Possible world conflict

[JackThompson]

10 minutes ago, UncleMhee said:

So the abuse, ongoing suffering and obliteration of the Marshalls and their people is just far leftist narrative and ok by you then? Rightio......

In general, he backs communists.  Yes, stopping communism has been done in nasty ways at times - ways I do not approve of - and supporting awful non-communist regimes which are also evil.  Who wants to choose between Pinochet and the Commies?  Not much of a good choice, there.

I haven't watched this latest one on China - was referring to his earlier works.  "Coming war ON China" sounds like China is being portrayed as the "poor victim" of the West - but maybe the documentary covers the CCP's horrible human-rights record, and advocates for toppling the CCP, but by different means - in which case I would stand corrected. 

[herwin1234]

Usa is falling apart, its divided to the bone, and both political sides bet on divesiveness. Trump wrecks the country, the liberals wreck the country, citizens wreck the country. 

 

China in just half a century has transformed from a poor third world country into becoming the second strongest country. China is learning fast and unstoppable. (sorry but no, their successtory is not bc they stole secrets and simply copied stuff from the west.)

 

You might critisize human rights etc, but thats all politics. Trump and the Usa are just politically exploiting the muslim camps in China. Usa has its own human rights issues, eg just keyword "Police Brutallity" at Youtube, police brutality is not rascist, just about anyone from old people, white family people to skater kids can get beaten the <deleted> out of them, for no reason.

 

actually, the usa feels threatened by chinas success and tactic nr one of the usa is to be a bully and try with threats and force tell other countries what to do. China is very smart by refusing to be bullied by the usa but setting its own course.

 

China really is the future, one or two decades away. It would be best to stop demonizing a smart and strong country, and learn to understand respect and work together. China and the Usa are competitors, yes, but not enemies, despite politicians claiming that.

Edited June 26, 2020 by herwin1234

[fredwiggy]

Just now, herwin1234 said:

Usa is falling apart, its divided to the bone, and both political sides bet on divesiveness. Trump wrecks the country, the liberals wreck the country, citizens wreck the country. 

 

China in just half a century has transformed from a poor third world country into becoming the second strongest country. China is learning fast and unstoppable. (sorry but no, their successtory is not bc they stole secrets and simply copied stuff from the west.)

 

You might critisize human rights etc, but thats all politics. Trump and the Usa are just politically exploiting the muslim camps in China. Usa has its own human rights issues, eg just keyword "Police Brutallity" at Youtube, police brutality is not rascist, just about anyone from old people, white family people to skater kids can get beaten the <deleted> out of them, for no reason.

 

China really is the future, one or two decades away. It would be best to stop demonizing a smart and strong country, and learn to understand respect and work together. China and the Usa are competitors, yes, but not enemies, despite politicians claiming that.

It would not be a good idea for China and the US to war for many reasons. Trade between them........U.S. goods and services trade with China totaled an estimated $737.1 billion in 2018. Exports were $179.3 billion; imports were $557.9 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade deficit with China was $378.6 billion in 2018.

[owl sees all]

3 hours ago, UncleMhee said:

So the abuse, ongoing suffering and obliteration of the Marshalls and their people is just far leftist narrative and ok by you then? Rightio......

The USA are not always so quick to help their own citizens out either.

 

Just a couple:

 

USS Liberty;

 

The shameful way some US personnel are being rejected over Agent Orange problems while serving in Thailand.

Edited June 26, 2020 by owl sees all

[owl sees all]

2 hours ago, JackThompson said:

In general, he backs communists.  Yes, stopping communism has been done in nasty ways at times - ways I do not approve of - and supporting awful non-communist regimes which are also evil.  Who wants to choose between Pinochet and the Commies?  Not much of a good choice, there.

I haven't watched this latest one on China - was referring to his earlier works.  "Coming war ON China" sounds like China is being portrayed as the "poor victim" of the West - but maybe the documentary covers the CCP's horrible human-rights record, and advocates for toppling the CCP, but by different means - in which case I would stand corrected. 

