Palestinians win Saudi support but no Arab condemnation of UAE-Israel deal

[webfact]

Palestinians win Saudi support but no Arab condemnation of UAE-Israel deal

 

FILE PHOTO: Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Faisal bin Farhan Al-Saud attends a joint news conference with German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas in Berlin, Germany August 19, 2020. John Macdougall/Pool/File Photo

 

CAIRO (Reuters) - Palestinian leaders won renewed Saudi support for Palestinian statehood at a Wednesday meeting, but did not persuade the Arab League to condemn last month’s normalisation deal between Israel and the United Arab Emirates.

 

At a video conference of foreign ministers, the Palestinian leadership softened its own censure of the UAE for the U.S.-brokered Aug. 13 accord, which is to be formalised at a signing ceremony at the White House next week, but to no avail.

 

"Discussions regarding this point were serious. It was comprehensive and took some time. But it did not lead in the end to agreement about the draft communique that was proposed by the Palestinian side," Arab League Assistant Secretary General Hossam Zaki told reporters.

 

The UAE-Israel accord was the first such accommodation between an Arab country and Israel in more than 20 years, and was forged partly through shared fears of Iran.

 

Palestinians were dismayed by the UAE’s move, fearing it would weaken a long-standing pan-Arab position - known as the Arab peace initiative - that calls for Israeli withdrawal from occupied territory and acceptance of Palestinian statehood in return for normal relations with Arab countries.

 

"We have asked to have a clear condemnation of any breaking out of the Arab peace initiative and we didn’t get it," said Palestinian Foreign Minister Riyad al-Maliki in comments published by the Palestinian WAFA news agency.

 

"But we also succeeded in preventing the issuing of any statement that supports or allows the Emirates to go to Tuesday’s signing with Arab backing for normalising ties with Israel."

 

SAUDI SUPPORT

A Saudi statement on remarks made by Foreign Minister Prince Faisal bin Farhan al-Saud included no direct mention of the normalisation deal.

 

But the prince said Riyadh supported the establishment of a Palestinian state based on the borders in place before the 1967 Middle East war, with East Jerusalem as its capital, according to the statement.

 

The United States, Israel and the UAE have urged Palestinian leaders to re-engage with Israel. On a trip to the Emirates, U.S. President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner said Palestinians should not be "stuck in the past."

 

In televised comments at the meeting, Maliki referred to the accord as a "surprise," and an "earthquake" for Arab consensus, and voiced dismay at the failure to call an emergency Arab summit after the deal was announced.

 

But he avoided stronger words such as "betrayal" that Palestinian leaders had used in the immediate aftermath of the announcement.

 

"The language of denunciation and condemnation prevented agreement," said UAE Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Anwar Gargash, in an interview with Al Arabiya TV late on Wednesday, referring to the Palestinians.

 

(Reporting by Ali Sawafta, Ahmed Tolba, Nidal Al Mughrabi, Maher Chmaytelli, Ulf Laessing, Stephen Farell, and Alaa Swilam, Writing by Ulf Laessing; Editing by Kevin Liffey and Matthew Lewis)

 

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[pegman]

UAE backstabbers bought off by the yanks. 

[ezzra]

27 minutes ago, pegman said:

UAE backstabbers bought off by the yanks. 

UAE knows what is good and best for their county's future, and so far supporting the forever losers the Palestinians brought them nothing, come back in another 50 years and you'll still see the Palestinians in the same place, digging their heels into enduring and endless hate, loathing and poverty...

[Matzzon]

That man really looks like he is ready for war. Wonder if somebody explained to him what a meeting is?

Edited September 10, 2020 by Matzzon

[dexterm]

2 hours ago, ezzra said:

UAE knows what is good and best for their county's future, and so far supporting the forever losers the Palestinians brought them nothing, come back in another 50 years and you'll still see the Palestinians in the same place, digging their heels into enduring and endless hate, loathing and poverty...

By "their country's future" are you referring to the unelected dictators who run the UAE?

I wonder if they would allow a peaceful Palestinian Lives Matter demonstration in Dubai or Abu Dhabi?

 

The formula for peace has been on the table for decades. (67 borders, shared Jerusalem, recognition of Palestinian refugees). Israel could have relations with the whole Arab and Muslim world, if they did not greedily want their cake and eat it too. They want to annex more land but not the indigenous Palestinians who live there.

