EU chief executive: no post-Brexit deal without 'level playing field'

[Nigel Garvie]

8 hours ago, nauseus said:

Bad governments?

English exceptionalism at it's most laughable, or were you attempting humour, tongue in check maybe? 

 

All of the former colonies really want to return to mummykins, it is just their bad governments that are stopping them. ???????????? The ordinary people are desperate to to be ruled by English toffs again, never mind the centuries of colonial brutality, all in the past now ...what what chaps!

 

Once again as in my earlier post I will try to drag things back to topic.

Level playing field- why would the UK gov. want one if the Brexiteer's lords and masters can make big bucks by exploiting the working class again.

 

That's what they voted for, shot themselves in the crown jewels there.

[Nigel Garvie]

9 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Ok, let's look at the countries top of the list of migration to the UK:

 

Poland, India, Pakistan, Romania, Ireland, Germany, Italy, South Africa, Bangladesh, China. No sign of Sahel countries there. Plenty of former British colonies though. So I think Kingdong's question was a valid one. 

Try reading it again, pay attention to the word "Currently", that should help. 

 

"Plenty" is really just Indian subcontinent. South Africa was Dutch till we put them in concentration camps.

[Bruntoid]

15 hours ago, vogie said:

An insult is not an answer, it is something the liberal left use when they are stuck for a reply.

Wow is every brexiteer a liberal left then ? 
 

How are the trade deals going ? 

[david555]

7 minutes ago, vogie said:

The problem we have here thomach is that you are giving reasons why the UK should remain whilst ignoring the reasons why we want to leave, they are both completely different, in 4 years you or your contemporaries have failed to acknowledge our reasons for leaving.

As for the other 27 countries in the bloc, many are borderline cases in respect to leaving and the biggest worry the EU may have is that the UK does do well outside your bloc they too may want to leave as well. When we joined this operation little did we realise what we were joining and I just wonder how many other countries felt the same. It was supposed to be for making trading with one another easier not this huge federal state it has morphed into. The EU doesn't like to have its power challenged as shown by the mocking of our PM at the time Mrs May, laughing behind her back, making snide remarks about her and the citizens of our country that defied the EU and voted to leave. She may have been a useless PM, but she was still our PM, secret recordings of Barnier and the likes of Tusks making derogative remarks about the UK, it didn't help the bonding of ourselves and the EU and we are still getting the snide remarks on here from mainly the Germans, Belgiums and the Dutch, why they feel the need to insult someone who has a different opinion to themselves is quite remarkable and only makes the need to leave the EU only greater.

 

 

The U.K. 52% found their reasons ....

So be it ..done case ...

 

Now just stop trying to get the same benefits that you had and get on with your 3th country status .

 

Your reasons to leave has worked ..but

It seems no other  of the 27 has reasons to leave ....

 

Reality is kicking in very soon , hence the suspending tarifs for 6 months from U.K. side ....hoping E.U. would so too .....

Is that not a saving face hidden solution from "the great leader Boris  "..?? ????

 

[vogie]

18 minutes ago, Bruntoid said:

Wow is every brexiteer a liberal left then ? 
 

How are the trade deals going ? 

[Bruntoid]

21 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

So nobody knows if the UK will do better or not. I don't and I am certain that you and your supporters do either.

 

Whoa there - don’t tar everyone with your brush of ignorance though it’s a startling admission that you voted for something where you had zero idea of the outcome! Or own goal? Stuff the youth what do they matter. 
 

It is clear Brexiteers don’t have the first idea how post brexit will pan out but hey let’s take the 6th largest economy into a casino and put it all on black and hope for the best  - god knows they’ve been asked to provide even basic level stats to prop up their utopian vision but always resort to generalistic jingoistic frequently racist nonsense based on nothing at all! 
 

But to allay your fears 99.9%+ of the world economists know how the U.K. will do, the markets know how it will do, the pound sinking every time Boris mentions the word  brexit tells you how it will do. All coincidence ? Could it actually be possible that some of the worlds best brains could all be wrong to various extents and Sun readers knew all along ? 
 

