Majority of Scots support independence from UK - YouGov poll

[3NUMBAS]

yet another dodgy poll ,scots know full well when it comes to the crunch they will be in deep doodoo ,as they dont generate enough income to survive esp with oil and gas in the toilet right now

 

a heavilly made up wee jimmy kranky at work again ,leading them over the cliff edge

Edited August 14, 2020 by 3NUMBAS

[IvorBiggun2]

2 hours ago, 7by7 said:

I believe this dramatic change means Scotland should be given the choice of whether to remain part of the UK outside the EU,

But in the referendum they chose to remain in the UK. Job done and get on with life. Just cuz it's now a few years later they can't be expected to have another referendum cuz they want one. For me I wouldn't give 2 <deleted>s if the jocks f***ed off. Bunch of winging ......................... Always blaming the English for their self inflicted woes.

[Rookiescot]

7 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

But in the referendum they chose to remain in the UK. Job done and get on with life. Just cuz it's now a few years later they can't be expected to have another referendum cuz they want one. For me I wouldn't give 2 <deleted>s if the jocks f***ed off. Bunch of winging ......................... Always blaming the English for their self inflicted woes.

Do you think anyone in Scotland gives a sheet as to what you think?

[RuamRudy]

23 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

 

 

He is, without a doubt, my favourite unionist of all time. I wonder where he stands in respect to membership of the EU ...

 

I do hope we get to see more of him during indyref2 - if nothing else, for the pure comedy gold of his performance.

Edited August 14, 2020 by RuamRudy

[Susco]

10 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

But in the referendum they chose to remain in the UK. Job done and get on with life. Just cuz it's now a few years later they can't be expected to have another referendum cuz they want one. For me I wouldn't give 2 <deleted>s if the jocks f***ed off. Bunch of winging ......................... Always blaming the English for their self inflicted woes.

Lot has changed in the UK since 2014, like for example they exited the EU.

 

Take note, when Scotland leave the UK, your scotch will get more expensive, but that's maybe the main reason why don't want them to be independent.

[7by7]

15 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

But in the referendum they chose to remain in the UK. Job done and get on with life. Just cuz it's now a few years later they can't be expected to have another referendum cuz they want one. For me I wouldn't give 2 <deleted>s if the jocks f***ed off. Bunch of winging ......................... Always blaming the English for their self inflicted woes.

 

In 1975 UK the voted to remain in what became the EU. So using your argument the 2016 referendum was wrong and so the result should be ignored.

 

Why have a EU referendum in 2016 just because Farage wanted one?

Edited August 14, 2020 by 7by7

[Baerboxer]

On 8/13/2020 at 5:40 PM, Mavideol said:

finally, now let's see if the government is listening , BJ and the remainers will not be very happy 555

Go Scotland

 

So you think what less than 10% of a countries population thinks should be enough to divide a nation.

 

So much jealousy of the UK, just as the US. 

 

See how you go with Germany, France or Aussie stepping up to the plate to defend democracy when Vlad or Xi decide to make a grab.

[Baerboxer]

15 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

In 1975 UK the voted to remain in what became the EU. So using your argument the 2016 referendum was wrong and so the result should be ignored.

 

Why have a EU referendum in 2016 just because Farage wanted one?

 

1975 to 2016 - 41 years. That would put the next Scottish Referendum at about 2055.

 

Sounds about right for the next Ms Sturgeon's once in a lifetime as long as she likes the result referendum!

Edited August 14, 2020 by Baerboxer

[Baerboxer]

23 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Do you think anyone in Scotland gives a sheet as to what you think?

 

Do you think the 90+ rest of the UK population give a sheet what the less than 10% of the UK population think?

[Baerboxer]

51 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Wow thats unionist bingo and your cards full lol.

 

Remainers in England hoping to spite the Brexiteers? What about the majority in Scotland now in favour of independence? Might they have something to do with it?

 

No one in Scotland is talking about independence? Do you live in a cave or something? Ruth Davidson never stopped talking about independence. Nor did Mundell. Or Scotland in Union. Or the Scotsman. Or the Herald. Or the Record. Or the BBC. Basically Unionists never shut up about independence.

