Trump jeered as he visits Ginsburg's casket at U.S. Supreme Court

[Eric Loh]

29 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

Well, on the other hand, I would bet that every leader in an authoritarian environment ie a corporation or the military, has some authoritarian in him. And Hitler was not an authoritarian he was a totalitarian and there is a clear difference. Likewise America's cities are in reality beset by fear and violent crimes. This is a reality. A truth.

 

As for sending Federal agents to snatch people from the streets, I would rather make comparisons to a political party which seems to have a violent extremist arm to it - one which lights cities on fire. Sort of like some totalitarian parties have all had. Or even parties which have a armed paramilitary wing which they disassociate from themselves but also refuse to condemn the violent actions of. Sort of like Sinn Fein in the era of Northern Ireland prior to the peace. Yes, rather then look at the DOJ simply using tools of law enforcement to stop lawlessness.

 

Trump certainly has not given himself any dictatorial powers. Nor has he indicated he wishes to remain President for life, or such nonsense. He does not hate Jews, so I don't see any comparison to Hitler there. In all I think your comparisons to Hitler are a bit fragile in having a basis in truth of historical fact and rather heavy on attempt to use everyday comparison to achieve a sense of dread which bears no reflection on the reality of who is Donald Trump. Sort of like saying that Donald Trump eats Breakfast and so did Adolf Hitler, therefore there are comparisons between the two - they both liked eggs for breakfast perhaps.

 

Trump is not going to refuse to transfer power because it is not something he has the power to do. IF in the horrible event that both sides cannot agree on a clear winner it will go to the courts to decide and ultimately to the Supreme Court of the USA. Americans understand the system.  And if that were to happen that would mean that it will be the Court that makes a decision. At that point the victor - whomever that may be - will be President of the United States. Period - End of story.

He should stopped asking his supporters to give him the Hitler Salute.

[Sujo]

8 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

Neither does Joe Biden, or the head of the DNC, but they likewise are pretty important with regard to what they have to say at the moment with regard to Democrat point of view. And CNN and MSNBC as well of course.

Biden is the elected candidate. Hilary only speaks for herself as she holds no position.

 

the dem point of view is from biden.

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, watso63 said:

More hysterical behaviour from "democrat's" that can't respect the result of a democratic general election. Sore loser's but makes great social media content.

You do understand that it is trump that refuses to say he will respect the election.

 

the dems have said no such thing.

[owl sees all]

12 minutes ago, PatOngo said:

That's a joke......right? I don't think Trump knows his @$$ from his elbow!

There have been very few POTUS that history has given them a 'thumbs up'.

 

The Don may not be your cup of tea PatOngo, but he was voted into his position by the US people. If the Dem's want to win they have to start talking 'policy'; in other words what they envisage doing if they get back in. All I hear is constant demonizing of Trump from the US media. Times have changed. The last election proved that.

 

The Dem's have no chance in this coming election; and they know it. Biden and Harris. That's the best the Dem's could do? Dear me! Both have too much dodgy history. Huge swathes of the voting public in the US know their histories very well. And if I do, then the good American people do.

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, owl sees all said:

There have been very few POTUS that history has given them a 'thumbs up'.

 

The Don may not be your cup of tea PatOngo, but he was voted into his position by the US people. If the Dem's want to win they have to start talking 'policy'; in other words what they envisage doing if they get back in. All I hear is constant demonizing of Trump from the US media. Times have changed. The last election proved that.

 

The Dem's have no chance in this coming election; and they know it. Biden and Harris. That's the best the Dem's could do? Dear me! Both have too much dodgy history. Huge swathes of the voting public in the US know their histories very well. And if I do, then the good American people do.

Dems policy is on bidens website. Trump has no policy, for anything.

 

What is the dodgy history of biden and harris, compared to the bankrupt pussy grabber 20,000 lies impeached president.

[Tippaporn]

24 minutes ago, Sujo said:

36 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Then where is the proof that Trump is stealing the election?  If there's no evidence then why hire 600 lawyers?  Think.

Thats why he hired them, to make sure he doesnt.

Again, where's the evidence that Trump will?  If there's no evidence then on what basis does Biden make that assumption and then preemptively hire 600 lawyers?  Does that make sense?  Which begs the question as to whether there's another reason he's hiring 600 lawyers.  Is he creating a false narrative as cover for other intentions?

[Sujo]

3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Again, where's the evidence that Trump will?  If there's no evidence then on what basis does Biden make that assumption and then preemptively hire 600 lawyers?  Does that make sense?  Which begs the question as to whether there's another reason he's hiring 600 lawyers.  Is he creating a false narrative as cover for other intentions?

What false narrative, what have they said, what have they done. You dont know why they are hired yet claim its for a false narrative.

