What will happen to foreigners with expired visas after July 31?

[White Tiger]

1 hour ago, leeedwards said:

We have proper visas, 1 Year multiple non o marriage, requiring us to leave and return every 90 days. It’s not rocket science, so why don’t some of u understand that we can’t go out and come back. For the last 9 years it has proven problem free for me. I’m sorry I’m no Nostradamus and was unable to predict this unfortunate turn of events. The lack of empathy and understanding from some people is frankly shocking. 

Isn't this article about people who are 'stuck' in Thailand with visas that will have expired?

 

People with Thai visas who are 'stuck' outside Thailand and waiting for Thailand to re=open its borders for entry to non-Thais, so they can return, are a different topic.  It seems to me they have a choice between:

 

!. sitting it out in the country where they are currently 'stuck' (e.g. a neighbouring country like Laos if on a border run); and

 

2. returning to the country of which you have citizenship (e.g. the UK if you're a British citizen) and then waiting it out in the UK.

 

I'm sure I've read that Thailand was re-opening its borders to non-natives who are married to Thais. There are conditions attached (e.g. the Covid insurance cover) which might make it nigh on impossible to return immediately. So the choice about where to sit it out remains. It could be a long wait.

 

If you are in a neighbouring country (e.g. Laos) eventually it is probably going to insist on foreigners who are 'stuck' there leaving. (Just as Thailand's own amnesty is coming to an end at the end of July, I'd guess any such amnesty in a neighbouring country will also come to an end in due course). If Thailand's borders are still closed when that all happens then it will mean returning to the country for which you hold a passport. 

 

Of course, you could just try re-entry with your non-O marriage visa, without any Covid insurance, and see what happens. You might get stamped in without any fuss, especially if your Thai wife and family are with you to explain about your predicament to the border control officer. This might work at one of the land border/foot crossings, where it's less easy to be put on a flight back to your home country. This is Thailand after all. 

 

[ronwel]

I am a South African staying in Thailand with my Thai wife and 2 year old daughter.
I make an income through dividends from a business not based in Thailand.

I am on a NON-O based on marriage which expired in June. I went to my immigration office and they said not to worry and to come back around July 31st.

South Africa had around 10,000 cases yesterday. If I go back to South Africa, sort out my visa then come back to Thailand. What do I expect on arrival? Can I even come back at this time? Will I be stranded in South Africa away from my wife and child for an undetermined amount of time?
 

[Walker88]

4 hours ago, AndrewMciver said:

 Of course they are. Europeans and Americans most definately. Even those living in Australia / New Zealand can get on repatriation flights. 

 

This loop hole is no different to the visa run to a neighbouring country, to stay there for a long indefinate period. 

 

If you want to stay long term, get the proper visa. 

One wonders what difference it could possibly make to you if some foreigners enjoy the visa amnesty. Whether to extend it or not is totally up to the Thai govt as to whether they demand folks 'get the proper visa'.

 

Are these foreigners stealing your job?  Causing you any harm whatsoever? One might be excused for speculating those miffed by fellow foreigners enjoying this benefit have a life bereft of any joy, and need to be forever bitter about something.

 

As has been stated repeatedly, some people do not work or reside in the country of their Passport, so have nothing to return to there. Others require multiple legs of a flight to get home, but one leg is often cancelled and requires a person to live in an airport, since the transit country is itself closed.  Still others simply prefer the relative safety Thailand offers having quashed Covid, and are happy to spend money in Thailand while waiting. There's no harm done, but there is a benefit of money spent and Thai workers employed.

 

I don't think you are going to open your wallet and aid the many Thais who will lose jobs when the amnesty ends and upwards of 40,000 foreign Western tourists are required to leave. Rather than seem put out by the extended amnesty, you might show some compassion for thousands of Thais who will be laid off when yet more hotels and restaurants close.

 

 

Edited July 9, 2020 by Walker88
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[Don Mega]

17 minutes ago, Caldera said:

You're looking at this too narrowly. Some people work in a country other than their home country and cannot return to their "home" as long as only citizens are allowed back in.

 

What you waffling about ?

[Walker88]

1 minute ago, Don Mega said:

What you waffling about ?

Perhaps you are not capable of understanding the point, though it isn't particularly complex.