 

Israelis will be forever looking over their shoulders, and will not have permanent peace until they address the elephant in the room...4.5 million Palestinians under illegal occupation for 53 years in apartheid conditions without civil rights.

 

[anterian]

well worth a read  https://www.vox.com/2015/5/14/18093732/israel-palestine-misconceptions

[geriatrickid]

Palestinians are finding it difficult to threaten the Arabs who keep them living large. 

This is what happens when you keep aligning with the wrong side in a conflict.

Palestinians supported;

- Iraq invasion of Kuwait. This was the  start of the alienation from the Gulf state Arabs

- Iran which has caused alienation with the Gulf  state Arabs, especially KSA

-  Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. When the Egyptian military regained control, they remembered.

- Hamas which  alienates a large portion of Lebanon

-Islamic movements in Algeria and Tunisia which has made Palestinians unwelcome.

- Khaddaffi, resulting in burnt bridges

- Assad annoying Turkey

- Actions to contest Egyptian/Israeli/Cypriot gas exploration

 

 

Palestinians need to hire a PR firm. The old Pallywood productions and protests are so 1980's.

 

 

[geriatrickid]

3 hours ago, dexterm said:

By "their country's future" are you referring to the unelected dictators who run the UAE?

I wonder if they would allow a peaceful Palestinian Lives Matter demonstration in Dubai or Abu Dhabi?

 

The formula for peace has been on the table for decades. (67 borders, shared Jerusalem, recognition of Palestinian refugees). Israel could have relations with the whole Arab and Muslim world, if they did not greedily want their cake and eat it too. They want to annex more land but not the indigenous Palestinians who live there.

 

Israelis will be forever looking over their shoulders, and will not have permanent peace until they address the elephant in the room...4.5 million Palestinians under illegal occupation for 53 years in apartheid conditions without civil rights.

 

You never get tired of posting your biased  political tracts, and you  never mention the millions of  Arab Jewish refugees.

 

Nothing anyone can say or do will  ever change your views. You will keep posting the same tired political slogans until your demise.  Please move to Gaza. they need you. You can give them the leadership they need. Only with your political wisdom can they reach the goal of their sovereign nation. Only you can save them.

 

In the interim, the Arab world will be moving on, past the views and complaints of the palestinians and their enabling  aging left wing supporters.  

[dexterm]

30 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

You never get tired of posting your biased  political tracts, and you  never mention the millions of  Arab Jewish refugees.

 

Nothing anyone can say or do will  ever change your views. You will keep posting the same tired political slogans until your demise.  Please move to Gaza. they need you. You can give them the leadership they need. Only with your political wisdom can they reach the goal of their sovereign nation. Only you can save them.

 

In the interim, the Arab world will be moving on, past the views and complaints of the palestinians and their enabling  aging left wing supporters.  

If the Palestinians don't have a permanent peace, neither does Israel.

 

So what do you propose should happen to the 4.5 million indigenous Palestinians living within the area Israel wants to annex?.. ethnic cleansing Vers 3.0?... to make way for colonialist European immigrants?

 

Whatever perfidious deal UAE makes with Israel, the problem is not going away.

All Palestinians need do is remain exactly where they are in their homeland and increase in numbers, until a concerted effort from Israel's largest trading partner the EU or a new US administration that is serious about actually creating the conditions for a permanent peace, puts pressure on Israel to see sense and give up its expansionism in order to live side by side with its neighbors.

 

Israel wants 3 things: a Jewish State, democracy, and the West Bank. It can only have two of them.

[SpaceKadet]

8 hours ago, ezzra said:

UAE knows what is good and best for their county's future, and so far supporting the forever losers the Palestinians brought them nothing, come back in another 50 years and you'll still see the Palestinians in the same place, digging their heels into enduring and endless hate, loathing and poverty...

And just ask yourself. Who created this Hate, Loathing and Poverty...

First there where the Turks, then British, and at the last Israelis.

It's difficult to be rich and happy when somebody always invades you land.

[CorpusChristie]

4 minutes ago, SpaceKadet said:

And just ask yourself. Who created this Hate, Loathing and Poverty...

First there where the Turks, then British, and at the last Israelis.

It's difficult to be rich and happy when somebody always invades you land.

Many Palestinians are former Jews who converted to Islam due to being unable to keep to the Jewish faiths requirements , like, sending your eldest Child to university  

[ChipButty]

How about the Saudis supporting the uyghurs in China? and the rest of the Muslim nations

[dexterm]

34 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Many Palestinians are former Jews who converted to Islam due to being unable to keep to the Jewish faiths requirements , like, sending your eldest Child to university  

That is entirely possible. And many Jews over the millenia may be converts from other faiths as Ivanka.