 

Currency. Ah the old chestnut which was answered so many times back in 2014 but unionists still cant hear the answer. Initially we will retain the pound. After that we will adopt our own currency or the Euro as the situation dictates. Every other country which left the Empire managed to do the same. Scotland will be no different. Might I suggest if we do adopt our own currency we call it the Johnson. 100 Boris's to a Johnson. After all we should celebrate and remember the one single man who has done more for Scottish independence than anyone else. 

Spains veto? Have you been in cryogenic suspension since 2014. Spain has said it has no issues with Scotland joining the EU. None. 

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-spain-politics-scotland/spain-would-not-oppose-future-independent-scotland-rejoining-eu-minister-idUKKCN1NP25P

 

Debt? Scotland has no debt. We might take on some of the UK's debt after we leave but only if whats left of the UK plays nice. We went into the union with no debt and none of that debt is in Scotlands name.

 

You think people paid attention to the supermarkets? No what swung the vote to NO was the infamous vow delivered and organised by Brown during the period of purdah. A vow which was never delivered as there was never any intention to deliver it.

 

Greece eh? Always loved that analogy. So Scotland is such a basket case it cant stand on its own two feet. This is a situation which has come to pass while we are in the union. How is that a positive for staying in the union? The union has us so broken we are the same as Greece? Makes absolutely no sense. And if we are a total wreck why is Westminster so desperate to keep us? A conservative government which would sell its grandma just for the mineral rights to her kidney stones? Please.

 

Sex pest Alex Salmond? Who was found to be innocent  not once but twice in courts of law. I hope Salmond reads this and takes you to court for such an accusation. Always the smear with die hard unionists never the evidence. 

Show me anything which was signed by the Scottish and Westminster governments which stated the referendum was once in a generation. Oh you mean throw away lines in an interview should now be cast iron? OK Johnson said he would rather be "Dead in a ditch" rather than ask for an extension. Which ditch should we all be looking in for Johnsons corpse?

 

In fighting in the SNP? Dream on mate. 

 

Corona virus? Dear oh dear. You really are scraping the bottom of the barrel now. Scotlands performance versus Englands performance over corona is a non starter. I certainly would not want to make political points regarding such a thing. However I will point out that Nicolas Sturgeons approval rating in Scotland is +50. Johnsons is -54. Who do you think the Scottish people think handled the crisis better?

Which party is polling 57% of voting intention at the next Hollyrood election.

Which side is polling a majority with regards to independence. 

The union is over. Get used to it.

 

Keep shouting about how you are a silent majority though. I love that stuff. 

 

 

 

Who says you'll retain the pound?

 

The arrogance of Scottish Independence supporters is breathtaking.

 

They really think they, about 3-5% of the UK population will dictate what they want, when the want it and how they want to the vast majority of the population.

 

The really do believe wee Nicola's fairy land rhetoric.

 

If you think the people in England, Northern Ireland, Wales and the unionists in Scotland are just gonna roll over  your're as mad as wee Nicola herself.

 

Btw, after Covid, she and her mates have to account for how Alec Salmond was treated, and why.

Edited August 14, 2020 by Baerboxer

[7by7]

10 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

1975 to 2016 - 41 years. That would put the next Scottish Referendum at about 2055.

 

Sounds about right for the next Ms Sturgeon's once in a lifetime as long as she likes the result referendum!

 Point missed; not surprised.

[7by7]

7 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Do you think the 90+ rest of the UK population give a sheet what the less than 10% of the UK population think?

 If you don't 'give a sheet' about what the majority of the population of Scotland thinks, why do you care so much about them wanting independence?

[Scott]

Trolling meme removed.  It's a discussion forum. 

 

[Susco]

49 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

So you think what less than 10% of a countries population thinks should be enough to divide a nation.

Since the UK actually is a union of the countries England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, same as the EU is a union of countries, I'm not sure where you get your 10% from.

 

The UK Prime Minister's website has used the phrase "countries within a country" to describe the United Kingdom.

 

How many percent of the EU represented the 51% brexiteers?