 

You seem to insist that foreigners who have accepted the generosity and understanding of the Thai govt---you know them, THEY are the ones who make the rules---are somehow doing something untoward or impacting your quality of life or otherwise inconveniencing you. It seems unlikely that is the case, as they are merely following the rules set down by the Thai govt. Perhaps that which seems to upset you about this Thai govt decision stems from a fault within you?

[GeilGeilertzen]

So tired of listening to people

like yourself always throwing out the this line “get the proper

visa!” 
Who the <deleted> are you people!? Are you some kind of a protector of the kingdom or the owner of Thailand.  
it’s about time to realize that for many people there are no proper

visas to get to easily live in Thailand.   Even you have cash enough to live well or for that sake being married. Ie its not enough to be married to a thai to indefinitely live in Thailand as there are other requirements like income requirements for that couple/ husband. The truth is that the visa rules in Thailand are not fair.  
Because if the same requirements applied for that same married couple in the country to that husband,

where should they

live? On the moon maybe?

 

The point about Thailand is that visa laws are very unfair to those who wants to do it legal.  Ie back to a The married couple. If let’s say if your 20 year of marriage Thai wife or youas a foreigner lost your income in Thailand or abroad, you would not be able to renew your visa. They don’t take into account that you have been married for 20 year and are living there as a married couple. Their legal visas does not accept that a couple in their life could meet some kind of obstacles

and have a hard time like in any other couple.  
So you think the right thing to do is to split the couple up of and send the each way and back to countries the have no real attachments too and no real option for a job.  It’s an insane system to many.  It just isn’t fair and are taking no rights in a human And family oriented perspective into account. 
 

And stop thinking that the only

ones wanting to live in Thailand for a long time or a longer period of their lives are criminals or some very young youtubers that in your mind don’t have the right to live there. 

[Don Mega]

14 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Perhaps you are not capable of understanding the point, though it isn't particularly complex.

 

You seem to insist that foreigners who have accepted the generosity and understanding of the Thai govt---you know them, THEY are the ones who make the rules---are somehow doing something untoward or impacting your quality of life or otherwise inconveniencing you. It seems unlikely that is the case, as they are merely following the rules set down by the Thai govt. Perhaps that which seems to upset you about this Thai govt decision stems from a fault within you?

Perhaps you are not capable of understanding my question.

 

 

[Don Mega]

5 minutes ago, GeilGeilertzen said:

 

it’s about time to realize that for many people there are no proper

visas to get to easily live in Thailand. . 

Elite Visa

[thaibestlover]

The free stay for foreigners in Thailand will be till end of August 2020.

 

If foreigners dont have a back-flight till end of August 2020 they are considered over staying people and have to live with consequences. 

[clorox]

this forum use to be the place where people come together and have a nice conversation and ask about visa etc.., they would help one another, giving advice and tips how to do thing regardless of what situation they are in, these days all I see is the have, I'm better then you so I don't care, bashing the don't have, you were once that person, does not matter what visa or permission to stay they have or to do border run etc.., all of it is legal, nothing is illegal about it, you talk like they did something wrong, when did this forum become so toxic

[GeilGeilertzen]

3 hours ago, leeedwards said:

We have proper visas, 1 Year multiple non o marriage, requiring us to leave and return every 90 days. It’s not rocket science, so why don’t some of u understand that we can’t go out and come back. For the last 9 years it has proven problem free for me. I’m sorry I’m no Nostradamus and was unable to predict this unfortunate turn of events. The lack of empathy and understanding from some people is frankly shocking. 

Yep.   He seems to be a real nutter and never having had a relation based on some love and family oriented issues.  Poor sod. 

[stailmanki]

Speculation  ?

[umlungu2012]

4 hours ago, AndrewMciver said:

 

Utter nonsense. 

 

You aren't renting a castle in Windsor. Get yourself a small home till you land on your feet. No references are needed for the vast majority of small homes. The biggest request would be to pay a month's rent in advance. 

 

Again, more excuses as to why you can't return. You can return. No excuses. Get yourself back. 

 

In the unlikely even you don't find any property (which is not going to happen), get yourself to the local council to provide you with social housing. 

 

And you still haven't disclosed what funds you are using whilst in Thailand?

