UK ready to quit EU on 'Australia terms' if no Brexit deal, Johnson says

[Logosone]

50 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

 

No deal is perfectly acceptable to me......

 

 

..... ONLY if a deal cannot be struck by the negotiating parties. 

 

A pragmatic view then. But there are those on the extreme far right spectrum who actually prefer a "no-deal" outcome. Purely because they literally want to stand alone, have nothing to do with the EU and just have the divorce from Europe as soon as possible.

 

Regardless of the obvious negative economic consequences for the UK if a no-deal outcome happens.

 

 

[Rookiescot]

24 minutes ago, vogie said:

Barnier only wants a deal if we still dance to his tune, the UK have made it quite clear of how we're leaving. Boris gatecrashed the meeting yesterday and told Barnier he wants it sorted by summer, up to him now.

Meanwhile Jean Claude Juncker has been named as special advisor to the EU advisor Johanne Hahn. The ???????? gravy train goes choo choo choo. ????????????

It was always going to be like this. The EU was never going to capitulate to Brexiteers demands. That was just pure fantasy.

So no deal Brexit is what we have.

Get used to it.

And the tremendous damage its going to do to the UK economy is all the fault of people like Johnson and those who believed him.

[Logosone]

28 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

It was always going to be like this. The EU was never going to capitulate to Brexiteers demands. That was just pure fantasy.

So no deal Brexit is what we have.

Get used to it.

And the tremendous damage its going to do to the UK economy is all the fault of people like Johnson and those who believed him.

Yes, Boris Johnson fantasy of a "golden age" is just an embarassment to him now.

 

The dream of a stand-alone Britain could yet end up to be a nightmare. The cold divorce bill is still being negotiated with Europe. The debt mountain now taken on will be borne by generations to come.

 

What golden age?

Edited July 11, 2020 by Logosone

[nauseus]

7 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Yes there are those still gagging for a no deal, on some strange principle, and Bojo & co, might be excited at the go it alone prospects. As they have already distributed a lot of the "Covid" borrowings to their chums and companies based in tax havens, I expect there are no lengths to which they will not go to bleed the country dry. The fact is that if you combine Covid and Brexit you get an economic disaster of monster proportions.

 

It has been widely implied Dominic Cummings, Bojo's RH man, could be working for Putin. After failed business ventures during his long stay  in Russia he returned with friends and contacts in high places. Can you imagine a KGB Colonel not getting compro on him. Now he is visiting top security UK bases.

On the other hand Seamus Milne, Corbyn's RH man, was only too happy to promote the pro Russia line, also Corbyn himself, and others in his backroom team. 

What a weird co-incidence, maybe we should call it Putin's Brexit. Trump just does what Putin tells him of course, compro again?

No deal Brexit certainly suits Putin, no question about that.

 

It was not widely implied that Cummings might be working for Putin (or more specifically Russia). This story was about a letter from Emily Thornberry to Dominic Raab, which contained only suspicions but not a shred of evidence, of course. The remainer, Thornberry, could not resist a pot shot at the arch Brexiteer, Cummings. Of course, the story leaked out all across the media so that there was widespread coverage, once, in November 2019. There has been nothing since. Not a sniff, not a thing. Complete backfire. More sensationalist claims that disappear in a puff of smoke. Have a great weekend.

[Rookiescot]

12 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

It was not widely implied that Cummings might be working for Putin (or more specifically Russia). This story was about a letter from Emily Thornberry to Dominic Raab, which contained only suspicions but not a shred of evidence, of course. The remainer, Thornberry, could not resist a pot shot at the arch Brexiteer, Cummings. Of course, the story leaked out all across the media so that there was widespread coverage, once, in November 2019. There has been nothing since. Not a sniff, not a thing. Complete backfire. More sensationalist claims that disappear in a puff of smoke. Have a great weekend.

Wonder if his safe drop for stuff he wants to hand over is in Barnard Castle ????

[tomacht8]

For European politicians not negotiable for a long time: “An agreement like that with Canada is not acceptable for Europe. Britain could attract companies with poorer labor rights, lax environmental standards and low taxes under such an agreement. A dumping island with full market access, we will not accept that. ”

 

EU voices therefore give warning voices towards London. The compromise on the exit agreement found in 2019 was more important for the EU-27 than a future free trade agreement. It ensured the rights of EU citizens in Great Britain, an open border in Northern Ireland and the British money to be paid to Brussels.

