Pompeo urges more assertive approach to 'Frankenstein' China

[Matzzon]

The Trump puppet has spoken. Heed!

[Ireland32]

9 hours ago, TooBigToFit said:

Frankenstein regime in US calling someone else Frankenstein?

Back it or speak Chinese which I suspect you do already  

[Morch]

9 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Pompeo is like the boy who continue to call wolf repeatedly till no one bother to take attention. 

 

Maybe. But as far as I recall, there was actually a wolf in that story too. So while it may be regrettable that the message is broadcast by the like of Trump and Pompeo, it still doesn't change the fact that the wolf is out there.

[Morch]

3 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

The Chinese is actually bewildered at the decline of democracy and question whether democracy is a better alternative to their political system. Trump has offered a damming representation of the health of US democracy, noting his attacks on the rule of law and fact-based journalism. They see American democracy as not infinitely durable, especially when the president shows little respect for its tenets. They see a deterioration of democracy, break down in law and order and an increasing incoming gap. They see homelessness, gun violence and wonder what so good about democracy. Ultimately the Chinese in China just want to see their leaders deliver their promises and if they continue to deliver, they will accept their political system.  

 

And for all that (Corona and Covid-19 aside) there are still quite a lot of Chinese wanting to live, study and work in that awful democratic failure. Same goes for people from many other countries. Go figure.

[Deli]

6 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Too many examples although the fall of the Berlin Wall comes to mind. 

 

MAGA 

Was a big, big mistake bringing the wall down. How it was a big mistake to let the Chinese commies enter freely everwhere.

[Damual Travesty]

10 hours ago, TooBigToFit said:

Frankenstein regime in US calling someone else Frankenstein?

Not really a time for jokes. You may soon see what it looks like to see a rising power try to assume more power. It won't be funny. Taiwan reporting daily Chinese flyovers, Hong-Kong, and China claiming the entire South China sea, and Philippine territorial waters right off their coast, and bullying local fishing and commerce.  It's coming to a head, and soon. Nothing is funny. At all.

[Damual Travesty]

7 hours ago, Brunolem said:

Reminds of these 70s movies, such as Dracula (think USA) vs Frankenstein (think China).

 

You think this is a joke? Really?

[Damual Travesty]

4 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

The Chinese is actually bewildered at the decline of democracy and question whether democracy is a better alternative to their political system. Trump has offered a damming representation of the health of US democracy, noting his attacks on the rule of law and fact-based journalism. They see American democracy as not infinitely durable, especially when the president shows little respect for its tenets. They see a deterioration of democracy, break down in law and order and an increasing incoming gap. They see homelessness, gun violence and wonder what so good about democracy. Ultimately the Chinese in China just want to see their leaders deliver their promises and if they continue to deliver, they will accept their political system.  

Nationalism is being stoked - and this is not going to end well for China. That is for sure. The first skirmish will be very soon if they do not back off. Quickly. They are miscalculating U.S. resolve, and they had better build some more Navy before they decide to push their claims to the South China sea, and attack Taiwan. The better sooner then later idea they are having is going to end disastrously! War won't be very good for the Chinese economy that is for sure.

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

Not really a time for jokes. You may soon see what it looks like to see a rising power try to assume more power. It won't be funny. Taiwan reporting daily Chinese flyovers, Hong-Kong, and China claiming the entire South China sea, and Philippine territorial waters right off their coast, and bullying local fishing and commerce.  It's coming to a head, and soon. Nothing is funny. At all.

Don't forget Japan is also under threat and scrambling fighter jets against all Chinese military aircraft taking off from an air base in Fujian Province, as tensions continue between the two countries over the Senkaku Islands. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/07/19/national/japan-china-fighters-senkakus/

 

China is on an offensive and needs to be stopped

[rabas]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

Maybe. But as far as I recall, there was actually a wolf in that story too. So while it may be regrettable that the message is broadcast by the like of Trump and Pompeo, it still doesn't change the fact that the wolf is out there.

And now the wolf is saying don't listen to the little boy, as wolves will do.

 

[Enzian]

5 hours ago, ThaiFelix said:

Oh so it was the US who defeated Nazi Germany??  I suppose the rest of the allies, for years before the US joined in, were on kitchen duty??  Is this New World History 101?

The UK was being kept alive by US aid before the US officially entered, France was out, Spain was neutral, Italy was with Hitler, the Americans were instrumental to the invasion, the western front gave Russia time to hold out and drained the German effort; the US lost over 400,000 dead service people. If the US had completely stayed out the English might be speaking German now. 

[DrTuner]

In case you didn't notice, China is now trying to rope US neighbours into the debt trap using a "vaccine" as a lure to get the countries into debt to China and then as they do, demand they get to have a military base or the debt becomes immediately payable. They got it well practised down in Africa.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/23/americas/china-billion-vaccine-latin-america-coronavirus-intl/index.html

 

Does Xi really think nobody is watching or is he just dumb?

