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3 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

On what planet could this lose him votes? Obama and his admin spied illegally on Trump's election campaign - it is like Watergate on steroids, and the inane Stone charges of dotting the I's and crossing the T's was borne from the whole illegal deep state plot to not allow Trump to be President at any cost(spying, paying for BS dossiers to smear him, repeated hoaxes, leaked questions for the tv debate to Clinton etc etc etc). Note Steele's legal woes in the UK, and now Trump demanding his extradition to face charges things are getting real fast. Possibly not a long wait until Obama and team are wearing jumpsuits and leg irons - can't come soon enough.

May I ask what kind of colours your glasses is? Still same pink ones you get here i thailand at first day arrival? 

It's possible that both Trump and Stone could be liable to prosecution for this commutation.  A pardon or commutation can only apply to acts committed in the past.  No one can get a free pass to commit crimes in the future.  So, Trump can commute the sentence for the crimes of which Stone has been convicted.  However, Stone's solicitation of a commutation with the frank quid-pro-quo that he has declined to testify against the President in expectation of a pardon or commutation establishes that the commutation is a bribe incriminating both Trump and Stone since it is in furtherance of an ongoing conspiracy to obstruct justice.  Since this crime is ongoing and Stone has not been convicted of it, the commutation cannot apply to this new crime.

 

While Trump has authority to issue a commutation or pardon, if he were to do so with corrupt intent, as is clear has occurred in this case, then it becomes a crime.  This is easy to understand.  You as owner of your laptop have the power to destroy it.  However, if the laptop has evidence of a crime that you have committed then destroying is obstruction of justice.

 

However, I think it is unlikely that the DoJ under President Biden will prosecute Trump and the rest of his crime family.  The Democrats don't want to appear vindictive, which is why Obama did not prosecute the CIA people who were responsible for torture during the Bush administration.

 

We will have to hope for legal action from some state attorney general against the Trump crime family.  I don't know whether Stone have violated state law, but Trump certainly has.

 

Another point to note is that since Stone's sentence has been commuted he no longer has the right to invoke the Fifth Amendment for questioning with regards to any of the matters covered by his conviction.  That means he could be subpoenaed in the future and if he were to lie again under oath could be indicted for perjury.

Edited July 12, 20205 yr by cmarshall

For the record...

 

stone was prosecuted by the government

convicted at trial on seven (7) counts by a jury of his peers

sentenced by a judge to 40 months in prison

he remains a convicted felon

 

Law & Order president?

 

Yeah, sure keep drinking that Kool-Aid.

 

his long time advisor (stone) is a felon.

trump’s campaign manager is a felon.
his deputy campaign manager is a felon.
his national security advisor is a felon.
his foreign policy advisor is a felon.
his personal lawyer is a felon.
 

11 hours ago, dundee48 said:

Thank you Mr.President for righting  this corrupt abuse of power.

The liberals won`t like this.

Liberals are so funny.

I am neither a liberal nor an American but Trump is making a mockery of the US justice as he has of almost every thing else.

Hopefully when his term comes he will find out who his true friends are. He can count them using only 1 finger of 1 hand and that will be pointing at himself.

27 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

As the honorable R. Muller (served with valor in Vietnam, did not run away from his duty like a coward) just reminded us:

 

"The jury ultimately convicted Stone of obstruction of a congressional investigation, five counts of making false statements to Congress and tampering with a witness. Because his sentence has been commuted, he will not go to prison. But his conviction stands."

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/11/politics/robert-mueller-defends-roger-stone-prosecution/index.html

 

A criminal pardoned by a criminal.

Now Mueller talks.

A little late for train, Bobby Three-sticks

 

 

30 minutes ago, billd766 said:

I am neither a liberal nor an American but Trump is making a mockery of the US justice as he has of almost every thing else.

Hopefully when his term comes he will find out who his true friends are. He can count them using only 1 finger of 1 hand and that will be pointing at himself.

Maybe if the water gets to hot for him - He can apply for political asylum in Russia ... On the grounds of political prosecution ... ???? 

I think Stone has got a lot of dirt on Trump, so maybe this was a quid pro quo: Trump pardons Stone and Stone is not going to rat on Trump. The last thing Trump needs is another book about all his shady dealings, both as a businessman (and I use that term very loosely here, mind you) and as president.

10 hours ago, candide said:

A crook is helping his crooked friend! Nothing surprising about it!