[Nigel Garvie]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

It was not widely implied that Cummings might be working for Putin (or more specifically Russia). This story was about a letter from Emily Thornberry to Dominic Raab, which contained only suspicions but not a shred of evidence, of course. The remainer, Thornberry, could not resist a pot shot at the arch Brexiteer, Cummings. Of course, the story leaked out all across the media so that there was widespread coverage, once, in November 2019. There has been nothing since. Not a sniff, not a thing. Complete backfire. More sensationalist claims that disappear in a puff of smoke. Have a great weekend.

You have done your research, and although from what I read it was a bit broader than that, you are correct. However what I said was "Widely implied," you said "all across the media so that there was widespread coverage". Same thing really, thank you for confirming what I said. 

 

I am a patriot (Not a Nationalist which is different), and although I support Scottish Independence, I do care about the security of the UK. The idea of an unelected personal adviser, who the majority of the British people no longer trust, touring our secret military bases, is concerning. This though is truly scary:- 

"Recent photographs – showing his security pass has a green band – suggest that he has now been granted “developed vetting” (DV) clearance, allowing him to view top-secret files without supervision." (Indy)

 

Burgess and Maclean anyone?

 

Whatever the degree of his influence, Putin appears to be over the moon about Brexit, if you have heard him actually talk about it in public, and the more harmful to us, the better for him. 

 

And have a good weekend yourself.

 

 

Edited July 11, 2020 by Nigel Garvie

[transam]

4 hours ago, Logosone said:

Yes, Boris Johnson fantasy of a "golden age" is just an embarassment to him now.

 

The dream of a stand-alone Britain could yet end up to be a nightmare. The cold divorce bill is still being negotiated with Europe. The debt mountain now taken on will be borne by generations to come.

 

What golden age?

Another that uses a.............

 

 

How tiresome......................

[Nigel Garvie]

5 hours ago, transam said:

What a load..... more lefty bluster.......Do you not know that other folk actually read that cr_p, good job you're anonymous eh............

There are many people with left wing, or right wing views on TV (And all points in between). Everyone is entitled to their opinions and to debate them here within the rules. 

No left winger minds being called a lefty, and presumably right wingers would be happy to called "Rightys".

However to you describing some person or opinion as being "lefty" appears to be the ultimate insult. Might it be a good idea to make an intelligent reasoned adult critique of another posters views if you disagree with them, and not resort to childish name calling. 

[Nigel Garvie]

3 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Wonder if his safe drop for stuff he wants to hand over is in Barnard Castle ????

Apparently Specsavers are after the new eye test he has developed. ????

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

There are many people with left wing, or right wing views on TV (And all points in between). Everyone is entitled to their opinions and to debate them here within the rules. 

No left winger minds being called a lefty, and presumably right wingers would be happy to called "Rightys".

However to you describing some person or opinion as being "lefty" appears to be the ultimate insult. Might it be a good idea to make an intelligent reasoned adult critique of another posters views if you disagree with them, and not resort to childish name calling. 

It is not name calling, it is my observation. 

 

I do not see a problem pointing it out as I am called a Brexiteer, which I think is OK because I am, the same as socialists that post here are lefty's...????

[Nigel Garvie]

4 hours ago, Logosone said:

Yes, Boris Johnson fantasy of a "golden age" is just an embarassment to him now.

 

The dream of a stand-alone Britain could yet end up to be a nightmare. The cold divorce bill is still being negotiated with Europe. The debt mountain now taken on will be borne by generations to come.

 

What golden age?

The sad fantasy that "We've got the march on them", "Our Boris is playing a blinder" etc, persists against all the evidence. The EU no longer believe that the UK is serious about the negotiations, and see a hard Brexit as the likely outcome. 

 

"For some weeks the British government has been planning a “shock and awe” campaign to warn British businesses that they have less than six months to prepare for Brexit; but the EU has beaten them to it."

