Trump to send federal forces to more 'Democrat' cities

[i84teen]

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

Would you include the police who have been caught on camera attacking peaceful protesters among the lawbreakers who should be arrested?

Would u not use some common sense rather than being so obtuse.

In my world, anyone breaking the law can and should be cited. I refer you to all the rioters current and in mpls where "thugs" protested by "peacefully" looting, rioting, arson, vandalism all for the sake of g floyd, especially all the ghetto rats carrying 55" tv's out of Target all in a tribute to floyd.

If a cop whacks a wayward protester, deal with out, but at the end of the day the violent protests need to cease, law and order restored and the shootings stopped. It's out of control obviously and needs drastic intervention. If you can't see that, there ain't much hope for you.

[checkered flag]

6 minutes ago, i84teen said:

Would u not use some common sense rather than being so obtuse.

In my world, anyone breaking the law can and should be cited. I refer you to all the rioters current and in mpls where "thugs" protested by "peacefully" looting, rioting, arson, vandalism all for the sake of g floyd, especially all the ghetto rats carrying 55" tv's out of Target all in a tribute to floyd.

If a cop whacks a wayward protester, deal with out, but at the end of the day the violent protests need to cease, law and order restored and the shootings stopped. It's out of control obviously and needs drastic intervention. If you can't see that, there ain't much hope for you.

I totally agree and have decided to avoid reading postings from the radical loonies here. They obviously have an agenda to spread decent.

[Sujo]

18 minutes ago, i84teen said:

Would u not use some common sense rather than being so obtuse.

In my world, anyone breaking the law can and should be cited. I refer you to all the rioters current and in mpls where "thugs" protested by "peacefully" looting, rioting, arson, vandalism all for the sake of g floyd, especially all the ghetto rats carrying 55" tv's out of Target all in a tribute to floyd.

If a cop whacks a wayward protester, deal with out, but at the end of the day the violent protests need to cease, law and order restored and the shootings stopped. It's out of control obviously and needs drastic intervention. If you can't see that, there ain't much hope for you.

And those peaceful protesters that were harrassed and tear gassed so trump could get a pic holding a bible? Those police should be arrested right?

[Phoenix Rising]

13 minutes ago, checkered flag said:

I totally agree and have decided to avoid reading postings from the radical loonies here. They obviously have an agenda to spread decent.

I think the word you're looking for is decency, not decent.

[heybruce]

47 minutes ago, i84teen said:

Would u not use some common sense rather than being so obtuse.

In my world, anyone breaking the law can and should be cited. I refer you to all the rioters current and in mpls where "thugs" protested by "peacefully" looting, rioting, arson, vandalism all for the sake of g floyd, especially all the ghetto rats carrying 55" tv's out of Target all in a tribute to floyd.

If a cop whacks a wayward protester, deal with out, but at the end of the day the violent protests need to cease, law and order restored and the shootings stopped. It's out of control obviously and needs drastic intervention. If you can't see that, there ain't much hope for you.

 

38 minutes ago, checkered flag said:

I totally agree and have decided to avoid reading postings from the radical loonies here. They obviously have an agenda to spread decent.

I tried to find the current status on Minneapolis rioting and couldn't find anything less than six weeks old.  In fact, outside of Portland I can't find much on active rioting in the US.  Some places still have peaceful protest, but that's not only allowed but protected by the Constitution.

 

Could you clarify what you man by "If a cop whacks a wayward protester, deal with out,"?  How would you recommend people who drive into protesters be dealt with?  https://www.npr.org/2020/06/21/880963592/vehicle-attacks-rise-as-extremists-target-protesters

[EVENKEEL]

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

Nothing as black and white as a botched covid-19 response. That will do Trump in.

But keep on hoping, you're fun to watch.

Seems you have a hard time staying on one topic, Trump's response to the violence sweeping our nation is a big plus for him. "Law and Order"

Edited July 22, 2020 by EVENKEEL

[Yankeesvsredsox]

On 7/21/2020 at 2:38 PM, blazes said:

 

"Peacably"??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

They, the radical left, would have you believe your all imagining this !!!

 

"Empty sidewalks, boarded windows and upset business owners in downtown Portland"

 

 

Edited July 22, 2020 by Yankeesvsredsox

[Yankeesvsredsox]

54 days of peaceful protests and the sign on the window says

 

"This is a family owned Restaurant ,we've already been struggling to live!

Please don't hurt us"

 

Enough with these leftest leaders and rioters 

Edited July 22, 2020 by Yankeesvsredsox

[EVENKEEL]

Portland's major and Oregon's govnur should be held accountable for the destruction they have enabled. How can you vote for a democratic POTUS when this is an example of the future of America.