The stats for the fishing are known,  the potential US trade deal (0.16% added to GDP is known, millions of pounds of software/data modelling is known, and next to none of it supports Brexit. Even Dom admits GDP will shrink but these people are all rich, ego is more important than cash when you never have to worry about the bills! What Brexiteers are too.... challenged..... to understand is after they have taken you down with them, they will retire to the west wing of their family estates and you’ll be turning off another bar on that electric fire! 

 

So give us some stats not the usual non sensical baloney - include a reply with unbias figures that supports walking away and antagonising your largest trading partner (word of caution don’t mention the bus !!) so we can get some flesh on the brexiteer bones. Oh and try to make any figures NET not gross, that should prevent you getting shot down in flames! I would genuinely like to debate intelligent stuff with thought provoking  stats rather than the one line <deleted> thrown out by the usual suspects on here who are convinced they’re funny! 
 

The stage is yours .........

[Nigel Garvie]

47 minutes ago, vogie said:

 

You're correct, and so is Hestletine, but you see everyone has known that for months, it's not news, unless you feel yah, boo, sucks is a sophisticated debating point. Pity really, your previous post was coherently argued and moderate in tone.

 

The current issue is exactly how damaging is this going to be for the UK economy, and the answer is deal ...bloody awful, and no deal catastrophic. My opinion here is irrelevant, it is the opinion of a huge number of qualified economists, the vast majority in fact. 

You could of course search the net for the oddball that disagrees with them, or quote from the Tit and Bum man's Daily Express, but everyone has to face reality. 

 

I will,  when I change my increasingly worthless pound into Bhat in the future.

[vogie]

12 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

You're correct, and so is Hestletine, but you see everyone has known that for months, it's not news, unless you feel yah, boo, sucks is a sophisticated debating point. Pity really, your previous post was coherently argued and moderate in tone.

 

The current issue is exactly how damaging is this going to be for the UK economy, and the answer is deal ...bloody awful, and no deal catastrophic. My opinion here is irrelevant, it is the opinion of a huge number of qualified economists, the vast majority in fact. 

You could of course search the net for the oddball that disagrees with them, or quote from the Tit and Bum man's Daily Express, but everyone has to face reality. 

 

I will,  when I change my increasingly worthless pound into Bhat in the future.

Patronising posts and in some cases very insulting posts do not necessary want a poster to engage in dialogue with the poster that cannot resist a snide remark, most of these posts do eminate from the people that cannot accept the democratic result of our referendum. If you treat people how they treat you, you will not go far in life, it is time to grow up and for some posters to stop these annoying insults, it serves no purpose, infact many posters will not respond to a derogative post and why should they.

Somebody yesterday disagreed with my post and instead of debating it, his cop out was to accuse me of being uneducated, do you think such posts should be ignored?

[david555]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

Patronising posts and in some cases very insulting posts do not necessary want a poster to engage in dialogue with the poster that cannot resist a snide remark, most of these posts do eminate from the people that cannot accept the democratic result of our referendum. If you treat people how they treat you, you will not go far in life, it is time to grow up and for some posters to stop these annoying insults, it serves no purpose, infact many posters will not respond to a derogative post and why should they.

Somebody yesterday disagreed with my post and instead of debating it, his cop out was to accuse me of being uneducated, do you think such posts should be ignored?

Could also be they are lost in counter arguments finally and hence don't reply anymore, as now very close is "the awakening "  from Brexit with a no deal called WTO rules 

 

BTW  the start of Brexit was full of snide remarks from Brexiteers  (no harm done for me , can handle them ..) as introducing a PM herself  as being a very difficult lady , and having their cake and eat it ….lol 

But anyway not a very smart approach for a start from a negotiation ….and yes ...the end is near...

 

It was a brexiteers choice …., democratic by their standards  … so swallow it

 

[vogie]

6 minutes ago, david555 said:

Could also be they are lost in counter arguments finally and hence don't reply anymore, as now very close is "the awakening "  from Brexit with a no deal called WTO rules 

 

BTW  the start of Brexit was full of snide remarks from Brexiteers  (no harm done for me , can handle them ..) as introducing a PM herself  as being a very difficult lady , and having their cake and eat it ….lol 

But anyway not a very smart approach for a start from a negotiation ….and yes ...the end is near...