John Pilger is not a backer of communists. He is a storyteller and truth-seeker.

 

"The coming war on China" is not new. First aired 4 years ago. Now being shown on Aljazeera this month.

 

Human right records are suspect the world over. Not keen on Pilger? Try 'Soldier Blue'.

[simon43]

Who wants to choose between Pinochet and the Commies?  Not much of a good choice, there.

 

The best decision that I ever made was to relocate to live in communist Laos.  Friendly officials, friendly police,  no interference in my work, and no interference or suspicions in my radio transmitters, (I'm a radio ham).

 

IMHO, countries like the USA and UK are drowning in a cesspool of political correctness and the democratic right to 'screw up' the country by opposing anything that you don't agree with.  Ah well, if that's democracy, you're welcome to it.....

[owl sees all]

20 minutes ago, simon43 said:

 

 

 

The best decision that I ever made was to relocate to live in communist Laos.  Friendly officials, friendly police,  no interference in my work, and no interference or suspicions in my radio transmitters, (I'm a radio ham).

 

IMHO, countries like the USA and UK are drowning in a cesspool of political correctness and the democratic right to 'screw up' the country by opposing anything that you don't agree with.  Ah well, if that's democracy, you're welcome to it.....

Over the years I've been to Laos over twenty times; and not just to get a visa.

 

I've never had any problems that couldn't be sorted out with a smile. No hassle from the police and always a smiling official.

 

I think recently in the UK (my country of birth), a couple of things I've found difficult to deal with:

 

The Julian Assange case. Why is he in Bellmarsh, if not to kill him?

 

The lady judge from NZ that was looking into pedophilia among the elites. Resigned! Why? Because MI5 would not release 'delicate' info on some high ranking people.

[englishoak]

13 hours ago, JackThompson said:

Pilger did some good presentations on regime-change operations by the CIA, but he is a far-leftist. 

 

I find it puzzling how many who documented abuses of the West - both from a right and left perspective - somehow take the brutal, kleptocratic CCP's side, now.  The hypocrisy makes me question all they said before.

Pilger is an excellent reporter, done some fantastic work but like many his speciality has been mainly focused on the atrocities of the powerful west and consequently has a blind side and fails to acknowledge any regime/nation as it grows in power makes poor decisions, engages in propaganda and generally lies, abuses and manipulates its own population along with others more and more as it grows... things can always be worse, something else Pilger I think often fails to realise.  

 

There is no good guy nor governments in the realm of the big players, ( laos globally is irrelevant  ) there is no fantastic system nor utopia...over time only power matters to any system. All are flawed, Communism is immediately deadly to its own people,  Capitalism is easily corruptible, Liberalism is ridiculously self destructive and Democracy is an illusion of choice, Dictatorship, religious or not is usually a nightmare and Monarchistic cannot be discussed. A true republic works the best of all but is not perfect by any means and also erodes and is corrupted over time. Democide is histories greatest killer and all powerful nations are guilty of that, none more so than China throughout its history.

 

I do know one thing, a people dosnt become kind or enlightened by being starved, beaten, and indoctrinated to hate or be scared of others. for the past century or so China has been unable to create anything original but steals everything else the world does create then pretends its home grown. If anything it has the worst parts of every system ever thought of.This is not a power to look upto or imitate. 

 

Modern China was born out of communism, corrupted even before it became capitalistic, does not entertain the illusion of democracy and literally installed a dictator that is nothing more than an uneducated mafia family head. This man is not a smart man education wise, only politically astute and a survivor. To him and the CCP the Chinese people are really nothing but animals and means to more power/ wealth.. thats all 

 

If anyone thinks this Chinese model of mass surveillance, control of thought, speech and intolerance about anything critical of its regime is going to improve the world they are sadly mistaken.

 

Edited June 26, 2020 by englishoak