[Yankeesvsredsox]

20 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Portland's major and Oregon's govnur should be held accountable for the destruction they have enabled. How can you vote for a democratic POTUS when this is an example of the future of America.

Sad, when American small shop owners, have to plead with rioters and the left hierarchy, to stop it ,now!! 

 

fifty four days 

 

Edited July 22, 2020 by Yankeesvsredsox

[Tippaporn]

4 hours ago, heybruce said:

  

4 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

LOL.  You're asking the question because you know there's no definitive answer yet.  And as long as names aren't able to be named you can use it as evidence of your position and continue with your bogus position that there's no organization to it.  You people are so transparent.

 

As with any criminal enterprise you'll find a hierarchical structure.  Those at the top will insulate themselves.  To suggest there's no organization when there's plenty of evidence is ludicrous.  But that's your choice.  You won't fool me, though.

 

The mayors and governors know their cities and states better than Trump knows....anything.  If they think it is better to tolerate a certain amount of vandalism and civil disobedience and wait out the protestors to avoid a violent confrontation, I trust their judgment on the matter.

More comedy gold.  What does "knowing their cities and states" have to do with enforcing the law?  Is enforcing the law optional?  Is enforcing the law dependent on your "feel" for how much lawlessness your constituency can tolerate?  Do you think shop owners who have been vandalized, looted and even burnt to the ground would agree that, yes, it's a good idea to allow riots and mayhem because, well, it wouldn't be such a good idea to confront the criminals.  Why, they may get more violent.  LOL

 

We had a discussion a few months back and you had interpreted my point of view as being anarchistic (which it wasn't, but I let that sleeping dog lie).  Here's part of your reply from that exchange:

 

"From this and the rest of your post I assume you are an anarchist that thinks society can get by without rules.  I disagree.  I challenge you to show me an example of a society that gets by without rules and some enforcement of these rules."

 

But now anarchy is cool.  You're willing to tolerate it (assuredly as long as you don't have to suffer it's ill effects).  LOL  Like I said, pure comedy gold.

 

Just asking, do have have any true core values or do they constantly change depending on whether an issue involves liberalism or conservatism?  It's actually a rhetorical question, heybruce.

[Tippaporn]

4 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Can't discount these riots across America will define who wins the Presidency. This is one issue that's pretty much black and white, I don't hear much from Democrats on condemning the violence but they condemn stopping the violence. You leftists better get busy stopping the violence before you drive voters into the Trump Camp.

The money quote:

 

"I don't hear much from Democrats on condemning the violence but they condemn stopping the violence."

 

Excellent point, EVENKEEL.  Odd, isn't it?  Or is it?

 

When was the last time you witnessed a Democratic party leader speak out against the riots and violence in the streets?  You don't.  They instead make excuses and provide illogical rationales to support and justify it.   When was the last time you heard a Democratic party leader support those who took an oath to protect and defend?  You don't.  Pelosi and other Dems call them storm troopers and want to abolish/defund them.  When was the last time you saw a Democratic party leader support and call for unity across America?  You don't.  You only hear them amplify divisions.

[heybruce]

5 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

More comedy gold.  What does "knowing their cities and states" have to do with enforcing the law?  Is enforcing the law optional?  Is enforcing the law dependent on your "feel" for how much lawlessness your constituency can tolerate?  Do you think shop owners who have been vandalized, looted and even burnt to the ground would agree that, yes, it's a good idea to allow riots and mayhem because, well, it wouldn't be such a good idea to confront the criminals.  Why, they may get more violent.  LOL

 

We had a discussion a few months back and you had interpreted my point of view as being anarchistic (which it wasn't, but I let that sleeping dog lie).  Here's part of your reply from that exchange:

 

"From this and the rest of your post I assume you are an anarchist that thinks society can get by without rules.  I disagree.  I challenge you to show me an example of a society that gets by without rules and some enforcement of these rules."

 

But now anarchy is cool.  You're willing to tolerate it (assuredly as long as you don't have to suffer it's ill effects).  LOL  Like I said, pure comedy gold.

 

Just asking, do have have any true core values or do they constantly change depending on whether an issue involves liberalism or conservatism?  It's actually a rhetorical question, heybruce.

Alarmist rhetoric.  How many shop owners in Portland "have been vandalized, looted and even burnt to the ground"?  How many at the other cities Trump is threatening to send federal forces to are threatened with this?

 

The discussion you are referring to is when you were arguing against responsible fact checking (I can't get the TV search function to pull up the thread). 

 

I did not argue for anarchy in Portland, I argued for letting local authorities who were containing the situation peacefully to be allowed to continue to do so.  Sending in federal troops who snatch people off the streets and throw them into unmarked vans is not the answer.

