Thailand finds second coronavirus infection after long absence

[Artisi]

On 9/11/2020 at 9:32 PM, Dumbastheycome said:

No. Never. Well....maybe?

 

Possibly, or is that a definite maybe? 

[AndrewMciver]

Simple go watch these youtube videos. 

 

Guests who are meant to be in quarantine are chatting and socialising with hotel employers - especially during the 1 hour out door exercise they get. 

 

If the guest or the employer have the virus they will pass it on to each other. 

 

Just really bizarre and an obvious flaw. 

[Elkski]

Very early on there were cases with longer than 14 day incubation.   I think it was 21 days but this data used  as a quarantine period would have given you naysayers a stroke. 

[ThailandRyan]

17 minutes ago, Elkski said:

Very early on there were cases with longer than 14 day incubation.   I think it was 21 days but this data used  as a quarantine period would have given you naysayers a stroke. 

If his incubation period was 28 days as it would seem without him being infected in Thailand then thats a game changer and one for the historical records. A true rare case without known causation 

[geriatrickid]

11 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Arrived in the country Aug 13th [a month ago]... went into quarantine and proved 3 negative tests.

Now he has a positive, a month after arriving, yet he was infected abroad.

Safe trusted Thailand?

It was possible. One case out of thousands.

 

I have no idea if Thailand   has tested its  reagents or where they obtained the reagents used in the tests. It is possible that the reagents were bad. it is also possible that the tests were not administered properly. The swabs used must be of a specific type of polyester on a metal tip.  There may have been a defect in the swabs.

 

In the early phase of Covid19 the reagents were a source of considerable concern. Much of it was sourced from China.

 

 

Edited September 12, 2020 by geriatrickid

[AndrewMciver]

21 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

It was possible. One case out of thousands.

 

I have no idea if Thailand   has tested its  reagents or where they obtained the reagents used in the tests. It is possible that the reagents were bad. it is also possible that the tests were not administered properly. The swabs used must be of a specific type of polyester on a metal tip.  There may have been a defect in the swabs.

 

In the early phase of Covid19 the reagents were a source of considerable concern. Much of it was sourced from China.

 

 

 

CHINA !!!!!!!!!!!!

[JackThompson]

7 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:

Another unnecessary BS video. 

Why is it bull?  Please be specific.  I thought the data was well sourced and presented. 

[Eddy Ozark]

Stupitity has no limits.

[JHicks]

On 9/11/2020 at 3:58 PM, FarFlungFalang said:

Seems to be a few Thais returning and test positive on arrival but don't have to test prior to boarding the plane so also possible he caught it on the flight.It seem beyond the pale that they do this as can be seen some people might get through undetected because of this.It only takes one.  

I wondered about that, but if there had been other positive cases on the same flight, wouldn't they have said so in the press conference? I gather they didn't or it would have been commented on. Also, I think most falang are in business class at the moment whereas most Thai nationals are in economy, so the chances are high that the people sitting near him would have had recent negative tests. Still possible of course but it would take something close to the perfect storm.

[kiwikeith]

On 9/12/2020 at 2:02 AM, edwardandtubs said:

Yes the doctor is talking complete nonsense. There's no evidence at all that someone can go for 14 days after exposure and not test positive.

16 days after release from quarantine he poses no danger to Thai people, he obviously had no contact with the DJ s mob, so no worries. 

These are my orders. 

[FarFlungFalang]

7 hours ago, Sumarianson said:

Close the pubs, stop alcohol sales, close the malls, rush to buy toilet roll, everybody will need them now were all scared #@€&£=!. 

I was in a restaurant 2 weeks ago and a Thai guy came in to eat, he had a constant cough and seemd quite embarrased by it. All the staff and customers were looking at him very badly, almost venomously. All because of a cough. This plandemic has not changed anyone, has it?  

It was suggest by some that I be locked up for having hayfever,so yes this is the new normal where the jack booted nervous narrative nannies live in mortal fear of people spreading germs which is now a criminal offence in some countries that consider themselves civilised.

[FarFlungFalang]

5 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

It was possible. One case out of thousands.

Can you see any cases in the 28.5 million that have shown to have incubated for 28 days?The statistical likely hood of this occurring doesn't really put into the likely to have occurred category as claimed in this atrocious article.

[hotchilli]

5 hours ago, AndrewMciver said:

 

CHINA !!!!!!!!!!!!

Everything tracks back to China.

[Peter Denis]

8 hours ago, AndrewMciver said:

Simple go watch these youtube videos. 

Guests who are meant to be in quarantine are chatting and socialising with hotel employers - especially during the 1 hour out door exercise they get. 

If the guest or the employer have the virus they will pass it on to each other. 

 

Just really bizarre and an obvious flaw. 

