late, and face the judge, or try paying a bank debt at 15:02...that two or five minutes could cost you plenty.  You're not going to catch me in a temple, but I certainly would welcome more Buddhist values, which we only hear about during discussions on banning alcohol.  What about honesty and respect for living things?  How honest is not paying for your child or other obligations?  How respectful of living things is it to drive 80 kmph on a narrow soi, wearing a GRAB jacket?  How does having rats on your premises show respect for anything?

OMG, she's having a go at the rats now. Where is it going to end?

Bet it's not at the virus wreaking havoc on the world.

[watthong]

10 hours ago, AndyAndyAndy said:

10 hours ago, moontang said:

Thais didn't invent jet skis (or anything else), but they are accommodating to the bad behaviors that came with them, about thirty years later than Mexico.  

One of the perks of Thailand is, that is lawless state. You can drive without driving licence and pay 200 baht fine. You can get caught speeding every single day and pay 200 Baht fine. ... ... ... In your home country all these things would you land in a jail, would lead to lose of driving licence etc etc etc. But here you are free to enjoy all of these things.

 

You can't be enjoining these perks and at the same time be pointing finger on somebody who is driving and ATV on the beach. He is enjoying them too.

 

You are here because it's better here than your home country. So don't try to change it into your home country.

What planet are you from? Thailand is NOT a lawless state. You can commit a crime and get away with it, by hook or by crook, still that doesn't mean the laws of the land don't exist. Cultural difference doesn't warrant lawlessness. And whether they are effective or not, Thais make a big deal about law compliance. Just take the mask wearing order as a recent example. I can say WITHOUT showing statistics that the majority of farangs did not come here because lawlessness deemed acceptable, as it were, just as I can say the majority of folks are not criminals in most parts of the world. However some certainly do come here with the erroneous perception that "one of the perks of Thailand is, that is lawless state." To me lawlessness is not a "perk" and I certainly do not "enjoy" it. Different kettles of fish, shall we say. However we all show up here on this forum, for better AND for worse.

[Tony125]

9 hours ago, moontang said:

I am writing a letter to Marriott International, at their HQ, informing them of the dangers, and I believe if someone from the US was severely injured, they would be able to sue them in the US, where the payouts could be 1000 times more...and even more with someone, like myself, coming forward with proof that they were made aware of the situation.  All I am asking is that they don't ang!e across the swimming areas of ride too close to the shores..wouldn't cost them a dime.  Do a little math, and it is pretty easy to see that one rental area has a negative impact on a billion dollars worth of real estate..Like a lot of things, it is just a matter of time before someone important's child is a victim of vehicular homicide, and then there will be a crackdown.  History tells us that these beach gangs are usually well connected locally, but the reality is one phone call or visit from BKK and the whole thing is finished.  

Your going to write a letter, lets see  how that works out for you. (especially since you have to identify yourself in the complaint) You saw what happened to a Thai activist who complained about  Thai laws the Government ,ect. He ran to Cambodia for safety.  Disapered and know one  has  a clue what happened , hope your comlaint is worth it to you.

[tifino]

22 minutes ago, Tony125 said:

10 hours ago, moontang said:

I am writing a letter to Marriott International, at their HQ, informing them of the dangers, and I believe if someone from the US was severely injured, they would be able to sue them in the US, where the payouts could be 1000 times more...and even more with someone, like myself, coming forward with proof that they were made aware of the situation.  All I am asking is that they don't ang!e across the swimming areas of ride too close to the shores..wouldn't cost them a dime.  Do a little math, and it is pretty easy to see that one rental area has a negative impact on a billion dollars worth of real estate..Like a lot of things, it is just a matter of time before someone important's child is a victim of vehicular homicide, and then there will be a crackdown.  History tells us that these beach gangs are usually well connected locally, but the reality is one phone call or visit from BKK and the whole thing is finished.  

Your going to write a letter, lets see  how that works out for you. (especially since you have to identify yourself in the complaint) You saw what happened to a Thai activist who complained about  Thai laws the Government ,ect. He ran to Cambodia for safety.  Disapered and know one  has  a clue what happened , hope your comlaint is worth it to you.

yes but @moontang is obviously saying of writing 'to' them - not 'about' them

 - big difference! 

 

once they've been 'written to'

- then in a westerners eyes; they (the * company) would be then 'condoning' the Activity, thereby becoming Complicit if something subsequently happened to some innocent victim of their inactions

Edited June 23, 2020 by tifino

[moontang]

5 hours ago, tifino said:

yes but @moontang is obviously saying of writing 'to' them - not 'about' them

 - big difference! 

 

once they've been 'written to'

- then in a westerners eyes; they (the * company) would be then 'condoning' the Activity, thereby becoming Complicit if something subsequently happened to some innocent victim of their inactions

Correct, there is no complaint.  And I will actually be near their HQ and the companies birthplace in the Fall.  Just a common sense reminder, on something they have likely dealt with on at least six continents.  One part of the situation is the water is so shallow there, you need to go moderately far out to stay wet and out of the blazing sun.  I lived very close to the Colorado River, which is jetski haven.  But it got so bad, the cops had a floating precinct, where they could completely process BUI.  2600 USD was the cost to take the court required boater safety course.  Many of the arrested were jetskiers.  

[daveAustin]

On 6/16/2020 at 5:40 AM, AndyAndyAndy said:

What you want to discuss. That's how it is in Thailand. If you don't like it, go home. Or stay and whine and complain. You will fit right in this forum. ????

Indeed though that's how TV makes (made) its fortunes. The throw away 'go home' is somewhat a boorish TV old-timer nugget, though you's a newbie boy by the looks. Unless... 

 

Op, don't sweat the small stuff... or

 

... go home.