[metisdead]

Some troll posts have been reported and removed. 

[Morch]

On 7/21/2020 at 11:42 PM, Tounge Thaied said:

All part of the divide and rule (divide and conquer) plan to keep America split. The multiple layer paid protesters are part of the contrived plan folks... there is a reason the so called "founding fathers" coined the term... United We Stand, Divided We Fall. 

 

Tin foil hat stuff. Not a shred of support on offer, naturally.

[Morch]

23 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

LOL.  You're asking the question because you know there's no definitive answer yet.  And as long as names aren't able to be named you can use it as evidence of your position and continue with your bogus position that there's no organization to it.  You people are so transparent.

 

As with any criminal enterprise you'll find a hierarchical structure.  Those at the top will insulate themselves.  To suggest there's no organization when there's plenty of evidence is ludicrous.  But that's your choice.  You won't fool me, though.

 

ANTIFA is, apparently, a well-organized anarchist movement. Also, so secretive, that the only ones fully aware of how it operates are Trump supporters.

[Morch]

On 7/22/2020 at 1:11 PM, i84teen said:

U conveniently forgot this Loh:

07/03/2020

• After ongoing riots around the Hatfield Courthouse, crowds were dispersed only to make a return later into the night.
• Violent Anarchists broke the front window of the Hatfield U.S. Courthouse and shot fireworks into the building.
• Violent anarchists firebombed the building. Federal law enforcement extinguished the fire.

Imagine if rioters did this in Sg or Cn!

Law and order for all, except you.

 

No, you conveniently ignored that the list was touted as comprising of 96 events. How many of these are on a level meriting the sort of response meted by the Trump administration? How many are (yes, still criminal) small change?

[Sujo]

20 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Seems you have a hard time staying on one topic, Trump's response to the violence sweeping our nation is a big plus for him. "Law and Order"

Roger stone

[Sujo]

19 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Portland's major and Oregon's govnur should be held accountable for the destruction they have enabled. How can you vote for a democratic POTUS when this is an example of the future of America.

You do realise this is the present day and under trumps watch and its happening.

[Morch]

19 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Portland's major and Oregon's govnur should be held accountable for the destruction they have enabled. How can you vote for a democratic POTUS when this is an example of the future of America.

 

And yet, more people voted for the Democrat candidate, flawed as she was, on the last elections. Next, the Democrats made electoral gains in the Congress. I don't know if there were any reliable polls regarding the approval ratings of either mayor or governor, but it doesn't seem like the protests and the violence effect the gap between Biden and Trump on the national level. Indeed, it would be interesting to see whether the first pair will suffer any electoral consequences. 

Edited July 23, 2020 by Morch

[Rimmer]

An inflammatory post has been removed

[Tie Dye Samurai]

21 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Portland's major and Oregon's govnur should be held accountable for the destruction they have enabled. How can you vote for a democratic POTUS when this is an example of the future of America.

Because this is THE PRESENT under the current Republican POTUS. 

 

How many Americans who did not vote for Trump in 2016 are saying now "HEY! TRUMP IS NOW MY GUY!!! I WAS WRONG...HE IS THE MAN". Now...how many Americans that gave Trump a chance in 2016 are saying now "I voted for him in 2016 and I was made a huge mistake".

 

MAGA shrinks everyday...November 3rd can not come quick enough...

[Logosone]

On 7/22/2020 at 1:21 PM, Eric Loh said:

Correct me if I am wrong. Federal forces can only be used internally under the Insurrection Act to suppress insurrection (da) and rebellion. Don't see those incidents as insurrection that can't be handled by the state police. Is US different in defining insurrection? 

You're wrong.

 

Check out 40 U.S. Code 1315, which under the Homeland Security Act of 2002 gives the department’s secretary the power to deputize other federal agents to assist the Federal Protective Service in protecting federal property, such as the courthouse in Portland.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/us/politics/federal-agents-portland-arrests.html

[Sujo]

And the portland mayor is gassed during a peaceful protest. Hows the constitution going for the alt right going. Time for them to get the guns out to fight against the govt right?

 

https://news.yahoo.com/portland-mayor-ted-wheeler-booed-gassed-protests-federal-law-enforcement-131548335.html

[MaxYakov]

4 hours ago, Sujo said:

And the portland mayor is gassed during a peaceful protest. Hows the constitution going for the alt right going. Time for them to get the guns out to fight against the govt right?

 

https://news.yahoo.com/portland-mayor-ted-wheeler-booed-gassed-protests-federal-law-enforcement-131548335.html

Which govt? Wheeler's or Trump's? I'd bet you're not a Portland citizen, right?