A double irony. Same god, same people fighting over the same land all because of religion. Sad.

[puipuitom]

6 hours ago, dexterm said:

By "their country's future" are you referring to the unelected dictators who run the UAE?

I wonder if they would allow a peaceful Palestinian Lives Matter demonstration in Dubai or Abu Dhabi?

 

The formula for peace has been on the table for decades. (67 borders, shared Jerusalem, recognition of Palestinian refugees). Israel could have relations with the whole Arab and Muslim world, if they did not greedily want their cake and eat it too. They want to annex more land but not the indigenous Palestinians who live there.

 

Israelis will be forever looking over their shoulders, and will not have permanent peace until they address the elephant in the room...4.5 million Palestinians under illegal occupation for 53 years in apartheid conditions without civil rights.

Just read History:

The jews bought huge areas of land from Arab land owners living in Damascus etc, never bothering with their arid land on the other side of the Jordan.

A large part was arid, semi desert, and in fact from the Ottoman empire. After the war, as so often, enemy capital was annexed by the winner = Britain and France. When the British left, the Jews accepted a separation, but as ususal, the Arabs, inclusive those, who lived there = Palestinians, refused all. A war started with the aim of the Arabs to push all hews into the sea. Kill, Kill, Kill.. so the local Palestinians were asked to leave, so the Arab armies had free movement to do.

Unfortunately it went different: the Jews won, and conquered area originally in the UN plan for the Palestinians. And as so often, the winner takes it all: remember the British/Yanks, British/Australians, Spanish + Portugese in Southern America: they took it all. The Sowjets: who pushed the Germans and Poles out of a big part of their territory, direction West. Even the Thais annexed the Lanna kingdom.

About 700,000 jews were forced out of Arab territory, where they sometimes already lived over 2500 years. A 400.000 Palestinians left what is now Israel, and fled to refugee camps. When the locals there discovered the UNWRA was supporting the refugees, a 300.000 locals also joined in, getting UNWRA aid. This since 1949, latest a US$ 1,3 BIllion/yr. The Jews... got nothing.

 

Who is grasping what ?

[puipuitom]

1 hour ago, SpaceKadet said:

And just ask yourself. Who created this Hate, Loathing and Poverty...

First there where the Turks, then British, and at the last Israelis.

It's difficult to be rich and happy when somebody always invades you land.

 

1834: Looting of the jewish quarter of Safed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1834_looting_of_Safed

1947 Manama riot against the Jewish community of Manama, in the British Protectorate of Bahrain, on December 5, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Manama_riots

And many after. Think of the Great-Mufti of Jerusalem, who even escaped to Nazi-Germany, set u a Muslim battalion in Bosnia, and only had one wish: clear Palestine of jews, the Nazi way.

[puipuitom]

3 hours ago, dexterm said:

If the Palestinians don't have a permanent peace, neither does Israel.

 

So what do you propose should happen to the 4.5 million indigenous Palestinians living within the area Israel wants to annex?.. ethnic cleansing Vers 3.0?... to make way for colonialist European immigrants?

 

Whatever perfidious deal UAE makes with Israel, the problem is not going away.

All Palestinians need do is remain exactly where they are in their homeland and increase in numbers, until a concerted effort from Israel's largest trading partner the EU or a new US administration that is serious about actually creating the conditions for a permanent peace, puts pressure on Israel to see sense and give up its expansionism in order to live side by side with its neighbors.

 

Israel wants 3 things: a Jewish State, democracy, and the West Bank. It can only have two of them.

Till now the Palestinians even refused any jew living in that area.

[dexterm]

2 hours ago, puipuitom said:

Just read History:

The jews bought huge areas of land from Arab land owners living in Damascus etc, never bothering with their arid land on the other side of the Jordan.

A large part was arid, semi desert, and in fact from the Ottoman empire. After the war, as so often, enemy capital was annexed by the winner = Britain and France. When the British left, the Jews accepted a separation, but as ususal, the Arabs, inclusive those, who lived there = Palestinians, refused all. A war started with the aim of the Arabs to push all hews into the sea. Kill, Kill, Kill.. so the local Palestinians were asked to leave, so the Arab armies had free movement to do.