Before leaving (except when you are Thai!) and when entering Thailand you are tested.  When on entry you test positive, it is straight to the Hospital for you.  And all those that tested negative, have to go through 14-days of quarantaine.

The whole idea of quarantaine in a 'locked' Hotel (where you can mingle with other Hotel guests and staff during the exercise hour) is nonsense and the 'obvious flaw'.

[Sheryl]

5 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Can you see any cases in the 28.5 million that have shown to have incubated for 28 days?The statistical likely hood of this occurring doesn't really put into the likely to have occurred category as claimed in this atrocious article.

 

"the estimated probability that the incubation period is longer than 14 days was between 5 and 10%."

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/6/33/eabc1202

 

With any disease you will get occasional cases of an unusually long incubation period.

[nrasmussen]

57 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

 

"the estimated probability that the incubation period is longer than 14 days was between 5 and 10%."

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/6/33/eabc1202

 

With any disease you will get occasional cases of an unusually long incubation period.

Quote from your link: "The incubation period of an infectious disease is the time elapsed between infection and appearance of the first symptoms and signs of disease." So nothing to do with how long time it might take before testing positive or becoming infectious, right?

[Sheryl]

4 minutes ago, nrasmussen said:

Quote from your link: "The incubation period of an infectious disease is the time elapsed between infection and appearance of the first symptoms and signs of disease." So nothing to do with how long time it might take before testing positive or becoming infectious, right?

 

testing positive is a sign of the disease. Give it a rest. It is possible  that this is an infection acquired abroad. It is also possible that it was acquired in Thailand. We don't know which.

[nrasmussen]

5 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

 

testing positive is a sign of the disease. Give it a rest. It is possible  that this is an infection acquired abroad. It is also possible that it was acquired in Thailand. We don't know which.

Sorry if I wasn't clear about it, but I wasn't questioning where he might have been infected. I was just in doubt about the exact meaning of the term incubation period; thank you for enlightening me.

[vermin on arrival]

2 hours ago, Sheryl said:

 

testing positive is a sign of the disease. Give it a rest. It is possible  that this is an infection acquired abroad. It is also possible that it was acquired in Thailand. We don't know which.

Even if it occurred while abroad he would no longer be infectious as people stop being infectious after 11 days from contracting the virus unless they are very ill. This is only really a story if he caught it in Thailand, which is probably the case.

[Matzzon]

On 9/12/2020 at 8:15 AM, Flying Saucage said:

I have to disagree strongy Sheril!

 

There are not hundreds of deaths in European countries now!!! This is simply wrong. For example Germany with 82 million people had between zero (!) and maximum ten deaths per day during the last weeks. Single digit numbers per day! To say hundreds new Covid deaths a day is no only vastly exagerated, it is simply not correct. 

 

Germany alone now does around 200,000 test per day. Europe, with around 8 times more people than Germany, might be in the millions per day. But I agree that Europe with more than 600 million people must not be compared with Thailand with its 67 million. But how many tests does Thailand daily, compared to Germany?

 

And regarding random testing: Germany does random testing. In the Germany state of Bavaria, the have test booths at the motorways to test everyone who wants to be tested. Mainly for those coming back from holidays in Austria, Italy and Eastern Europe. I call this random testing. Also, it is this random testing that increases the positive tests strongly, because so many asymptomatic people are tested. 

 

Overall, I am sure that the Covid-situation in Thailand is not much different to well performing countries in Europe. It is naive to believe the official numbers in Thailand. Sorry, I am not that gullible to believe this government anything. Thailand performs well, sure. But neither better nor worse than European countries. And, whatever success Thailand has, this has not so much to do with the government. More with climatic and social circumstances here.

 

With so many university degrees you say you have more than others, then you ought to know that you can not compare continents with countries. Just to make you aware. Europe is a continent, and Thailand is a country. ????

 

Let´s say like last week during one day it was:

 

France: 70 deaths

Turkey: 58

Spain: 78

 

So, there are high number, and I would say that Sheryl was not far from the truth. If you are German, yes then you can be happy. However, it´s just one country, you know. Not a continent even if they had aspiration for that 80 years ago. 

[Flying Saucage]

8 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

With so many university degrees you say you have more than others, then you ought to know that you can not compare continents with countries. Just to make you aware. Europe is a continent, and Thailand is a country. ????

 

Let´s say like last week during one day it was:

 

France: 70 deaths

Turkey: 58

Spain: 78

 

So, there are high number, and I would say that Sheryl was not far from the truth. If you are German, yes then you can be happy. However, it´s just one country, you know. Not a continent even if they had aspiration for that 80 years ago. 

Did you really read my post? At least you did not understand it obviously. Would you mind to read it carefully again?