Have you got nothing else to do than spout your aggression via your keyboard? You're not affected, so let people handle their individual circumstances as they wish. It has no adverse impact on you. You are one of these armchair wannabe dictator types. You'd do well as a guard at a concentration camp. All you need is a uniform. You, with your unlimited supply of wisdom and foresight, would, of course, never find yourself in a pickle and therefore have no ounce of empathy or insight when situations arise - of your own making, or not. You are infallible, obviously. Apart from all that, you come across as an aggressive, vindictive Mr Know-It-All. Do us all a favour and just go away. 

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[mommysboy]

Who knows!

[stailmanki]

Is this just Speculation❓

free stay for foreigners in Thailand will be till end of August 2020.

[greggraham]

I wish people would stop stating speculation as if it is fact. Doesn't help anyone. 

[StevieAus]

5 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

That depends on your perspective. I’m currently stranded in the UK unable to travel back to Thailand. 

 

Is there an opportunity for Foreigners (and Thai’s) to travel out of Thailand on one of the many International flights which are arriving daily? 

 

If so, I don’t think Europeans are stranded in Thailand, however, I think Aus and NZ are limiting flights etc and some of those citizens could be stranded in Thailand, as could US citizens who may struggle to flight flight links into the US. 

 

Cost can also be too prohibitive resulting in people being stranded for the time being. 

 

 

I have an Aus friend who flew back to Sydney two weeks ago without any great difficulty using Cathy Pacific but had to fly via Hong Kong he of course had to do the 2 week quarantine on arrival in a hotel paid for by the government.

He said the fare was not over the top and plenty of seats on the aircraft.

Australia is only allowing those with citizenship, permanent residency or close relatives to enter. 

[Kalasin Jo]

5 hours ago, AndrewMciver said:

 Of course they are. Europeans and Americans most definately. Even those living in Australia / New Zealand can get on repatriation flights. 

 

This loop hole is no different to the visa run to a neighbouring country, to stay there for a long indefinate period. 

 

If you want to stay long term, get the proper visa. 

Im not a long stayer but a medium stayer, approx half the year here usually. The non O multi entry based on marriage from Savanakhet ideal until all this kicked off..

 

Yes it is possible for me to leave, my wife doesn't want that. We both know there is no certainty when I can return under reasonable conditions, even for a run over to Laos. Can't now and I won't be doing that until all is crystal clear. 

 

Actually I need to leave to attend to things back in Europe. We were both going early May. Now her visa for that trip had expired

 

So I'm trying to  get  a 1 year extension, marriage based, income based now plus re entry permit.  So far I've been in to my IO twice and got conflicting advice, shake of the head and a "go to Lao or put 400k in the bank". Not able to do money in bank until next year now and anyway as the IO agreed, by the time it was seasoned I would definitely be out of time for application. Income method a minefield without an Embassy letter ( I'm a British passport holder).Just gathered what I think they need and will apply  Monday. Not confident.

 

Also now applying for new visa for my wife to leave with me. It may be free, but there is an irritating service charge and the cost of traveling/staying Bangkok to get that done.

 

And thought it wise to buy extra travel insurance to cover this extended stay here.

 

So spare a bit of sympathy / empathy for those like me. There must be quite a few.

[0815]

I don't understand what the big problem is about this.
Tourists who don't want or can't go back home yet - Give out tourist visas at any immigration office in the country for the existing fee and extend them for the existing fee.
Expats who can't extend Non-B visas get in trouble as well, or are already. Visas could easily be issued to them or extended in the country.
Can't be a staff problem as staff from consulates and embassies should be available.
Can't be a location problem as many hotels are empty around the country.
Flexibility is the key word to make everyone happy.
Tracking of remaining tourists? Accommodations and landlords do TM28 and TM30 for what? There are apps to track movements as well.
Who doesn't agree to be tracked - chose a flight !

[Jackcwba]

It must of killed them that they’ve not been able to scoop up all that money over the last 3 months... they will want to turn this pandemic into a business now

 

 

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[fakser]

I am stuck in my country with Non O visa dew to expire on July 17, 2020. Unable to extent it for another year. Unable to receive answers from anybody. I talked with Thai consulate in my Israel. They don't know. I talked with Thai immigration in Chaengwatthana, the don't know.

