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[Meat Pie 47]

The US has 4% of the world's population but 25% of its coronavirus cases

Trump supporters explain

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/30/health/us-coronavirus-toll-in-numbers-june-trnd/index.html

[Scott]

You are welcome to discuss the situation in the US if you wish to, but political discussions, per se, are not permitted in this section of the forum.  The World News has plenty of topics of that nature.  

 

The US is a large and diverse country, known for a fair amount of personal freedoms that are not easily or legally curtailed.   The virus did not strike the country in a uniform manner.  The North East was hit early and hit hard, but there was little evidence of much danger in much of middle America.   It's hard to get people to cooperate with restrictions for something that they don't see as an immediate danger.   The Southern States and California were hit hard next.   At this point, it is more prevalent in the rural areas that it had been in the past.  

Discussion of how the pandemic has been handled should be taken in the context that hindsight is 20/20.   The pandemic is not over and what can or should be done going forward is open to discussion.  

 

In short keep discussion on topic and civil.

 

[Matzzon]

I would assume that it has to do with a lack of control of the so called country. In the USA the individual states are given such great freedoms to deal with things the way they see suitable. Things like that might lead to complications. Taken into consideration that they also chose all from movie stars to entertainment and hotel empire specialists for all important posts from governors to presidents. Yeah, I would say that would be a great contribution to the result of the pandemic in the USA.

[RichardColeman]

3 hours ago, Meat Pie 47 said:

The US has 4% of the world's population but 25% of its coronavirus cases

Trump supporters explain

America has the highest death.

 

30% of all Americans are obese - they did not get fat under Trump - even a sensible Trump opponent can see that.

 

New York reported 99.3% of all deaths had other diagnosed medical conditions - they did not get that under Trump either.

 

 

 

 

[bendejo]

IMO it's about mixed messages.  Not everyone is inclined to follow the news throughout the day, so those who try to do what is necessary may be following recommendations they heard that morning, unaware that those recommendations had been retracted for one reason or another an hour later. 

(How's that for putting it diplomatically?)

 

While I don't believe it to the be the case, it almost seems there is some entity somewhere that is fostering this disaster, attempting to maximize the tragedy.  And of course whether it actually is a tragedy depends where you are situated.

 

 

Edited August 22, 2020 by bendejo

[PatOngo]

It took the North Vietnamese 10 years to kill 58,000 Americans (includes American friendly fire), It's taken China 6 months to kill 176,000 Americans and 800,000 deaths globally with their filthy virus, what price should China pay? 

[rabas]

6 hours ago, Meat Pie 47 said:

The US has 4% of the world's population but 25% of its coronavirus cases

Trump supporters explain

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/30/health/us-coronavirus-toll-in-numbers-june-trnd/index.html

Not about politics. It's often said the US consumes 25% of the world's resources. A lot of oil resources are for transportation. The US is also responsible for 39.9% of global domestic air traffic (passenger km.).

 

The obvious scientific conclusion is that doing stuff spreads the virus. WHO knew?  A recent study also showed the majority of the initial spread was due to air traffic,  although WHO said don't worry.

 

What about testing? Today a report on ARS Technica reports that 99% of a commercial fishing crew was tested before debarking and all were negative. 108 of the 122 crew were infected during their isolated voyage.

 

The idea that large advanced nations should be immune is backwards. 

 

 

 

Edited August 23, 2020 by rabas

[rcummings]

10 hours ago, PatOngo said:

It took the North Vietnamese 10 years to kill 58,000 Americans (includes American friendly fire), It's taken China 6 months to kill 176,000 Americans and 800,000 deaths globally with their filthy virus, what price should China pay? 

Whereas China with all its might and resources could only kill 26 vietnamese to date. So it's all about China, is it?

[timendres]

10 hours ago, PatOngo said:

It took the North Vietnamese 10 years to kill 58,000 Americans (includes American friendly fire), It's taken China 6 months to kill 176,000 Americans and 800,000 deaths globally with their filthy virus, what price should China pay? 

China shutdown all domestic travel, but allowed international travel to continue for six weeks after that. How that is not an act of war, I will never know.