 

At least, Stone is smart enough to wear a mask! ????

one has to wonder about the quantity of "dirt" Stone must have on Trump for him (Trump) to risk the huge amount of criticism Trump will receive for commuting the sentence.....looks like  2021 will be an interesting year, can't wait 555

1 hour ago, Kelsall said:

Trump exerised that power to right a wrong

Except he didn't. It's the courts that make decisions about guilt, not presidents. He is still a convicted felon, according to Mueller. He will sing, eventually, once Trump is out on his backside. Probably put it all in a book, which he's no doubt been working on for some time.

Edited July 12, 20205 yr by teatime101

A great wrong was corrected commuting Stone's jail sentence on trumped up lies. This time the Deep State didn't win. 

Let he who is without sin cast the first Stone.......????

Trump has shown he is about Law and Disorder.

Even Trump's personal attorney Barr opposed clemency for Roger. Barr said that Stone's prosecution was righteous and sentence fair. Oddly, Barr's position was in line with Robert Mueller's defense of his own investigation and prosecution of Roger. 

htpps:/www.cnbc.com/2020/07/11/attorney-general-barr-told-trump-he-shouldn't-grant-roger-stone-clemency.html

 

 

"Thinking like trump would" , all he now has available is his "Hail Mary". Go George Wallace, Race bating, Law & Order and fear.  His attempt to increase his base. Additionally, Barr will pull off his October surprise ObamaGate.

1 hour ago, Boon Mee said:

A great wrong was corrected commuting Stone's jail sentence on trumped up lies. This time the Deep State didn't win. 

Didn't know outright lies are permitted on TV, but to rectify the disinformation...

 

“Stone was prosecuted and convicted because he committed federal crimes. He remains a convicted felon, and rightly so.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/12/robert-mueller-breaks-his-silence-and-condemns-trump-for-commuting-roger-stones-sentence?utm_term=RWRpdG9yaWFsX0d1YXJkaWFuVG9kYXlVS19XZWVrZW5kLTIwMDcxMg%3D%3D&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=GTUK_email&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUK

 

 

1 hour ago, Boon Mee said:

A great wrong was corrected commuting Stone's jail sentence on trumped up lies. This time the Deep State didn't win. 

Odd then that Trump commuted Stone’s sentence rather than pardon his crimes.

 

Stone remains a convicted felon, his only gain here is he’s not yet going to prison. 

14 hours ago, dundee48 said:

Thank you Mr.President for righting  this corrupt abuse of power.

The liberals won`t like this.

Liberals are so funny.

Good you're laughing now, may not be so funny for ya' come November 

1 hour ago, PETERTHEEATER said:

Let he who is without sin cast the first Stone.......????

Then you should expect a total rockfest!

7 hours ago, Walker88 said:

The convicted felon stone fired a shot across the bow last week when he spoke of the fact "I could have turned on 45 but I protected him". stone has a history of singing when faced with punishment, as he---like 45 and his people---are ultimately abject cowards at their core. Clearly 45, who has been 'friends' with stone since the mid 1980s, both knew stone's history as well as what stone knows that could result in 45's criminal indictment.

 

Thus, only days before stone was to report to prison, 45 used the camouflage of Coward Hour on a Friday July night to further abuse and disgrace the office of the Presidency and issue a commutation.

 

Some charges against stone remain, however, and when Rule of Law returns to the US in January 2021, stone will again face conviction and imprisonment, and if his history is any guide, he will sing then and 45 will have to face the music.

 

Given the need to remind the American people and the world that everyone is equal under the law and no one is above it, it is likely that if convicted, 45 and his cohorts (family) will go to jail. There is precedent in developed countries for the jailing of a former leader, most notably in SOuth Korea, where at least two formers rulers were sent to prison for their crimes.

 

So it shall be in the United States.

You seem to be under the impression that he (Stone) will still be alive at this time.

 

Far fetched? Lets see.

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Odd then that Trump commuted Stone’s sentence rather than pardon his crimes.

 

Stone remains a convicted felon, his only gain here is he’s not yet going to prison. 

Trump just gave him an extra couple months of freedom, coming January he will back in

Barr: It would be a crime for president to pardon someone in exchange for their silence

 

"Do you believe a president could lawfully issue a pardon in exchange for the recipient's promise not incriminate him?" Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) asked Barr during his confirmation hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

 

"No, that would be a crime," Barr said. 

