Popular Post taxin Posted August 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2020 I was advised by a visa agent today in Phuket there is no need to have the minimum 400K required for applying for extension of stay if you have an account with Bangkok Bank, can anyone clarify this ? Seems very odd how this can be an exception. 2 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post richard_smith237 Posted August 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2020 Run !!! Maybe they have an ‘in’ with Immigration and can get their ‘clients’ extensions without the requirement and the Bangkok Bank thing is lost in translation. Otherwise, if what you are saying is exactly as the agent said it, I’d say they are absolutely full of it and you risk taking terrible advice which could compromise your longevity in Thailand. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kadilo Posted August 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) Sounds like the agent has a bank insider who manages to overlook the 400K for a fee and a stamp. Edited August 31, 2020 by Kadilo 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrendsd Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 7 minutes ago, Kadilo said: Sounds like the agent has a bank insider who manages to overlook the 400K for a fee and a stamp. Does the bank insider work for Immigration also? Your assumption is totally incorrect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadilo Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, darrendsd said: Does the bank insider work for Immigration also? Your assumption is totally incorrect ......and yours is illlegal whether thousands do it or not. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FlyingThai Posted August 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Kadilo said: ......and yours is illlegal whether thousands do it or not. Of course it's illegal but very likely exactly how this transaction transpires. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChakaKhan Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Does this 400k apply to tourist visa extensions? Im confused as there are daily changes nowadays in LOS I DO have a BoB acct but maybe 200 bt in there! ..just to keep it active when I leave LOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BritTim Posted August 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2020 There are many agents who arrange extensions without financial proof. The extensions, when granted are valid. However, the agent is making a fraudulent application on your behalf using friendly officials. This is all very typical third world corruption through an intermediary, and you need to decide whether to go with it or not. 15 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BritManToo Posted August 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, BritTim said: There are many agents who arrange extensions without financial proof. The extensions, when granted are valid. However, the agent is making a fraudulent application on your behalf using friendly officials. I think you will find the head of the immigration department is using his authority to grant you a 'special dispensation', as is his right. 14 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BritTim Posted September 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2020 1 hour ago, BritManToo said: I think you will find the head of the immigration department is using his authority to grant you a 'special dispensation', as is his right. A senior official has discretion in certain respects, for instance being allowed to waive funds seasoning when otherwise convinced it is the applicant's own money. The official is not supposed to use his discretion to assist fraudulent applications. This abuse of discretion is rarely punished, but is certainly improper. Also, the discretion is not unlimited. There are certain conditions that only the Minister has the right to waive. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post darrendsd Posted September 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2020 8 hours ago, Kadilo said: ......and yours is illlegal whether thousands do it or not. It's actually not however believe that it is if it makes you happy ???? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matzzon Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 8 hours ago, Kadilo said: ......and yours is illlegal whether thousands do it or not. So, you are saying that the individual power of discretion does not exist? If you deny that, then it will not be illegal. Sorry, but regarding the position I just put you in, you have no option but to deny. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Orton Rd Posted September 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2020 (edited) Of course you do not need money in any Bank, that is why the cost is high to pay off the IO to ignore the money in the bank rule. However, all the ones I looked into could not do the extension at my own office, the ones they use all seem to be up country or the Chonburi area. So if you use that route i imagine you will be stuck with it and what happens if your agent closes down? Illegal or not is not really the problem, going back to your real immigration office after getting extension from offices in areas you do not live in is when the sxxx will hit the fan. It's tempting to fork out around 15k to free up your money but I think you are probably making problems for yourself somewhere down the line. Edited September 1, 2020 by Orton Rd 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 A post describing an illegal procedure has been removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FlyingThai Posted September 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2020 24 minutes ago, Matzzon said: So, you are saying that the individual power of discretion does not exist? If you deny that, then it will not be illegal. Sorry, but regarding the position I just put you in, you have no option but to deny. Power of discretion isn't unlimited and certainly doesn't extend to discretion based on bribery. In fact as soon as bribery and a fraudulent application is involved it renders all future sanctioning void as well. Very unlikely to ever have real life consequences though unless the applicant draws attention to himself for the wrong reasons. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nong Khai Man Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 4 hours ago, BritTim said: There are many agents who arrange extensions without financial proof. The extensions, when granted are valid. However, the agent is making a fraudulent application on your behalf using friendly officials. This is all very typical third world corruption through an intermediary, and you need to decide whether to go with it or not. and you need to decide whether to go with it or not......And IF You have NO Other Choice !