 

The lawyers have done nothing, so enough with the conspiracy theories.

 

as for evidence about trump, well he refuses to say he will accept the results. So maybe best to use all those lawyers to shut down his lies about the election.

Edited September 25, 2020 by Sujo

[Tippaporn]

29 minutes ago, Sujo said:

40 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Is that the real and only reason?  Is it?

Former first lady if you prefer. Regardless she holds no position and does not direct policy.

Does she not have influence?  Is she still a "player" in another capacity?  If, as you argue, Hillary's input is meaningless and irrelevant then why air it at all?  Do you believe things are done without purpose?

[Morch]

4 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

Well it was good to see the rioters, looters, and business burners take time off to be disrespectful to RBG and the POTUS...

 

Civility, reverence, and politeness never go out of style when honoring the dead...classless bunch of morons...

 

These ignorant domestic terrorists would run the country into the ground...they have no clue!

 

More vile insinuation out of a Trump supporter, trying to paint anyone not seeing thing his way as 'rioters, looters and business burners'. Of course, no actual attempt to support this wild claim, but to be expected.

 

For a Trump supporter to go on about 'civility, reverence and politeness' is rather disingenuous at this point. Considering how many of you revel at each low the President exhibit, justify it or saying it doesn't matter, complaining now is two-faced, at best.

[Morch]

4 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Don't remember hrc ever holding the office of POTUS.

 

And that's relevant because....?

[Damual Travesty]

12 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

It would take too long to go through all these points. I am from Australia.

On Covid it is absolutely China's fault and Trump did OK for a month or so. But then he consistently downplayed it, saying it would go away, hindering the CDC. To this day he is holding dangerous rallies with huge crowds close together not wearing masks. Breathtakingly irresponsible.

On climate change I get that it is hard to find a perfect solution but his view is do nothing or worse ramp up CO2 production. He's comment last week that the world will just get cooler, like the Coronavirus will just go away, is sad and predictable. 

Dangerous in your view. In my view they are not. Further let's take Thailand as a case in point. They had literally zero cases of covid. Now where do you go from there? Once upon a time, Governments were saying they wanted to hold the cases down to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed until a vaccine or heard immunity could be achieved. Now what? How long? I am starting to think that the USA is going to be in a good position when round 2 or 3 starts coming around because I think a heard immunity is developing. Further a vaccine is coming, but let's talk about that. Vaccine for flue typically have a 50 percent effective rate at best. We wont know about this until they go into mass usage.  I have not been paying attention to the numbers in Australia so I can't say. But I do not believe lock downs have done any good. I cannot explain the low cases in Certain SouthEast Asia countries but I think it has to do with far more then wearing of masks. I do not agree with any negative assessment of Donald Trump on this. Where are you getting your news? All outlets of the USA are hostile to Trump short of Fox news and even they are becoming more and more neoconservative influenced because of board and ownership changes. I watch sky news from Australia. They seem to have a far different view from yours on COVID and on Donald Trump.

[Sujo]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Does she not have influence?  Is she still a "player" in another capacity?  If, as you argue, Hillary's input is meaningless and irrelevant then why air it at all?  Do you believe things are done without purpose?

She can try to influence all she likes, but she is not the mouthpiece of the party.

[Tippaporn]

13 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

He should stopped asking his supporters to give him the Hitler Salute.

An absolutely bizarre comment.

[Damual Travesty]

1 minute ago, Morch said:

 

More vile insinuation out of a Trump supporter, trying to paint anyone not seeing thing his way as 'rioters, looters and business burners'. Of course, no actual attempt to support this wild claim, but to be expected.

 

For a Trump supporter to go on about 'civility, reverence and politeness' is rather disingenuous at this point. Considering how many of you revel at each low the President exhibit, justify it or saying it doesn't matter, complaining now is two-faced, at best.

I think he was referring to people who show up shouting at a funeral. You don't agree? And people who burn buildings and kill police officers not vile?

[Damual Travesty]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

An absolutely bizarre comment.

Yes as I was saying they give themselves away through very strange over the top comments like that. It becomes almost comically obvious does it not? Who would say that? It's so over the top that you don't even know how to respond. Keep up the Good fight!

[spidermike007]

Wonderful. He rarely ever ventures out into public, and nearly always restricts his visits to staged events with supporters. So, this time he gets a taste of the extent to which he is despised by the majority of Americans. Respect must be earned, and never freely given.

 

Those that say this is not right, that the office of the presidency should always be respected, are drinking too much toxic Koolaid. This is the way a democracy is supposed to work. Kudos to the protestors!