Edited August 14, 2020 by Susco

[Rookiescot]

52 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Who says you'll retain the pound?

 

The arrogance of Scottish Independence supporters is breathtaking.

 

They really think they, about 3-5% of the UK population will dictate what they want, when the want it and how they want to the vast majority of the population.

 

The really do believe wee Nicola's fairy land rhetoric.

 

If you think the people in England, Northern Ireland, Wales and the unionists in Scotland are just gonna roll over  your're as mad as wee Nicola herself.

 

Btw, after Covid, she and her mates have to account for how Alec Salmond was treated, and why.

Can you stop us using the pound? Heres the answer. No you cant.

It matters not what you believe the overall population think. Its what the people of Scotland think that matters. The views of English nationalists are of little consequence.

Fairy land? Is that the one full of unicorns?

Why do the opinions of England Wales and Northern Ireland matter? Did you worry about the opinions of Germany, France and all the other EU nations when you decided to vote for Brexit?

 

[Scott]

Inflammatory posts and replies removed.   Keep it civil or you will receive a suspension.  

 

[adammike]

4 hours ago, hugh mckee said:

I'm Scottish, lived here all my 55 years, I never hear anyone talking about independence, this is the press as usual but also brexit nonsense is now being thrown in to the mix, basically remainers from England hoping Scotland leave to spite the Brexiteers, it's quite pathetic.

 

as i said no one talks about independence, there's no debate going on, for instance what currency scotland would use, how they are going to get back into the EU when Spain have their big Catalonia problem and how Scotland can take on their share of the UK debt without it's economy collapsing?

 

in 2014 one week before the referendum Yes took the lead and then the supermarkets came out and said that shopping in Scotland would be more expensive if they were independent, that was enough to send the polls the opposite way.

 

Scotland would be more like Greece of 2 years ago if the became independent, we Scots don't want that and I am one of the silent majority who will vote to stay

just as before but the sex pest Alex Salmond said last time this was a "once in a generation vote" so BJ stick to your guns don't allow another vote, the SNP is full of

in-fighting and are about to implode, just give them another couple of years, some are already gunning for Sturgeon.

 

and by the way Scotland has one of the worst covid death rates in the world, thousands died because they empoted the hospitals of old folks they could send back to a home without testing any of them, it caused a massacre of our old folks!..............have no clue why they can say Sturgeon and her government have handled this well as the numbers of dead show they havent.

Scotland can use any  currency they choose,they also understand that if the stick with sterling they have no say in policy.The EU policy is that any nation that joins the EU must adopt the Euro.Spain will not object as long as Scotland leaves the union in a lawful manner. 

[hugh mckee]

Alex Salmond is a sex pest, it's only liable if it's not true, he admitted in court to his sexual conduct, he denied rape or breaking any laws but he admitted

to many other things which me be why he turned up in court every day with his sister and not his wife, the behaviour he admitted to in court was shameful

and for a guy who was the SNP's poster boy for decades.

 

no one talks about inedpendence in Scotland, except, the press, politicians and those loonies that go about with their faces painted blue and white,

like the idiots standing at the border in full PPE shouting at cars telling the English to go home, embarassed to be Scottish when I saw that

 

and as far as economics go there will never be an argument of how Scotland will be financially better of in the short to medium term because a solution doesn't exist,

maybe 30 or 40 years from now??? after a lot of pain for it's population in the meantime, oil is finished, no new oil fields can make a profit in the north sea  at under $80.

 

Scotland will go through years of pain, upheaval and torment and for what so a bunch of politicians can get their egos satisfied despite the costs, this is not some romantic Netflix Scottish made up story box set or even more made up <deleted> Braveheart, this is about real lives and right now Scotland is a very prosperous country, why risk that on the word of these politicians, the likes of Alex Salmond.