 

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/eu-launches-its-own-shock-and-awe-campaign-early/?fbclid=IwAR0KtWRPNjxiUndWkeIe7Zq30fVnAmYTXN6bdDFccwQQer83MYTtnUVsrZU

 

It is and interesting article which lays out in some detail exactly how much we will lose, not comfortable reading unfortunately. 

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

You have done your research, and although from what I read it was a bit broader than that, you are correct. However what I said was "Widely implied," you said "all across the media so that there was widespread coverage". Same thing really, thank you for confirming what I said. 

 

I am a patriot (Not a Nationalist which is different), and although I support Scottish Independence, I do care about the security of the UK. The idea of an unelected personal adviser, who the majority of the British people no longer trust, touring our secret military bases, is concerning. This though is truly scary:- 

"Recent photographs – showing his security pass has a green band – suggest that he has now been granted “developed vetting” (DV) clearance, allowing him to view top-secret files without supervision." (Indy)

 

Burgess and Maclean anyone?

 

Whatever the degree of his influence, Putin appears to be over the moon about Brexit, if you have heard him actually talk about it in public, and the more harmful to us, the better for him. 

 

And have a good weekend yourself.

 

 

It was only implied by the creature from South Islington and this false accusation was widely reported by most of the MSM. Yes, very temporary widespread coverage of the same lie - that's all.

 

Because of your loathing of Cummings, you are suddenly showing UK national security concerns. I'm actually not a fan of Cummings either but if the PM has authority to appoint advisors and give them high security clearance, then if that is an issue that only the government and parliament can review and change. These clearances have been bestowed on unelected government servants for ages and you can't change that just because you don't like them. Your Burgess and Maclean analogy is way off the mark; they have Cambridge in common with Cummings but that about it.

 

 

Edited July 11, 2020 by nauseus
+ can

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

There are many people with left wing, or right wing views on TV (And all points in between). Everyone is entitled to their opinions and to debate them here within the rules. 

No left winger minds being called a lefty, and presumably right wingers would be happy to called "Rightys".

However to you describing some person or opinion as being "lefty" appears to be the ultimate insult. Might it be a good idea to make an intelligent reasoned adult critique of another posters views if you disagree with them, and not resort to childish name calling. 

Righty ho!

[Logosone]

2 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

The sad fantasy that "We've got the march on them", "Our Boris is playing a blinder" etc, persists against all the evidence. The EU no longer believe that the UK is serious about the negotiations, and see a hard Brexit as the likely outcome. 

 

"For some weeks the British government has been planning a “shock and awe” campaign to warn British businesses that they have less than six months to prepare for Brexit; but the EU has beaten them to it."

 

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/eu-launches-its-own-shock-and-awe-campaign-early/?fbclid=IwAR0KtWRPNjxiUndWkeIe7Zq30fVnAmYTXN6bdDFccwQQer83MYTtnUVsrZU

 

It is and interesting article which lays out in some detail exactly how much we will lose, not comfortable reading unfortunately. 

Yes, I feel bad for my British friends who will continue to come to Spain, France, Germany...some of the "soft" advantages of being in the EU will the most sorely missed. Having to queue with third country nationals and no longer being able to use the fast EU lane on trips, how annoying that will be for Brits.

 

Not to mention the business owners who, on top of Covid19, now have to deal with all the upheaval of the new post EU regime.

 

What a shambles for Britain.

[Logosone]

3 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

 

Whatever the degree of his influence, Putin appears to be over the moon about Brexit, if you have heard him actually talk about it in public, and the more harmful to us, the better for him. 

I suspect like the Americans the Russians have an interest in the EU project failing. It's just not in their interest. Russia no doubt welcomes the chance of Germany forging closer ties with Russia, rather than the UK. Just as America would relish it if the EU failed and European nations would have to seek closer alignment with the US. A few years ago it would have been unthinkable for Germany and the US to be so far apart on most things. The EU has led to an emancipation from the US. See the EU starting it's own payment and banking systems. Even Putin can't like that. Another competitor for his own system.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

The sad fantasy that "We've got the march on them", "Our Boris is playing a blinder" etc, persists against all the evidence. The EU no longer believe that the UK is serious about the negotiations, and see a hard Brexit as the likely outcome. 