 

It was a brexiteers choice …., democratic by their standards  … so swallow it

 

Anyway David there is one for sure, the snide remarks from the EU has suddenly ceased since Boris got his 80 seat majority, what a year he's had eh, as promised took us out of the EU, traunced all other political parties, survived the corona virus and it is his birthday today, I'm sure you'll join with all of us in wishing him a very happy birthday.????

[david555]

16 minutes ago, vogie said:

Anyway David there is one for sure, the snide remarks from the EU has suddenly ceased since Boris got his 80 seat majority, what a year he's had eh, as promised took us out of the EU, traunced all other political parties, survived the corona virus and it is his birthday today, I'm sure you'll join with all of us in wishing him a very happy birthday.????

As I said before his 80 seats overwhelming majority made it that he can act as a would be dictator ….. but it has not an effect in the E.U. as he already found out by trying tunneling the negotiations to head of states each , Macron made it clear , only negotiation with the block not individuals ,and Germany send out the message to prepare for a no deal preparation even when it costs them the most, and not accepting any deal at any cost .

The message from E.U. is clear  80 seats counts  only in U.K. parliament 

 

And of course he can have a happy birthday wish , why not …. may aging bring wisdom , and maybe stops the persistent lying  ???? more called " U turns "

Edited June 20, 2020 by david555

[nauseus]

11 hours ago, david555 said:

can you give me a tip , as this was send by my mobile and yes I don't have a spellchecker on that one , never found one who check instant , only manual way and that is to much time consuming .

So that's the trick you use....good find ! 5555

I can't help you with a comprehension checker, however.

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

English exceptionalism at it's most laughable, or were you attempting humour, tongue in check maybe? 

 

All of the former colonies really want to return to mummykins, it is just their bad governments that are stopping them. ???????????? The ordinary people are desperate to to be ruled by English toffs again, never mind the centuries of colonial brutality, all in the past now ...what what chaps!

 

Once again as in my earlier post I will try to drag things back to topic.

Level playing field- why would the UK gov. want one if the Brexiteer's lords and masters can make big bucks by exploiting the working class again.

 

That's what they voted for, shot themselves in the crown jewels there.

Quite a mouthful. Certainly not what I said though.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, david555 said:

Could also be they are lost in counter arguments finally and hence don't reply anymore, as now very close is "the awakening "  from Brexit with a no deal called WTO rules 

 

BTW  the start of Brexit was full of snide remarks from Brexiteers  (no harm done for me , can handle them ..) as introducing a PM herself  as being a very difficult lady , and having their cake and eat it ….lol 

But anyway not a very smart approach for a start from a negotiation ….and yes ...the end is near...

 

It was a brexiteers choice …., democratic by their standards  … so swallow it

 

Yum.

[nauseus]

52 minutes ago, david555 said:

As I said before his 80 seats overwhelming majority made it that he can act as a would be dictator ….. but it has not an effect in the E.U. as he already found out by trying tunneling the negotiations to head of states each , Macron made it clear , only negotiation with the block not individuals ,and Germany send out the message to prepare for a no deal preparation even when it costs them the most, and not accepting any deal at any cost .

The message from E.U. is clear  80 seats counts  only in U.K. parliament 

 

And of course he can have a happy birthday wish , why not …. may aging bring wisdom , and maybe stops the persistent lying  ???? more called " U turns "

Macron has to be seen to say only negotiate with the block not individuals. Even though the block is run by only two individuals. Well, one and a half really.

[david555]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

Macron has to be seen to say only negotiate with the block not individuals. Even though the block is run by only two individuals. Well, one and a half really.

"Well, one and a half really."

 

Even then the mighty England can not have his/her cake ….???? oh what a descent from history ….

