On the topic of foreigners, borders, and homogeneous nations

[HandsomeTallFarang]

People from the west have been trained to think that ‘diversity’ is a good thing, when historically, homogenous nations have been the safest, and most successful places. Just look at Japan. It has a greater than 95% Japanese population and virtually has no crime at all. Sure, they’ve got other problems, but my point is: Every people has a right to their own lands. Thailand is for Thailanders. Common people have a stronger bond with each other.

 

So, as far as the outrageous and draconian rules regarding staying here, that is their right. Thais have a right to not want to have foreigners here. This is something Western nations can learn something from. Just look at the racial strife in America right now. Had America been a homogeneous nation and not a ‘melting pot’ mishmash mix of tons of cultures, things would never be this way. You call it xenophobia, I call it “every race has a right to their own lands.”

 

Similarly, If Thailand doesn’t want to welcome foreigners, they can. This idea that every country has to allow unlimited foreigners into their country and shift their demographics, is nonsense. You should be more appreciative that you are allowed to be here, period. Thailand is more evolved than the west in this regard because there is no one with ulterior motives forcing foreigners and ‘diversity’ down their throats, which isn’t a bad thing.
 

Homogenous nations are always better, safer, and more successful than non homogenous nations. Let Thailand make their own rules.

[timendres]

21 minutes ago, HandsomeTallFarang said:

So, as far as the outrageous and draconian rules regarding staying here, that is their right. Thais have a right to not want to have foreigners here. This is something Western nations can learn something from. Just look at the racial strife in America right now. Had America been a homogeneous nation and not a ‘melting pot’ mishmash mix of tons of cultures, things would never be this way.

I suspect the problems you see in the US right now are more deeply rooted in the history of slavery than the concept of a "melting pot". You don't see Italian or Irish riots, now do you?

[Puchaiyank]

In other words...N. Korea is the ideal nation.

[oompie69]

7 hours ago, timendres said:

I suspect the problems you see in the US right now are more deeply rooted in the history of slavery than the concept of a "melting pot". You don't see Italian or Irish riots, now do you?

Not any more, you don't. They've had enough time to sort the turf war out.

[kingdong]

8 hours ago, timendres said:

I suspect the problems you see in the US right now are more deeply rooted in the history of slavery than the concept of a "melting pot". You don't see Italian or Irish riots, now do you?

i did in " the gangs of new york "starring len decapper.

[kingdong]

farangs must realise all they are is guests here and can be evicted whenever the government sees fit

[RichardColeman]

8 hours ago, timendres said:

I suspect the problems you see in the US right now are more deeply rooted in the history of slavery than the concept of a "melting pot".

Rubbish, these twerps are upset about things that happens 200-300 years ago and are just looking for a reason to riot and loot ! Imagine the riots in London if every descendant of families who had a relative taken by the Romans started rioting asking for Italy to make amends and destroy the evil vile colluseum as it was a promotion of slavery, Imagine destroying the pyramids as they were built by many slaves. 

 

These people are just complaining for complaining sake.

 

Get on with it. History - even if you do not like it - is history. Should I really be upset about Roman artifacts ? 

[GinBoy2]

10 hours ago, timendres said:

I suspect the problems you see in the US right now are more deeply rooted in the history of slavery than the concept of a "melting pot". You don't see Italian or Irish riots, now do you?

I pretty much agree with that.

 

The US experiment, and it is still an experiment in general works pretty well, with a huge melting pot.

 

The black American experience is however, no matter how you spin it, is rooted in slavery and segregation. 

 

I often hear on these forums Brits bemoaning American racism. The dirty rotten truth is that it was British ships and British companies that bought sold and transported Africans to the Americas.

 

Britain never really had slaves in their country, but they had no qualms about owning them in the Caribbean and America.

 

Britain essentially nationalized slavery by compensating slave owners for the loss of their 'property', whereas we fought a bloody civil war.

 

That legacy lives with us today, while the British quietly airbrushed it out of their history.

 

 

 

 

[luckyluke]

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

farangs must realise all they are is guests here and can be evicted whenever the government sees fit

 Correct.

However Thailand won't do it directly. 

More create laws and regulations which will make the stay of some that difficult they will leave by their own. 

[faraday]

38 minutes ago, GinBoy2 said:

rotten truth is that it was British ships and British companies that bought sold and transported Africans to the Americas.

And the 'orrible British people, held guns to the gentle American folks' head, forcing them to buy slaves.

 

I have long known about British slave trading, & a lot of it was 'swept under the carpet'.

 

Yes, Johnny English is a rotten tyke. Thank Jebus for those peaceful 'mercans.

 

Your post comes across as blaming someone else..... especially the last sentence.

[mikebike]

I find so much wrong with the OP I don't know where to begin.

 

How does one even begin to compare a historically insular island nation to 2 continents which required invasion, destruction of the indigenous populations, and massive immigration just to be birthed into existence?

 

How does the OP not know that Thailand and Thai people are a melting pot of indigenous, Chinese, Malay, Burmese, Vietnamese, Indian, and Middle eastern peoples?

 

Cultures and people's have been mixing for millennia, this is not some new "western" phenomena of "diversity". It is an acceleration of historical blendings built upon ease of travel and cultural communication, rather than conquest.

[bodga]

11 hours ago, HandsomeTallFarang said:

Homogenous nations are always better

Nope...........erm so my analogy is we are  all fleas on the back of a  dog. Now if  you could remove the lazy  people of the world that would  help no end.

[GinBoy2]

18 minutes ago, mikebike said:

I find so much wrong with the OP I don't know where to begin.

 

How does one even begin to compare a historically insular island nation to 2 continents which required invasion, destruction of the indigenous populations, and massive immigration just to be birthed into existence?

 

How does the OP not know that Thailand and Thai people are a melting pot of indigenous, Chinese, Malay, Burmese, Vietnamese, Indian, and Middle eastern peoples?

 

Cultures and people's have been mixing for millennia, this is not some new "western" phenomena of "diversity". It is an acceleration of historical blendings built upon ease of travel and cultural communication, rather than conquest.

Well Thailand as a country is a result of conquest.

 

The reason the Northeast is essentially Lao, is because of Siamese conquest, the same is true of the Malay south

[bodga]

1 hour ago, GinBoy2 said:

it was British ships and British companies that bought sold and transported Africans to the Americas.

Willingly  supplied and profiteered from by their African relatives,   but  we'll  overlook that all shall we.

[GinBoy2]

54 minutes ago, bodga said:

Willingly  supplied and profiteered from by their African relatives,   but  we'll  overlook that all shall we.

No one is denying that slavery existed before, but it was the British and the triangular trade that promoted it on an industrial scale.

 

Remember that the majority of transported slaves didn't go to the 13 colonies but to the sugar plantations in the British West Indies, that's where the money was to be made