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satcommlee Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Your agent has an insider in Bangkok Bank that will help him produce the fraudulent paperwork you require to get your fraudulent visa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxin Posted September 1, 2020 Author Share Posted September 1, 2020 54 minutes ago, Satcommlee said: Your agent has an insider in Bangkok Bank that will help him produce the fraudulent paperwork you require to get your fraudulent visa. My feeling is the same however, this agent openly advertises this in a document which they send out to people at the 1st point of contact. Not saying this makes it legitimate of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailand49 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 15 hours ago, darrendsd said: Does the bank insider work for Immigration also? Your assumption is totally incorrect My assumption is he means the person who works at the immigration desks which checks and reviews the bank accounts not the bank itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketDog Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 15 hours ago, Kadilo said: ......and yours is illlegal whether thousands do it or not. You are arguing with Darrendsd because you clearly stated a reference to a "bank manager", which is what Darrendsd responded to. So you were implying that somebody in the bank was creating a fraudulent document that was then presented to immigration as proof of funds. This manager most certainly does not have a right to commit fraud. Darrendsd was pointing out that it's more likely that the agent is persuading somebody in immigration to overlook the lack of funds. The IO authority may have such discretion. It was not necessary or likely that both were occurring. Why can't you just admit that you mistated your intent or that your comment was illogical? Being a jerk about his reply was your second mistake. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a10ams Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 There was a case recently where someone got their extention last year but dipped below the minimum amount within the time period where the money had to stay untouched in the account. When they went to renew this year, they were told their visa was invalid from the day the funds were short. In effect they were on overstay. What I'm getting at is, if someone decides to look back on the applicant's finances then those who never had sufficient funds in the first place might have some answering to do. PS, as I read this again I wonder how they got through their 90 day reporting if the visa was null and void. Anyway, I read the original story on here so don't blame me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sencelebi Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Don't believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAArdvark Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Is there a possibility that they were referring to the income method? Many people have said the Bangkok Bank was the best bank for getting the [proper overseas coding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, a10ams said: There was a case recently where someone got their extention last year but dipped below the minimum amount within the time period where the money had to stay untouched in the account. When they went to renew this year, they were told their visa was invalid from the day the funds were short. In effect they were on overstay. What I'm getting at is, if someone decides to look back on the applicant's finances then those who never had sufficient funds in the first place might have some answering to do. PS, as I read this again I wonder how they got through their 90 day reporting if the visa was null and void. Anyway, I read the original story on here so don't blame me. Getting past the morality of participating in the national sport of corruption, those are the real questions. Is it possible, how much will it cost, what are the potential consequences if I do get caught out, and what are the odds of that happening? I'd contend that hiring a dodgy (or not) agent to expedite your visa is like buying sausage. I don't really want to know the exact process. I just want to know if I'll be happy with the end result. And am I likely to regret eating the sausage. Edited September 1, 2020 by impulse 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrendsd Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 3 hours ago, RocketDog said: You are arguing with Darrendsd because you clearly stated a reference to a "bank manager", which is what Darrendsd responded to. So you were implying that somebody in the bank was creating a fraudulent document that was then presented to immigration as proof of funds. This manager most certainly does not have a right to commit fraud. Darrendsd was pointing out that it's more likely that the agent is persuading somebody in immigration to overlook the lack of funds. The IO authority may have such discretion. It was not necessary or likely that both were occurring. Why can't you just admit that you mistated your intent or that your comment was illogical? Being a jerk about his reply was your second mistake. There is no persuading involved - it's actively encouraged by Immigration and you don't need to be a member of Mensa to know why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max69xl Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 21 hours ago, Kadilo said: Sounds like the agent has a bank insider who manages to overlook the 400K for a fee and a stamp. It doesn't work like that. The agent pays immigration to get rid of the financial requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max69xl Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 21 hours ago, Kadilo said: ......and yours is illlegal whether thousands do it or not. It's not illegal to use an agent. You don't have know how the agent does it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max69xl Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 19 hours ago, FlyingThai said: Of course it's illegal but very likely exactly how this transaction transpires. It's not illegal to use an agent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 While explaining how an agent could have an ‘inside’ line on immigration overlooking financial requirements, none of the discussion so far entertains how any of this could be specifically related to ‘Bangkok Bank’.... I have no idea how [the 400k omission could be related to Bangkok Bank] and can only assume its a clumsy ‘translation thing'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 9 hours ago, richard_smith237 said: While explaining how an agent could have an ‘inside’ line on immigration overlooking financial requirements, none of the discussion so far entertains how any of this could be specifically related to ‘Bangkok Bank’.... I have no idea how [the 400k omission could be related to Bangkok Bank] and can only assume its a clumsy ‘translation thing'... Not just Phuket and not necessarily an agent. I heard it was specific to Bangkok Bank or Kasikorn, the fee is 15K. I know someone who does it, the stupid thing being he doesn't have to, can't be bothered with doing it himself. This is not new but probably brought to the surface by the amnesty, the more visible the more likely there will be problems in due course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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