 

Also, maybe you heard already that there are some more countries in Europe, with significant lower daily deaths today than France and Spain. Like Italy, Austria, Switzerland, UK, Norway, Finland, and some more. But I would not necessarily assign Turkey for 100% to Europe. 

 

BTW, this kind of discussion is too stupid for me. Whatever you will reply, I will not react to it. Bye!

 

[Dcheech]

16 hours ago, AndrewMciver said:

On 9/12/2020 at 6:30 AM, bwpage3 said:

How is it 3 Thai's just traveled to Japan and tested positive with Covid?

 

How did they get out of Suvarnabhumi airport with Covid?

 

 

 

Did they get covid on arrival in Japan - in essence when were they tested?

 

Secondly, how long was their trip to Thailand?

 

Did you notice how many people arrived in Thailand with a "High Fever", suspected Covid, in the last 5 months? This was jammed into the TV news and Papers with alarming regularity. It included a group from New Zealand, before that latest outbreak during the three months or so  New Zealand had no Covid. I assumed and still assume that this had more to do with News Media fakery and promoting the idea that the outer non thai world was seething with infectious virus. I still do as it makes no sense any other way. The question remains, how are all these people getting fevers on a plane as they would not be permitted to board if they had one at the departing airport? 

 

As for the Japan case, they were tested for Covid19, not just testing for fever. Could there be more Covid in Thailand than the government or media admits?! It looks that way.

[Sheryl]

1 hour ago, vermin on arrival said:

Even if it occurred while abroad he would no longer be infectious as people stop being infectious after 11 days from contracting the virus unless they are very ill. This is only really a story if he caught it in Thailand, which is probably the case.

People are infectious for as long as they have the birus which he obvioysly did as he tested positive for it.

 

Duration is extremely variable and can be as brief as a week or as prolonged as several months. 

[vermin on arrival]

8 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

People are infectious for as long as they have the birus which he obvioysly did as he tested positive for it.

 

Duration is extremely variable and can be as brief as a week or as prolonged as several months. 

Not true. Studies have show this not to be the case. In addition, PCR test cannot distinguish live/infectious virus from dead/broken fragments of virus. There are problems with the PCR test.

 

This study from Singapore is older, but has relevance.

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/covid-19-patients-no-longer-infectious-11-days-after-getting-sick-research-shows

[Mung]

39 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

With so many university degrees you say you have more than others, then you ought to know that you can not compare continents with countries. Just to make you aware. Europe is a continent, and Thailand is a country. ????

 

Let´s say like last week during one day it was:

 

France: 70 deaths

Turkey: 58

Spain: 78

 

So, there are high number, and I would say that Sheryl was not far from the truth. If you are German, yes then you can be happy. However, it´s just one country, you know. Not a continent even if they had aspiration for that 80 years ago. 

I'm very happy to be where I am, with society fairly normal and functioning as it should. 

 

[StayinThailand2much]

https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/the-frightening-tale-of-a-hypothetical-south-east-asian-country-where-4-percent-of-its-population-might-already-been-affected-by-milder-strains-of-sar

 

Very interesting read, even though the country's name wasn't mentioned...

[Flying Saucage]

52 minutes ago, StayinThailand2much said:

https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/the-frightening-tale-of-a-hypothetical-south-east-asian-country-where-4-percent-of-its-population-might-already-been-affected-by-milder-strains-of-sar

 

Very interesting read, even though the country's name wasn't mentioned...a

Yesterday I talked to a relative. She knows a family of four who spent holidays in Thailand in early January. Shortly after they arrived back home, three of them became sick and had something like a very serious flu. This was in January, when also in Europe nobody was expecting yet Covid cases to appear so quickly there. They all recovered well, and only later end of February when the virus slowly started to become diagnosed around the world, they were tested and Covid antibodies were found in the blood of all three of them.

[harryviking]

And what about that guy arriving in Korea from Bangkok about a week ago testing positive for Covid-19?? Wonder how he got it......since there was no covid-19 there I mean....

[FarFlungFalang]

3 minutes ago, Flying Saucage said:

Yesterday I talked to a relative. She knows a family of four who spent holidays in Thailand in early January. Shortly after they arrived back home, three of them became sick and had something like a very serious flu. This was in January, when also in Europe nobody was expecting yet Covid cases to appear so quickly there. They all recovered well, and only later end of February when the virus slowly started to become diagnosed around the world, they were tested and Covid antibodies were found in the blood of all three of them.

That is interesting,thanks.There was definitely lots of flu things going on in this household back then.I'm on record (starting to sound like a scratched one at that) of saying just that.My pet theory so to speak, but not very popular with some of the punters here.

[FarFlungFalang]

2 minutes ago, harryviking said:

And what about that guy arriving in Korea from Bangkok about a week ago testing positive for Covid-19?? Wonder how he got it......since there was no covid-19 there I mean....

Must be a conspiracy!