[farang51]

11 hours ago, PatOngo said:

It's taken China 6 months to kill 176,000 Americans and 800,000 deaths globally with their filthy virus, what price should China pay? 

At least the same that the US paid for starting their filthy virus in 1918.

[Sujo]

20 minutes ago, timendres said:

China shutdown all domestic travel, but allowed international travel to continue for six weeks after that. How that is not an act of war, I will never know.

You mean other countries let them in. An act of stupidity. But as you know, the virus entered the US ftom europe.

 

 

[PatOngo]

48 minutes ago, rcummings said:

Whereas China with all its might and resources could only kill 26 vietnamese to date. So it's all about China, is it?

Where did it originate?

[rcummings]

48 minutes ago, PatOngo said:

Where did it originate?

China. As do most influenza strains, as well. Does that mean influenza is China's fault.?

Yes China was very slow to report on the virus. But does that mean that the USA responded competently to it? Why is it that nations like Taiwan, Vietnam, South Korea, Thailand responded so much more effectively?

[rcummings]

1 hour ago, timendres said:

China shutdown all domestic travel, but allowed international travel to continue for six weeks after that. How that is not an act of war, I will never know.

Because China wanted to wreck the world economy on which it so highly depends? You got some proof of intent?

[meand]

It is what it is. 

 

Trump has a lot on his plate. He has got to worry about being reelected so he can save the world from this other guy. 

[PatOngo]

23 minutes ago, rcummings said:

China. As do most influenza strains, as well. Does that mean influenza is China's fault.?

Yes China was very slow to report on the virus. But does that mean that the USA responded competently to it? Why is it that nations like Taiwan, Vietnam, South Korea, Thailand responded so much more effectively?

I would agree with most of that. Flu is'nt China's fault but covid19 is. American response, in my opinion was due to the breakdown in leadership, I think the medical people were very plausible but the leader is a fool with a separate agenda, re election is more important to him than the good of the people. I would take Thailand's covid figures with a grain of salt!

[ukrules]

1 hour ago, rcummings said:

China. As do most influenza strains, as well. Does that mean influenza is China's fault.?

Yes

[rcummings]

1 hour ago, PatOngo said:

I would agree with most of that. Flu is'nt China's fault but covid19 is. American response, in my opinion was due to the breakdown in leadership, I think the medical people were very plausible but the leader is a fool with a separate agenda, re election is more important to him than the good of the people. I would take Thailand's covid figures with a grain of salt!

If Covid were a serious problem in Thailand the government hospitals would be overrun with patients. No sign of that happening at all.

[Sujo]

46 minutes ago, ukrules said:

Yes

So whos fault was it to have so many deaths in US.

[timendres]

3 hours ago, rcummings said:

Because China wanted to wreck the world economy on which it so highly depends? You got some proof of intent?

When you willingly, and with forethought, deliver a payload of death, I am not sure I care what your "intent" was.

[timendres]

4 hours ago, Sujo said:

You mean other countries let them in. An act of stupidity. But as you know, the virus entered the US ftom europe.

No, I don't know that the virus entered the US from Europe. Much evidence points to infections in the US as early as February. Where would that have come from? And the US shut down flights from China, against WHO recommendations, very early, and got lambasted for doing so. China's actions are irrefutable.

[rcummings]

5 minutes ago, timendres said:

When you willingly, and with forethought, deliver a payload of death, I am not sure I care what your "intent" was.

The question is whether there was intent. "Willingly and with forethought" signifies intent. So not really an unbiased question, is it?

[rcummings]

7 minutes ago, timendres said:

No, I don't know that the virus entered the US from Europe. Much evidence points to infections in the US as early as February. Where would that have come from? And the US shut down flights from China, against WHO recommendations, very early, and got lambasted for doing so. China's actions are irrefutable.

Maybe you don't know that, but epidemiologists do know that in the worst hit area, the virus did come from Europe:

https://www.contagionlive.com/news/most-early-new-york-covid-19-cases-came-from-europe#:~:text=Instead%2C the majority of introductions,the result of community spread.

Trump waited another 40 days to ban air travel from continental Europe and 44 days to ban travel from the UK and Ireland.

 

Edited August 23, 2020 by rcummings