 

If i was English I would be saying let them go and good riddance but I hope that's not how they feel? without the Union Scotland would be far worse off,

England subsidises Scotland and puts up with a lot of <deleted> from them, this is 2020, oil is finished, the money's spent, yes the Uk benefitted from this so I'm not

ashamed to be subsidised now as we more than paid our share in the past, maybe to go when oil was booming might have made financial sense? to go when it's finished

makes no sense unless you are one of those loony nationalists

 

p.s, under our SNP government, we are in number one in europe for drug deaths and number 2 for alcohol deaths, we are number 3 for covid deaths behind England and Spain, despite the fact scotland's population density is 1/6th of England's, we are easily in front for covid deaths for countries with populations of 6 million or under, not one of these small countries even comes close to our death toll, yes Scotland is truly a world leading nation but for all the wrong things and this all under our beloved Nicola and her SNP government.

Edited August 14, 2020 by hugh mckee

[hugh mckee]

5 hours ago, 7by7 said:

I am English, lived in England for all but 1 year of my 64 years.

 

Prior to 2016, never heard anyone talking about leaving the EU.

 

So, using your argument, we shouldn't have had a referendum in 2016!

UKIP won the european election in the UK in 2014,  have you not heard of a guy called Nigel Farage? he's been around in politics for about the last 20 years

talking about leaving the E.U, very strange comment to make.

 

[Rookiescot]

7 hours ago, hugh mckee said:

Alex Salmond is a sex pest, it's only liable if it's not true, he admitted in court to his sexual conduct, he denied rape or breaking any laws but he admitted

to many other things which me be why he turned up in court every day with his sister and not his wife, the behaviour he admitted to in court was shameful

and for a guy who was the SNP's poster boy for decades.

 

no one talks about inedpendence in Scotland, except, the press, politicians and those loonies that go about with their faces painted blue and white,

like the idiots standing at the border in full PPE shouting at cars telling the English to go home, embarassed to be Scottish when I saw that

 

and as far as economics go there will never be an argument of how Scotland will be financially better of in the short to medium term because a solution doesn't exist,

maybe 30 or 40 years from now??? after a lot of pain for it's population in the meantime, oil is finished, no new oil fields can make a profit in the north sea  at under $80.

 

Scotland will go through years of pain, upheaval and torment and for what so a bunch of politicians can get their egos satisfied despite the costs, this is not some romantic Netflix Scottish made up story box set or even more made up <deleted> Braveheart, this is about real lives and right now Scotland is a very prosperous country, why risk that on the word of these politicians, the likes of Alex Salmond.

 

If i was English I would be saying let them go and good riddance but I hope that's not how they feel? without the Union Scotland would be far worse off,

England subsidises Scotland and puts up with a lot of <deleted> from them, this is 2020, oil is finished, the money's spent, yes the Uk benefitted from this so I'm not

ashamed to be subsidised now as we more than paid our share in the past, maybe to go when oil was booming might have made financial sense? to go when it's finished

makes no sense unless you are one of those loony nationalists

 

p.s, under our SNP government, we are in number one in europe for drug deaths and number 2 for alcohol deaths, we are number 3 for covid deaths behind England and Spain, despite the fact scotland's population density is 1/6th of England's, we are easily in front for covid deaths for countries with populations of 6 million or under, not one of these small countries even comes close to our death toll, yes Scotland is truly a world leading nation but for all the wrong things and this all under our beloved Nicola and her SNP government.

What shocking behavior did Alex Salmond admit to in court? Everyone knows his trial was a stitch up. What went wrong is that you couldnt convince the jury Salmond was a sex pest so the entire thing fell on its backside. Unionists across the country were devastated. Still never come to terms with the result have you guys?

 

What makes me embarrassed to be Scottish is seeing unionists attacking people in George Square. Or giving Nazi salutes. 

 

England cant subsidise itself never mind anywhere else. Hence why the UK government runs a massive deficit year on year. Scotland has no deficit. We get some of our money back and they call it a generous Barrnett payment and Scotland has to pay for its stuff out of that.

The so called Scottish deficit is run up by Westminster and apportioned to Scotland. Why would an independent Scotland want to be paying for things like foreign wars, HS2, Hinkly point power station, crossrail, new runways at Heathrow and all the other stuff we get a bill for?

It is ludicrous to think any conservative government would be so desperate to keep Scotland if it was costing them money to do so. No the money flows from North to South and Westminster needs Scotland because of that.