Unfortunately it went different: the Jews won, and conquered area originally in the UN plan for the Palestinians. And as so often, the winner takes it all: remember the British/Yanks, British/Australians, Spanish + Portugese in Southern America: they took it all. The Sowjets: who pushed the Germans and Poles out of a big part of their territory, direction West. Even the Thais annexed the Lanna kingdom.

About 700,000 jews were forced out of Arab territory, where they sometimes already lived over 2500 years. A 400.000 Palestinians left what is now Israel, and fled to refugee camps. When the locals there discovered the UNWRA was supporting the refugees, a 300.000 locals also joined in, getting UNWRA aid. This since 1949, latest a US$ 1,3 BIllion/yr. The Jews... got nothing.

 

Who is grasping what ?

Disinformation straight out of Zionist "perfect narrative" playbook. Many inaccuracies. Off topic anyway. Another thread another time maybe.

Edited September 10, 2020 by dexterm

[dexterm]

2 hours ago, puipuitom said:

Till now the Palestinians even refused any jew living in that area.

An arrangement could be made to allow illegal Jewish settlers to remain in Palestine if they wanted to, provided that they take out Palestinian citizenship renouncing Israel, and reciprocally that 4.5 million indigenous Palestinians, many of whom still hold title documents and keys to their homes within Israel, are also allowed the right of return back to their confiscated properties within Israel whence they were ethnically cleansed.

 

A more sensible solution of course would be to have a confederation of Israel and Palestine where everyone is allowed to live, work and worship wherever they like. Or better still a single democratic state.

Edited September 10, 2020 by dexterm

[dexterm]

2 hours ago, puipuitom said:

 

1834: Looting of the jewish quarter of Safed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1834_looting_of_Safed

1947 Manama riot against the Jewish community of Manama, in the British Protectorate of Bahrain, on December 5, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Manama_riots

And many after. Think of the Great-Mufti of Jerusalem, who even escaped to Nazi-Germany, set u a Muslim battalion in Bosnia, and only had one wish: clear Palestine of jews, the Nazi way.

Disinformation and off topic. Another thread another time maybe.

[Morch]

8 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

Palestinians are finding it difficult to threaten the Arabs who keep them living large. 

This is what happens when you keep aligning with the wrong side in a conflict.

Palestinians supported;

- Iraq invasion of Kuwait. This was the  start of the alienation from the Gulf state Arabs

- Iran which has caused alienation with the Gulf  state Arabs, especially KSA

-  Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. When the Egyptian military regained control, they remembered.

- Hamas which  alienates a large portion of Lebanon

-Islamic movements in Algeria and Tunisia which has made Palestinians unwelcome.

- Khaddaffi, resulting in burnt bridges

- Assad annoying Turkey

- Actions to contest Egyptian/Israeli/Cypriot gas exploration

 

 

Palestinians need to hire a PR firm. The old Pallywood productions and protests are so 1980's.

 

 

 

It is true that the Palestinian leadership(s) often made (and make) bad decisions. I think a lot of it comes down to being locked in a limiting and limited narrative. Could have been better served by a healthy dose of pragmatism and realism.

 

That said, many of the points mentioned are more to do with one of the Palestinian factions (Hamas) and not the other (the PA). While these may fall under the bad decision label, they are not necessarily general Palestinian positions or moves. Being supported by and supporting Iran, or association with the Muslim Brotherhood, are Hamas things. Wouldn't know that Hamas "alienates a large portion of Lebanon", though.

 

On Abbas's list, you may add effectively severing ties with the UAE over domestic political issues. Not a big surprise the UAE would feel somewhat less committed.

[Morch]

8 hours ago, dexterm said:

If the Palestinians don't have a permanent peace, neither does Israel.

 

So what do you propose should happen to the 4.5 million indigenous Palestinians living within the area Israel wants to annex?.. ethnic cleansing Vers 3.0?... to make way for colonialist European immigrants?

 

Whatever perfidious deal UAE makes with Israel, the problem is not going away.

All Palestinians need do is remain exactly where they are in their homeland and increase in numbers, until a concerted effort from Israel's largest trading partner the EU or a new US administration that is serious about actually creating the conditions for a permanent peace, puts pressure on Israel to see sense and give up its expansionism in order to live side by side with its neighbors.

 

Israel wants 3 things: a Jewish State, democracy, and the West Bank. It can only have two of them.