[Pattaya46]

1 hour ago, david555 said:

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Anyway David there is one for sure, the snide remarks from the EU has suddenly ceased since Boris got his 80 seat majority, //

As I said before his 80 seats overwhelming majority made it that he can act as a would be dictator ….. but it has not an effect in the E.U. //

The message from E.U. is clear  80 seats counts  only in U.K. parliament

I was about to reply to @vogie on how UK internal politic has few effect on EU for Brexit,

but @david555already said it far better than I could do. 

[david555]

Waw , another Brexit tread …. Corona tread is loosing importance.... Brexit forever wins  … ????

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1169177-french-minister-cannot-exclude-no-deal-brexit-but-thats-not-in-uk-interest/

 

[nauseus]

Here's Ursula and Michele's version of their level playing field:

 

 

[Rimmer]

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[Nigel Garvie]

6 hours ago, vogie said:

Patronising posts and in some cases very insulting posts do not necessary want a poster to engage in dialogue with the poster that cannot resist a snide remark, most of these posts do eminate from the people that cannot accept the democratic result of our referendum. If you treat people how they treat you, you will not go far in life, it is time to grow up and for some posters to stop these annoying insults, it serves no purpose, infact many posters will not respond to a derogative post and why should they.

Somebody yesterday disagreed with my post and instead of debating it, his cop out was to accuse me of being uneducated, do you think such posts should be ignored?

I neither know nor care what your education is, and I wouldn't comment on it myself. I try very hard to dispute the message not attack the messenger. If the message is stupid I say so, that does not mean that the messenger is stupid. (The excellent book "The intelligence trap" ... why intelligent people do stupid things is worth reading)  I don't do patronising, I mean what I say, however "Time to grow up" sounds highly patronising to me ......granddad! 

My comment about the Daily Express stands, it is owned (At a distance now I believe) by Desmond the owner of the Daily and Sunday Sport  -  say no more. Many Brexiteers have quoted from it though possibly not you. I was not suggesting that you are a T & B man, it was a general comment on information sources.

 

Do you think you could produce a post without using the word democracy in it - for a change, you appear to think that if you lose one vote you no longer have the right to carry on fighting for what you believe in . One day the young will dump the Brexit that will very negatively effect their lives and freedoms, and this old men's trip back to the dark ages will be over, that will be Democracy also,  just like the famous repeal of the corn laws.

Edited June 20, 2020 by Nigel Garvie

[kingdong]

8 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

English exceptionalism at it's most laughable, or were you attempting humour, tongue in check maybe? 

 

All of the former colonies really want to return to mummykins, it is just their bad governments that are stopping them. ???????????? The ordinary people are desperate to to be ruled by English toffs again, never mind the centuries of colonial brutality, all in the past now ...what what chaps!

 

Once again as in my earlier post I will try to drag things back to topic.

Level playing field- why would the UK gov. want one if the Brexiteer's lords and masters can make big bucks by exploiting the working class again.

 

That's what they voted for, shot themselves in the crown jewels there.

Ever been to africa?think you,'ll find the average African is now being terrorised and exploited by the former "heroes of the chimurenga"and would welcome the return to the empire,and if wasn,t subjected to a police state would tell you.freedom is the be all end all to the armchair socialists,pity you can,t eat it.

[vogie]

10 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

I neither know nor care what your education is, and I wouldn't comment on it myself. I try very hard to dispute the message not attack the messenger. If the message is stupid I say so, that does not mean that the messenger is stupid. (The excellent book "The intelligence trap" ... why intelligent people do stupid things is worth reading)  I don't do patronising, I mean what I say, however "Time to grow up" sounds highly patronising to me ......granddad! 

My comment about the Daily Express stands, it is owned (At a distance now I believe) by Desmond the owner of the Daily and Sunday Sport  -  say no more. Many Brexiteers have quoted from it though possibly not you. I was not suggesting that you are a T & B man, it was a general comment on information sources.

 

Do you think you could produce a post without using the word democracy in it - for a change, you appear to think that if you lose one vote you no longer have the right to carry on fighting for what you believe in . One day the young will dump the Brexit that will very negatively effect their lives and freedoms, and this old men's trip back to the dark ages will be over, that will be Democracy also,  just like the famous repeal of the corn laws.