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/425404-trumps-ag-pick-it-would-be-a-crime-if-a-president-pardoned-individual-in

 

This would explain the reports that barr was very much against trump springing stone.

 

 

 

For the record...

 

stone was prosecuted by the government

stone was tried on seven (7) counts

stone was found guilty by a jury of his peers

stone was sentenced to 40 months in prision

 

stone remains a convicted felon

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 12, 20205 yr by mtls2005

18 hours ago, dundee48 said:

Thank you Mr.President for righting  this corrupt abuse of power.

The liberals won`t like this.

Liberals are so funny.

Ironic that you mention the word corrupt whilst celebrating blatant corruption. Do you honestly think that the law should be ignored if it inconveniences you or somebody you support. You are espousing dictatorship and anarchy , though I guess only when it suits you , its deplorable , vile hypocrisy which shames you and your ilk.

10 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

On what planet could this lose him votes? Obama and his admin spied illegally on Trump's election campaign - it is like Watergate on steroids, and the inane Stone charges of dotting the I's and crossing the T's was borne from the whole illegal deep state plot to not allow Trump to be President at any cost(spying, paying for BS dossiers to smear him, repeated hoaxes, leaked questions for the tv debate to Clinton etc etc etc). Note Steele's legal woes in the UK, and now Trump demanding his extradition to face charges things are getting real fast. Possibly not a long wait until Obama and team are wearing jumpsuits and leg irons - can't come soon enough.

Possibly the most pathetic rendition of ' but but but ' ever seen on this forum , why are you even trying to defend blatant corruption , laughable yet sad , very sad.

Beijing must love Trump and his 'useful idiot ' monkeys !

Im almost daily surprised at how much free rein the USA  allows its President ! It allows him  to intefere with all kinds of instruments of the nation- military , Post Office ( <deleted>! ) courts , electoral office, National Parks , etc , etc .... is there anything he is forbidden to mess with as our Prime Ministers are ?

There are Monarchies in the world that are much less tolerant of this sort of open manipulation and meddling with the Nation !

11 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The esteemed and famous Lincoln Project, notably a group of republicans that ironically produces much more aggressive messaging than the democrats, is out with a response to the Stone news. 

 

 

And by law and order, I mean "you break the law, I order your sentence commuted."

In short , what is the reasoning behind having all the  'trimmings' of a democracy , the allowing a President to act like an Emperor ?

18 minutes ago, zaZa9 said:

In short , what is the reasoning behind having all the  'trimmings' of a democracy , the allowing a President to act like an Emperor ?

No reason. 

It's insane. 

The USA is losing our democracy. 

Reelect this corrupt con man and its over. 

27 minutes ago, zaZa9 said:

Im almost daily surprised at how much free rein the USA  allows its President ! It allows him  to intefere with all kinds of instruments of the nation- military , Post Office ( <deleted>! ) courts , electoral office, National Parks , etc , etc .... is there anything he is forbidden to mess with as our Prime Ministers are ?

There are Monarchies in the world that are much less tolerant of this sort of open manipulation and meddling with the Nation !

It's this president specifically. He's pushing it over the edge. Definitely not what the founders intended. 

32 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

Possibly the most pathetic rendition of ' but but but ' ever seen on this forum , why are you even trying to defend blatant corruption , laughable yet sad , very sad.

Beijing must love Trump and his 'useful idiot ' monkeys !

Moscow even more so. 

15 hours ago, Peabody said:

Interesting his sentence was commuted. He was not pardoned. He is still guilty.

Pardoning would have meant that he could be made to testify in court without fifth amendment claims (right to not self-incriminate).

This got me thinkin about how Stone's testimony,could play a significant role in Durham's  criminal investigation of the mueller prosecutors ! And now mueller comes out of hiding to defend the people that are under criminal investigation just when Durham is about to... lol . There below, is the best part ,his quote "the women and men acted with the highest integrity". Mr. Flynn's attorney  is Lhao on that remark.

 

"We made every decision in Stone's case, as in all our cases, based solely on the facts and the law and in accordance with the rule of law. The women and men who conducted these investigations and prosecutions acted with the highest integrity. Claims to the contrary are false," Mueller wrote.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/11/politics/robert-mueller-defends-roger-stone-prosecution/index.html

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3xkxj/bill-barr-picked-a-mueller-like-prosecutor-to-investigate-the-mueller-probe

 

Edited July 12, 20205 yr by riclag