 

You ignore that this no-permanent-peace situation is much easier to endure on the Israeli side, where it has less of an obvious effect on people's lives. On the Palestinian side(s) things are not necessarily quite as bearable.

 

Your "recommendation" to the Palestinians manages to both ignore and milk their plight while waiting for the outcome promised. And if it does not pan out this way? Too bad for the Palestinians, great for them wannabe "activists" pouring scorn from behind the comfort and safety of their keyboards.

 

The above also ignores Palestinians are not as invested in the sort of solutions and happy endings you go on about. As usual, not a word on Palestinian positions, wishes, politics and whatnot. As far as you are concerned, seems like these are immaterial, irrelevant.

[Morch]

6 hours ago, SpaceKadet said:

And just ask yourself. Who created this Hate, Loathing and Poverty...

First there where the Turks, then British, and at the last Israelis.

It's difficult to be rich and happy when somebody always invades you land.

 

For some posters, it's always someone else's fault and responsibility - anyone but the Palestinians, that is. Nothing whatsoever to do with positions adopted, decisions made, narrative adhered to. Accountability is somehow unacceptable when it comes to this.

 

So yeah, life, history, other people - all of them had a hand in affecting a negative impact. Not contesting that. But at some point, a nation wishing to assert itself needs to own up. It does not imply taking all the blame for anything and everything. It does not mean entirely doing away with their narrative.

[Morch]

6 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Many Palestinians are former Jews who converted to Islam due to being unable to keep to the Jewish faiths requirements , like, sending your eldest Child to university  

 

There are very little present day Palestinians who conform to what you describe. It may have been the case hundreds of years ago, and might be some could trace (but probably, not publicly admit) their ancestry of old. The relevance to the conflict of modern time is doubtful.

[Morch]

2 hours ago, dexterm said:

Disinformation straight out of Zionist "perfect narrative" playbook. Many inaccuracies. Off topic anyway. Another thread another time maybe.

 

2 hours ago, dexterm said:

Disinformation and off topic. Another thread another time maybe.

 

Coming from someone fully engaged in presenting a Palestinian "perfect narrative", that's quite amusing. The same goes for complaints about inaccuracies, or going off tangent with pseudo-historical reviews being off topic. 

[Morch]

2 hours ago, dexterm said:

An arrangement could be made to allow illegal Jewish settlers to remain in Palestine if they wanted to, provided that they take out Palestinian citizenship renouncing Israel, and reciprocally that 4.5 million indigenous Palestinians, many of whom still hold title documents and keys to their homes within Israel, are also allowed the right of return back to their confiscated properties within Israel whence they were ethnically cleansed.

 

A more sensible solution of course would be to have a confederation of Israel and Palestine where everyone is allowed to live, work and worship wherever they like. Or better still a single democratic state.

 

An arrangement between which parties? You and Israel? You and the PA? Not aware of any "arrangements" such as you fantasize about being part of negotiations, or being acceptable to either side. That you are not familiar with facts or positions of sides involved is nothing new, but this nonsense takes it to a new level.

 

The bit about title deeds and keys is one of the catchphrases you add for color and emotive value. Fact? Not so much on both counts. Addressed on many past topics, doesn't seem to phase you one bit.

 

That you push a fringe notion of a confederation or a one-state is at a disconnect with both "sensible" or the positions/wishes of sides involved. But, of course, an outsider's uninformed view is always the best recipe for solving a multi-faceted conflict.

[Morch]

15 hours ago, pegman said:

UAE backstabbers bought off by the yanks. 

 

In what manner did they "backstab" the Palestinians? Was it a real secret relations with Israel were on for quite some time now? Does "backstabbing" apply when the other side's leader (Abbas) severs ties over issues of domestic politics? Is the UAE beholden to uphold Palestinian interests over its own, no matter what?

[Morch]

12 hours ago, dexterm said:

By "their country's future" are you referring to the unelected dictators who run the UAE?

I wonder if they would allow a peaceful Palestinian Lives Matter demonstration in Dubai or Abu Dhabi?

 

The formula for peace has been on the table for decades. (67 borders, shared Jerusalem, recognition of Palestinian refugees). Israel could have relations with the whole Arab and Muslim world, if they did not greedily want their cake and eat it too. They want to annex more land but not the indigenous Palestinians who live there.

 

Israelis will be forever looking over their shoulders, and will not have permanent peace until they address the elephant in the room...4.5 million Palestinians under illegal occupation for 53 years in apartheid conditions without civil rights.