Any idea?

 

[bbi1]

8 hours ago, Don Mega said:

What countries have closed borders that don't allow entry to its own citizens ?

Australia for one. I posted about it in the Visa section a few days ago.

 

The Aussie government limits incoming overseas flights to no more than 50 people per plane, and a maximum of 450 each day coming from ALL COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD: https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/overseas-arrivals-capped-in-nsw-to-prevent-virus-spread/news-story/604f2504f5bb23ed5a4a2634736eaca2

 

I doubt airlines will also want to fly with a 50 people per plane cap being placed by a government so there will be no flights into Australia. Which airline wants to fly with a max of 50 people to Oz? Surely not commercially viable to fly a commercial aircraft at 5-10% capacity.

Edited July 9, 2020 by bbi1

[RR2020]

5 hours ago, AndrewMciver said:

 No excuses not to return back. Many flights are leaving Thailand that are capable of handling passengers. 

 

Absolutely there are loads of flights now leaving Bangkok.  You can fly to Paris, Frankfurt, Incheon etc.. and then connect onwards to any destination for EU or US passports.

 

The issue is not leaving, its loads of them want to do a border run, they are working illegally in Thailand.  Now if they have to do a border run, get covid insurance, get a COE and do 14 day quarantine in order to return - they dont want that and for many its impossible to do that.  No tourists allowed.  They want another free extension.

 

Best thing to do is simply state around the 14th July (2 weeks before the amnesty ends) that all people with expired visa must leave Thailand by 14th of August.  Two weeks "grace" period from the end of the amnesty.  Then, all out unless you have a valid visa.  

 

Brilliant for Thai Immigration, finally then they will have no Tourist visa workers in Thailand........perfect chance for a good clean up of all the illegal tourist visa workers.

 

Currently its not expected Tourist visa or Visa on Entry will come back before October the 1st. Then it may well be only with very strict conditions of where you can travel to.

 

If you are on a tourist visa the simple truth is - go home now, flights are available and at normal prices to most places.

 

 

[Jon in Colorado]

They say nothing of the border with Vietnam - what is that situation - open or closed ??

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[RR2020]

6 minutes ago, bbi1 said:

Australia for one. I posted about it in the Visa section a few days ago.

 

The Aussie government limits incoming overseas flights to no more than 50 people per plane, and a maximum of 450 each day coming from ALL COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD: https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/overseas-arrivals-capped-in-nsw-to-prevent-virus-spread/news-story/604f2504f5bb23ed5a4a2634736eaca2

 

I doubt airlines will also want to fly with a 50 people per plane cap being placed by a government so there will be no flights into Australia. Which airline wants to fly with a max of 50 people to Oz? Surely not commercially viable to fly a commercial aircraft at 5-10% capacity.

 

 

Loads of flights into Sydney from around the world.  Check if you like.

 

https://www.sydneyairport.com.au/flights/?query=&flightType=arrival&terminalType=international&date=2020-07-09&sortColumn=airline&ascending=false&showAll=true

 

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[bbi1]

8 minutes ago, RR2020 said:

 

 

Loads of flights into Sydney from around the world.  Check if you like.

 

https://www.sydneyairport.com.au/flights/?query=&flightType=arrival&terminalType=international&date=2020-07-09&sortColumn=airline&ascending=false&showAll=true

 

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With only 50 passengers allowed on a plane max and only 450 passengers per day max allowed to get out the plane in Sydney as per the Aussie government's rules? All due to all quarantine hotels being full to the hilt.

 

Ok, a total of 7 flights from around the world landing in Sydney sometime today. 50 passengers on each plane times 7 flights that gives 350 passengers. Just below the 450 max per day limit.

 

None of those flights are coming from Thailand either.

Edited July 9, 2020 by bbi1

[RR2020]

Just now, bbi1 said:

With only 50 passengers allowed on a plane max and only 450 passangers per day max allowed to get out the plane in Sydney as per the Aussie government's rules?

Yes.

 

A lot of airlines have to keep flying, even with empty planes. Aviation rules and regulations for landing slots etc... demands they do it.  So there will be flights everyday into Australia........be they with 50 people or 10 people or 1 person or empty.