 

But, an instruction guide for those that want to build their own commie empire:

 

1. Harvest bats with viruses

2. Experiment with gain of function until you get a few good candidates. Create a vaccine.

3. Release a minor version at home to let your underlings get immunity. Casualties acceptable. Vaccinate the troops later to maintain the smoke screen.

4. Wait a bit and release a more lethal version at enemy grounds. 

5. Wait until enemies get infected

6. Offer the vaccine ( which does not have to work ) in exchange for debt to poorer countries

7. Trigger the debt trap and get military bases in new vassal states

8. Attack the Great Satan itself

 

And profit. 

Edited July 24, 2020 by DrTuner

[joecoolfrog]

15 hours ago, pgrahmm said:

By most any measure China is a rogue state spreading it's tentacles physically, economically, and brutishly.....

Absolutely but it has not changed one iota from 12 months ago , at which time Trump was telling the whole world what a good chap the Chinese premier was.

In addition the White House now wants NATO and other allies to form a cosy alliance , this after dissing them for 3 years !

You might find that when the US has a president who isn't so blatantly self serving , other nations will support him.

[joecoolfrog]

14 hours ago, Enzian said:

The South China Morning Post, mentioned in this article, had a piece a few days ago in which one of its writers speculated that the virus that hit northern Italy did not originate in Wuhan China, but rather somewhere in eastern Europe. This is just one small example of the fact that this tiger does not want to change its stripes. 

Until this year I spent about a third of my time in Europe every year. Now, at 80, I may never be able to do that again in my remaining years. I'm glad to be in LOS where my friends are, and no virus for now, but I take this situation very personally, on an emotional level. Would that the whole world did.

Much of us in the western world do , we just dont put any faith in a self serving , pathological liar in the run up to his re-election vote.

[melvinmelvin]

15 hours ago, pgrahmm said:

By most any measure China is a rogue state spreading it's tentacles physically, economically, and brutishly.....

can agree to that, they have been quite industrious in learning from US

 

[melvinmelvin]

9 hours ago, DrTuner said:

The way to deal with commies: isolate and let implode. Start with cutting them out of the supply chains. Rip off the plaster and do it ASAP.

sounds like quality US thinking,

surely life and security and safety in the US would improve vastly if VietNam were to be treated that way,

not to mention Laos

 

ain't no one smarter than those in Langley and in the pale house

 

[melvinmelvin]

7 hours ago, GinBoy2 said:

Well you have a point there.

 

But unlike China, the Trump administration has a sell by date, be it this November or another 4 years, but he will be gone, and a different regime will take over

 

I'd guarantee you the CCP and Xi will be around long after most of us have turned to dust!

you are probably right about China and being around, not sure that the 11th will last that long though

 

but when the trumpers leave Penn Ave, will that improve US doings re the rest of the world?

I see no reason to think so, armed  conflict is pure nourishment for US, not good

 

[melvinmelvin]

 

some improvement though,

Pompeo is dying for concerted action and/or a UN mandate, obviously not keen on taking all the blame for

"non-polite" behaviour alone

[Nowisee]

Well said Mike.  
The Chinese Communist Party is an evil regime and needs to be stopped and anyone arguing otherwise is blindly unaware.
You can throw attacks at POTUS, but that administration is taking the right action and the rest of the world has been enlightened, targeted and is responding accordingly.  
Some countries are too poor and too vulnerable or too greedy and have become victims of the CCP, but in time the head of the snake will be cut off.  

[metisdead]

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[Damual Travesty]

9 hours ago, joecoolfrog said:

Absolutely but it has not changed one iota from 12 months ago , at which time Trump was telling the whole world what a good chap the Chinese premier was.

In addition the White House now wants NATO and other allies to form a cosy alliance , this after dissing them for 3 years !

You might find that when the US has a president who isn't so blatantly self serving , other nations will support him.

This American is for the end of the NATO alliance. I favour ending all alliances, and allowing nations who would seek a new alliance with the United States of America - to simply say so. NATO is a bloated mess of Nations some of whom are NOT friendly to the USA and therefore the USA has no business being in alliance with them. They know who they are. Asia likewise. This is not a time for ambiguousness. Other Nations supporting the USA? This is not about the USA begging for defence, nor is it about the USA attempting to force alliances. This is about a rising threat. A Nation, any nation, chooses to analyse that threat and make the appropriate moves for it's defence. Every Nation needs to assess it's own risk and make the appropriate measures of defence posture and associated alliances. It has nothing to do with personality differences with an American leader for good or bad. A nation that basis their decisions on such frivolousness does so at their own peril. That would even include the USA if analysed its foreign relations in such a manner.