 

 

So here you are again, whining about "unelected dictators". concerned about civil rights and freedom of speech. Funny how none of that matters when KSA stays the course - then it's well-done-ksa, never mind its way more oppressive regime. And, obviously, doesn't matter also with regard to the Palestinians too - both having "unelected" leaderships, both not big on the civil rights and freedom of speech fronts. Guess hypocrisy ain't a bad word.

 

This relatively new bit is followed by the usual collection of copy-pasted slogans and half-truths. As per usual, you fail to mention that the Arab Peace Initiative was rejected by the Hamas. You're also ignoring the fact that even with the conflict remaining unresolved Israel maintains relations with quite a few Arab and Muslim countries (see the OP for latest). The flip side of that is that not all Muslim countries have signed up for the Arab Peace Initiative, and not all the Arab countries are currently in a state to sign or approve of anything much (Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen....).

 

Israel will not have permanent peace until the conflict is resolved. The same goes for the Palestinians. The difference is that the Israelis have their state, and like it or not, the situation is more bearable on their side of the fence. For the Palestinians, having no horizon is a much harsher prospect. You're welcome to ignore that as well.

 

[dexterm]

9 hours ago, Morch said:

 

In what manner did they "backstab" the Palestinians? Was it a real secret relations with Israel were on for quite some time now? Does "backstabbing" apply when the other side's leader (Abbas) severs ties over issues of domestic politics? Is the UAE beholden to uphold Palestinian interests over its own, no matter what?

The dictators who run the UAE reneged on the Peace Initiative they had signed putting $$$ of which they already have plenty above principles. That's backstabbing. If your principles are might is right and the mighty $ trumps human rights, up2u. That would not at all surprise me.

[dexterm]

9 hours ago, Morch said:

 

So here you are again, whining about "unelected dictators". concerned about civil rights and freedom of speech. Funny how none of that matters when KSA stays the course - then it's well-done-ksa, never mind its way more oppressive regime. And, obviously, doesn't matter also with regard to the Palestinians too - both having "unelected" leaderships, both not big on the civil rights and freedom of speech fronts. Guess hypocrisy ain't a bad word.

 

This relatively new bit is followed by the usual collection of copy-pasted slogans and half-truths. As per usual, you fail to mention that the Arab Peace Initiative was rejected by the Hamas. You're also ignoring the fact that even with the conflict remaining unresolved Israel maintains relations with quite a few Arab and Muslim countries (see the OP for latest). The flip side of that is that not all Muslim countries have signed up for the Arab Peace Initiative, and not all the Arab countries are currently in a state to sign or approve of anything much (Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen....).

 

Israel will not have permanent peace until the conflict is resolved. The same goes for the Palestinians. The difference is that the Israelis have their state, and like it or not, the situation is more bearable on their side of the fence. For the Palestinians, having no horizon is a much harsher prospect. You're welcome to ignore that as well.

 

No hypocrisy. I am no fan of the head chopping dictators in KSA either. But they have at least kept their word.

 

The man with a problem for every solution. When you have exhausted all other nitpicking play the Hamas wild card.

 

Just because the bully Israel seems to be temporarily winning does not make it right. Israel has a state but with an as yet undefined eastern boundary..they keep moving it. You place the material comforts of the average Israeli above the moral compass they have lost. 3 years of brutalization and possible death in the IDF, and forever looking over your shoulder is not a lifestyle most western teenagers and their parents would aspire to. Not exactly nirvana.

Spare me your faux sympathy for the Palestinians.

[dexterm]

9 hours ago, Morch said:

 

An arrangement between which parties? You and Israel? You and the PA? Not aware of any "arrangements" such as you fantasize about being part of negotiations, or being acceptable to either side. That you are not familiar with facts or positions of sides involved is nothing new, but this nonsense takes it to a new level.

 

The bit about title deeds and keys is one of the catchphrases you add for color and emotive value. Fact? Not so much on both counts. Addressed on many past topics, doesn't seem to phase you one bit.

 

That you push a fringe notion of a confederation or a one-state is at a disconnect with both "sensible" or the positions/wishes of sides involved. But, of course, an outsider's uninformed view is always the best recipe for solving a multi-faceted conflict.

You appear to be a Nakba denier. No mention of the fact that Israel's ethnic cleansing of half the Palestinian population and their racist refusal to allow their right of return is the root cause of the entire conflict.