 

What metric are you using to measure covid deaths which puts Scotland number 3 on the list of most deaths? Do tell.    

[RuamRudy]

9 hours ago, hugh mckee said:

Alex Salmond is a sex pest, it's only liable if it's not true, he admitted in court to his sexual conduct, he denied rape or breaking any laws but he admitted

to many other things which me be why he turned up in court every day with his sister and not his wife, the behaviour he admitted to in court was shameful

and for a guy who was the SNP's poster boy for decades.

What is a sex pest then? Someone who is tactile and warm? That is how he was described in court. As far as I know, he hasn't refused to reveal how many children he has. He has never texted his second wife to tell he he was leaving her while she was undergoing chemotherapy. He has never used public money to fill the pockets of whichever floozie he was screwing that week. You want to talk about shameful behavior then you insist we remain shackled to the most morally and legally corrupt Tory government in memory? Are you a parody?

 

9 hours ago, hugh mckee said:

no one talks about inedpendence in Scotland, except, the press, politicians and those loonies that go about with their faces painted blue and white,

like the idiots standing at the border in full PPE shouting at cars telling the English to go home, embarassed to be Scottish when I saw that

Your precious union is finished, Hugh, mate - we, the majority, are dismantling more and more of it by the day. It has been knackered for decades and we, the majority are finally helping put it to sleep. What a marvelous feeling that is. 

 

9 hours ago, hugh mckee said:

and as far as economics go there will never be an argument of how Scotland will be financially better of in the short to medium term because a solution doesn't exist,

maybe 30 or 40 years from now??? 

Show us your economic assessment which backs that up. Present the evidence to demonstrate that Scotland is incapable of doing what every other small country does.

 

9 hours ago, hugh mckee said:

no new oil fields can make a profit in the north sea  at under $80.

Why? What are the lifting costs now? Do you know?

 

9 hours ago, hugh mckee said:

Scotland will go through years of pain, upheaval and torment and for what so a bunch of politicians can get their egos satisfied despite the costs, this is not some romantic Netflix Scottish made up story box set or even more made up <deleted> Braveheart, this is about real lives and right now Scotland is a very prosperous country, why risk that on the word of these politicians, the likes of Alex Salmond.

 

If i was English I would be saying let them go and good riddance but I hope that's not how they feel? without the Union Scotland would be far worse off,

England subsidises Scotland and puts up with a lot of <deleted> from them, this is 2020, oil is finished, the money's spent, yes the Uk benefitted from this so I'm not

ashamed to be subsidised now as we more than paid our share in the past, maybe to go when oil was booming might have made financial sense? to go when it's finished

makes no sense unless you are one of those loony nationalists

Dear god, get off your knees and show some backbone, man! Your servility and your meekness is what is embarrassing. 

 

9 hours ago, hugh mckee said:

p.s, under our SNP government, we are in number one in europe for drug deaths and number 2 for alcohol deaths,

Do you think that started in 2007? Do you not think that it might have origins just a little earlier? I moved to Aberdeen in the late 80s and was shocked that there were still council flats in the middle of the city with communal toilets on the landings. Here was a city that was sending billions of pounds a year to London to embellish the South east, yet the locals were living in slum accommodation. I even remember, close to 2000, the council excitedly declaring that all their properties now had their own toilets. That is why Scotland has such social problems - it has been milked dry for decades by successive London governments, and people like you, Hugh, have made that possible.

Edited August 15, 2020 by RuamRudy

[hugh mckee]

6 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

 

What metric are you using to measure covid deaths which puts Scotland number 3 on the list of most deaths? Do tell.    

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/scotland-coronavirus-death-rate-third-worst-world-2880962

 

from the Scotsman!.........oh I suppose those loonies the paint their faces blue and white will say the Scotsman is run by englshmen oe unionists or fools.

 

The latest statistics from the National Records of Scotland, which includes deaths where coronavirus is suspected but not confirmed as no test was carried out, place Scotland third worst in the world for the number of Covid-19 deaths for every million people.

With 4,000 deaths from a population of 5.454 million people, the rate of coronavirus deaths in Scotland has reached 733 for every million, behind England on 767 and Belgium on 842. The UK as a whole has the second worst record with 614 deaths for every million people.