[Damual Travesty]

8 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

you are probably right about China and being around, not sure that the 11th will last that long though

 

but when the trumpers leave Penn Ave, will that improve US doings re the rest of the world?

I see no reason to think so, armed  conflict is pure nourishment for US, not good

 

"Armed conflict is pure nourishment for US" may I remind you that China is threatening its neighbours in the South China sea, making territorial claims that threaten the livelihoods of  these nations, and is threatening free flow of global trade in the region, has built military installations in disputed territory. A concerted response is warranted. If war comes that will be China's choice.

[Damual Travesty]

8 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

sounds like quality US thinking,

surely life and security and safety in the US would improve vastly if VietNam were to be treated that way,

not to mention Laos

 

ain't no one smarter than those in Langley and in the pale house

 

A rather strange quote here. Vietnam is under direct Chinese threat regarding loss of territorial waters, and fishing rights due to Chinese incursion - while Laos is a very poor country dependent upon China. What point are you making? Simply asking for clarification as to your meaning.

[Damual Travesty]

17 hours ago, ThaiFelix said:

Oh so it was the US who defeated Nazi Germany??  I suppose the rest of the allies, for years before the US joined in, were on kitchen duty??  Is this New World History 101?

Of course not, but perhaps you could concede that the USA aided a little bit in that effort?

[FritsSikkink]

On ‎7‎/‎24‎/‎2020 at 8:58 AM, pgrahmm said:

By most any measure China is a rogue state spreading it's tentacles physically, economically, and brutishly.....

I think you mean the USA.

[DrTuner]

6 hours ago, Damual Travesty said:

This American is for the end of the NATO alliance. 

Good riddance. Europe is for most part not North Atlantic, they should do a European Defence Union. Let Americas and Little Britain do the atlantic thing. Start by bolstering the border to Russia, another bully, and then drive them out from Crimea. After that appetizer drive the commies back to Motherland and slam the door shut. Could do an example of the illegal Chinese in Prado to get that started.

[Enzian]

I've walked through the "China Town" of Prado and I've never seen an explanation of how the Italians allowed that to develop, nor why they do nothing and allow it to go on. It's actually not a horrible neighborhood, and there is no way of telling who might have documents and who might not, but it is totally egregious. I almost want to say that any country that allows that deserves what they get, and I love the Italians.

[GinBoy2]

40 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Good riddance. Europe is for most part not North Atlantic, they should do a European Defence Union. Let Americas and Little Britain do the atlantic thing. Start by bolstering the border to Russia, another bully, and then drive them out from Crimea. After that appetizer drive the commies back to Motherland and slam the door shut. Could do an example of the illegal Chinese in Prado to get that started.

I've struggled for the past 10 years or so about what exactly the purpose of NATO is in the 21st century.

 

I think the Obama policy of a pivot to Asia was correct for a couple of reasons.

 

I can't really see the prospect of mass tank movements on the Polish/Kaliningrad border in the same way as war games used to imagine tanks rolling over the border into West Germany. 

 

I think Putin, as Head Spook in Chief, has rather cleverly recognized cyber warfare and destabilization is a much more effective, and cheaper way to cripple the West.

 

In the East however, China is the USSR of the 50's & 60's pursuing aggressive military solutions and that in my mind at least demand that the US do, as it did/does in Europe have a robust military in the region

 

So that leaves me wondering what NATO is really for. I don't see the point of having permanent US bases in Europe. Europe is not a poor region it can afford its own defense, with an American alliance of some sort, but not the NATO of today.

 

I would move every single man and piece of machinery out of Europe and redeploy them to Asia. That would send the right signal to the people who need to hear the message.  

Edited July 25, 2020 by GinBoy2

[rvaviator]

19 hours ago, Morch said:

 

And for all that (Corona and Covid-19 aside) there are still quite a lot of Chinese wanting to live, study and work in that awful democratic failure. Same goes for people from many other countries. Go figure.

Go figure ? Try, learning from the best Universities .. Then go back to China and make once fortune ....   Sure many also want to stay .. it's a mix.

 

Would have been interesting to see some statistics

[DrTuner]

27 minutes ago, Enzian said:

I've walked through the "China Town" of Prado and I've never seen an explanation of how the Italians allowed that to develop, nor why they do nothing and allow it to go on. It's actually not a horrible neighborhood, and there is no way of telling who might have documents and who might not, but it is totally egregious. I almost want to say that any country that allows that deserves what they get, and I love the Italians.

Greed. That "Made in Italy" tag in the handbags is a lot cheaper when using illegal cheap Chinese workforce instead of Italian craftsmen. Wife almost flipped when I told her about it, in her mind her Gucci bags are lovingly made by an old master of his trade in an ancient workshop ????

 

It's a real spot of shame. I like the Italians too and wish they'd get rid of that. And require "Made in Italy" to be "Made by Italians" - at least three generations descending at that.