Not interested in your suppositions Nigel.

[Nigel Garvie]

3 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Ever been to africa?think you,'ll find the average African is now being terrorised and exploited by the former "heroes of the chimurenga"and would welcome the return to the empire,and if wasn,t subjected to a police state would tell you.freedom is the be all end all to the armchair socialists,pity you can,t eat it.

First it's "Have you ever been to Thailand" now it's "Have you ever been to Africa" are you running a travel agency!!

 

(Yes I have BTW, North Africa only, I worked driving a tractor on a farm in Morocco in 1967 for a few months, and visited other countries there also.)

[david555]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

Here's Ursula and Michele's version of their level playing field:

 

 

I can appreciate a good joke ….55555..... but …..is this not an English flag on the goal ….no Union jack anymore …

[Crazy Alex]

EU Chief Executive: No Brexit Without Shafting the UK For Daring To Step off the Plantation

 

There, now we have an honest headline.

Edited June 20, 2020 by Crazy Alex

[CG1 Blue]

9 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Try reading it again, pay attention to the word "Currently", that should help. 

 

"Plenty" is really just Indian subcontinent. South Africa was Dutch till we put them in concentration camps.

Why is the word "currently" even relevant? The comment you were replying to talked about people from former British colonies migrating to the UK after they gained independence; saying that if British rule was so bad why move to the UK. Those countries gained their independence long before Brexit. 

[nauseus]

19 minutes ago, david555 said:

I can appreciate a good joke ….55555..... but …..is this not an English flag on the goal ….no Union jack anymore …

Plenty just out of shot to the right, David 555.

[CG1 Blue]

8 hours ago, Bruntoid said:

Whoa there - don’t tar everyone with your brush of ignorance though it’s a startling admission that you voted for something where you had zero idea of the outcome! Or own goal? Stuff the youth what do they matter. 
 

It is clear Brexiteers don’t have the first idea how post brexit will pan out but hey let’s take the 6th largest economy into a casino and put it all on black and hope for the best  - god knows they’ve been asked to provide even basic level stats to prop up their utopian vision but always resort to generalistic jingoistic frequently racist nonsense based on nothing at all! 
 

But to allay your fears 99.9%+ of the world economists know how the U.K. will do, the markets know how it will do, the pound sinking every time Boris mentions the word  brexit tells you how it will do. All coincidence ? Could it actually be possible that some of the worlds best brains could all be wrong to various extents and Sun readers knew all along ? 
 

The stats for the fishing are known,  the potential US trade deal (0.16% added to GDP is known, millions of pounds of software/data modelling is known, and next to none of it supports Brexit. Even Dom admits GDP will shrink but these people are all rich, ego is more important than cash when you never have to worry about the bills! What Brexiteers are too.... challenged..... to understand is after they have taken you down with them, they will retire to the west wing of their family estates and you’ll be turning off another bar on that electric fire! 

 

So give us some stats not the usual non sensical baloney - include a reply with unbias figures that supports walking away and antagonising your largest trading partner (word of caution don’t mention the bus !!) so we can get some flesh on the brexiteer bones. Oh and try to make any figures NET not gross, that should prevent you getting shot down in flames! I would genuinely like to debate intelligent stuff with thought provoking  stats rather than the one line <deleted> thrown out by the usual suspects on here who are convinced they’re funny! 
 

The stage is yours .........

I find it amazing that people still think we voted to leave the EU because we thought it would make us richer. You can talk about GDP and trade deals till you're blue in the face..

We're breaking free from an organisation with corrupt practices, questionable democracy and with federal ambitions. We voted to make our own way in the world and let our elected government make decisions on all matters rather than take diktats from Brussels. 

 

You're wasting your precious time digging up all these dire predictions.   

 

[CG1 Blue]

7 hours ago, david555 said:

As I said before his 80 seats overwhelming majority made it that he can act as a would be dictator

Errr...dictators don't get voted into power by the electorate ????‍♂️