 

Nicola Sturgeon said the 4,000 number was “far higher than any of us would wish” and that the overall downward trend in numbers “did not console all those who have lost loved ones”.

But the First Minister was criticised for other new figures which showed just 18,110 care home staff, around a third of Scotland’s 53,500-strong care home workforce, had been tested for the virus, despite a Scottish Government pledge three weeks ago for universal, routine testing. A total of 15,349 residents, from 35,000, had also been tested.

[hugh mckee]

12 minutes ago, hugh mckee said:

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/scotland-coronavirus-death-rate-third-worst-world-2880962

 

from the Scotsman!.........oh I suppose those loonies the paint their faces blue and white will say the Scotsman is run by englshmen oe unionists or fools.

I'm in Scotland,  not Thailand, I know things have been catastrophic here, and I repeat our popilation density is 1/6th of England's, there is no way we should even be close to England's total, for countries under 6 million we are massively ahead of every small nation, only Ireland with half our death toll comes remotely close.

 

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Edited August 15, 2020 by hugh mckee

[Baerboxer]

17 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 Point missed; not surprised.

 

The point is Cameron introduced the Brexit referendum for his political agenda - and lost.

 

Salmond and Sturgeon introduced the Scottish referendum to further their political agendas and lost. Sturgeon took advantage to grab the SNP leadership and has been agitating for another referendum ever since - as long as she can pick the timing, the wording and maybe lower the voting age!

 

Both were announced as once in a lifetime.

[Baerboxer]

18 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 If you don't 'give a sheet' about what the majority of the population of Scotland thinks, why do you care so much about them wanting independence?

 

The UK is my country. I am British. I don't want any minority, a tiny minority at that, dictating anything that affects my country.

 

That isn't democracy. 

[tebee]

18 hours ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

But in the referendum they chose to remain in the UK. Job done and get on with life. Just cuz it's now a few years later they can't be expected to have another referendum cuz they want one. For me I wouldn't give 2 <deleted>s if the jocks f***ed off. Bunch of winging ......................... Always blaming the English for their self inflicted woes.

So once we have an election we need never have another?

Things change, that;s why we keep having elections.

Democracy is not decided by one vote.

 

[Baerboxer]

17 hours ago, Susco said:

Since the UK actually is a union of the countries England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, same as the EU is a union of countries, I'm not sure where you get your 10% from.

 

The UK Prime Minister's website has used the phrase "countries within a country" to describe the United Kingdom.

 

How many percent of the EU represented the 51% brexiteers?

 

Absolute nonsense. The structure of the UK is not the same as the EU. 

 

UK Prime Ministers, as with other UK politicians use many phrases which they consider beneficial to use.

 

 

[Baerboxer]

2 minutes ago, tebee said:

So once we have an election we need never have another?

Things change, that;s why we keep having elections.

Democracy is not decided by one vote.

 

 

That's true. And it's also true that referendums are only advisory under the UK's constitution; the government resides in Westminster and the government, and only the government, as the authority to allow an advisory referendum.

 

Democracy is not decided by a tiny minority trying to dictate their preferred agenda.

[CorpusChristie]

8 minutes ago, tebee said:

So once we have an election we need never have another?

Things change, that;s why we keep having elections.

Democracy is not decided by one vote.

 

This wasnt an election though .

It was a referendum or are you suggesting that Scots should vote every four years on whether they want to remain in the UK  and thus continually leaving and rejoining (dependent on the vote ) 

[Baerboxer]

4 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

This wasnt an election though .

It was a referendum or are you suggesting that Scots should vote every four years on whether they want to remain in the UK  and thus continually leaving and rejoining (dependent on the vote ) 

 

Interesting. IIRC Ms. Sturgeon previously said that should Scotland vote to leave the UK one of her first bits of legislation would be to lay down very strict criteria on any future referendum.

 

She basically wants the referendum to be on a simple first past the post majority (1 will be enough) until she gets the result she wants. Then be so complicated with so many high qualifying %'s as to make it's reversal almost impossible.

 

Hail the leader!