 

"For some weeks the British government has been planning a “shock and awe” campaign to warn British businesses that they have less than six months to prepare for Brexit; but the EU has beaten them to it."

 

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/eu-launches-its-own-shock-and-awe-campaign-early/?fbclid=IwAR0KtWRPNjxiUndWkeIe7Zq30fVnAmYTXN6bdDFccwQQer83MYTtnUVsrZU

 

It is and interesting article which lays out in some detail exactly how much we will lose, not comfortable reading unfortunately. 

Anthony Robinson, now retired after a long career representing several European manufacturers in the UK.

 

Obviously a remainer and now spends most of his time gathering as much fake muck as he can to try and stick on the UK Government. He is also interested in politics (much), although not as an active party member (right), and enjoys reading, gardening and diy.

 

ps://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/author/anthonyrobinson/

[nauseus]

8 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Yes, I feel bad for my British friends who will continue to come to Spain, France, Germany...some of the "soft" advantages of being in the EU will the most sorely missed. Having to queue with third country nationals and no longer being able to use the fast EU lane on trips, how annoying that will be for Brits.

 

Not to mention the business owners who, on top of Covid19, now have to deal with all the upheaval of the new post EU regime.

 

What a shambles for Britain.

No fast track? Scare blue.

[nauseus]

8 hours ago, Logosone said:

 

A pragmatic view then. But there are those on the extreme far right spectrum who actually prefer a "no-deal" outcome. Purely because they literally want to stand alone, have nothing to do with the EU and just have the divorce from Europe as soon as possible.

 

Regardless of the obvious negative economic consequences for the UK if a no-deal outcome happens.

 

 

Well, look on the bright side, there are actually very few on the extreme far right so they won't count for much.

[Logosone]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Well, look on the bright side, there are actually very few on the extreme far right so they won't count for much.

What is your view on the economic outlook for the UK?

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, Logosone said:

What is your view on the economic outlook for the UK?

Absolutely dire.....just like everywhere else.

[Logosone]

It's not like everywhere else.

[nauseus]

7 minutes ago, Logosone said:

It's not like everywhere else.

True, there will be a QE of fish and chips.

[kingdong]

15 hours ago, HauptmannUK said:

Sweet Jesus!  The utter garbage some people write on TVF!

blasphemy

[tebee]

Brexit is poison - it will never deliver what it promised, even now the brexiters are turning against the brexit they voted for last year. 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/07/11/brexit-key-parts-pms-withdrawal-agreement-amount-poison-pill/

 

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1308222/brexit-news-EU-trade-deal-boris-johnson-uk-withdrawal-agreement

[RuamRudy]

2 minutes ago, tebee said:

Brexit is poison - it will never deliver what it promised, even now the brexiters are turning against the brexit they voted for last year. 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/07/11/brexit-key-parts-pms-withdrawal-agreement-amount-poison-pill/

 

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1308222/brexit-news-EU-trade-deal-boris-johnson-uk-withdrawal-agreement

Or rewriting history:

 

Andrea Leadsom claims it was made 'very clear' that people could lose their jobs in a no-deal Brexit

[IvorBiggun2]

8 minutes ago, tebee said:

Brexit is poison - it will never deliver what it promised, even now the brexiters are turning against the brexit they voted for last year. 

Weren't we told somewhat similar just before an election but the Brexiteers won by a landslide.

[transam]

5 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Or rewriting history:

 

Andrea Leadsom claims it was made 'very clear' that people could lose their jobs in a no-deal Brexit

"Could, not "Would"....?   ????  

 

[RuamRudy]

19 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Weren't we told somewhat similar just before an election but the Brexiteers won by a landslide.

43% is a landslide now, is it? It seems like everything that casts a negative light on Brexit is renamed, repackaged, repurposed or binned, especially fact. But 43% was not then and never will be a landslide - in a proper democracy it wouldn't even be close to being considered a mandate. 

[RuamRudy]

23 minutes ago, transam said:

"Could, not "Would"....?   ????  

 

 

But even 'could' was a lie - not that it should surprise anyone that a leading member of the Nasty party is an inveterate liar.