[Morch]

4 hours ago, nemo38 said:

Trump is going to return with a huge majority. People who hate him will hold their nose and vote Republican, due to the rioting, looting, and burning of Antifa-BLM. 

 

The anti-Trump movement is astroturfing and gaslighting.

 

There will be an effort to contest the election. We are hearing that voter fraud is not a factor, whereas there are actually thousands of cases.

 

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud-print/search?combine=&state=TX&year=&case_type=All&fraud_type=24489

 

Again with this 'majority' nonsense? And a 'huge' one, no less. Do tell, where was this majority in 2016 or 2018. While some people may, indeed, fall for his 'law and order' slogan, others may react differently. That you try and present things as facts, does not make them so. More like wishful thinking.

 

There 'will be' an effort to contest the election? There's one in progress already, by Trump. Just a repeat of what he said last time around.

 

Never mind quoting from the Heritage foundation and expecting it to be unbiased, but even that does not support the 'thousands of cases' claim. To head of expected nonsense - even having 'thousands of cases' does not imply all of them are eventually labeled as fraud.

[Sujo]

2 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

I think he was referring to people who show up shouting at a funeral. You don't agree? And people who burn buildings and kill police officers not vile?

Its not a funeral. They didnt show up shouting. They showed up to respect rbg. Then trump arrived who is the antethesis of rbg and they let him know what they thought of him.

[Sujo]

2 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

Yes as I was saying they give themselves away through very strange over the top comments like that. It becomes almost comically obvious does it not? Who would say that? It's so over the top that you don't even know how to respond. Keep up the Good fight!

Says the poster who doesnt think trump lies.

[spidermike007]

3 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

I think he was referring to people who show up shouting at a funeral. You don't agree? And people who burn buildings and kill police officers not vile?

What is absolutely vile, is equating peaceful protestors, with people who burn buildings and kill policemen. Tar the 99.9%, with the 00.01%. Real smart. Real objective. That is despicable, and deplorable nonsense. Nothing wrong with some jeering at a funeral.

 

He deserves it, and RBG would be having a chuckle, watching democracy at work. Only the closest and most ardent devotees feel otherwise. 

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

What is absolutely vile, is equating peaceful protestors, with people who burn buildings and kill policemen. Tar the 99.9%, with the 00.01%. Real smart. Real objective. That is despicable, and deplorable nonsense. Nothing wrong with some jeering at a funeral.

 

He deserves it, and RBG would be having a chuckle, watching democracy at work. Only the closest and most ardent devotees feel otherwise. 

Respect should have been shown to the deceased , they should have remined quiet .

The disrespectful people who shout at funerals are the same type of person who burn buildings and shoot policeman , they are the same group  

[FlyingThai]

5 hours ago, Nout said:

Disgraceful

Typical behavior for Democrats and leftist radicals these days. Best to ignore them!

[Damual Travesty]

15 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Dems policy is on bidens website. Trump has no policy, for anything.

 

What is the dodgy history of biden and harris, compared to the bankrupt pussy grabber 20,000 lies impeached president.

Another hateful comment of insult directed at the President of the USA,  an attempt at Propaganda for the unschooled, and not succeeding very well due the lack of nuance. It is very sad to see this here. I like to think that we are above simply posting to hurl insults.

 

A person has motivation always remember that. I have motivation for my view. I am an American Conservative who agrees with the policy of the US President because his actions effect me personally because I am an American Citizen and his actions effect my future directly. What is this person's motivation? He is a ------ who disagrees with the American President, because ------ which effects his life personally because he is a ------ what exactly is going on here?

[Lacessit]

Trump is accustomed to adulation at his political rallies. I doubt if the jeering upset him, though. He has a hide thicker than an elephant.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I can't recall any other President in modern times being jeered. Although I suppose Nixon and Johnson copped some flak.

[CorpusChristie]

5 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Its not a funeral. They didnt show up shouting. They showed up to respect rbg. Then trump arrived who is the antethesis of rbg and they let him know what they thought of him.

Right, so, its not the fault of the people who were shouting its Trumps fault because he made them shout by being there ? ????

[Morch]

4 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

Not sure why people bother pretending to be concerned when their political opponents die? It's sort of pathetic and I think we should be more grown up then pretending we are grieving and sending our prayers. I don't give a rat's ass. There I said it.

 

Some posters here are heavily invested in hyper-partisanship (and or personality worship) and therefore seem to have trouble with the notion that holding different views does not automatically imply someone from the other side is an enemy. People can belong to different political parties, and still be civil to each other or even cooperate. I know it sounds strange to some of you.

 

Considering the numerous times Trump supporters insist the President be treated with respect (regardless of his own conduct), if not for his character than for the office he holds, I would have thought that the answer to the above 'question' would be obvious. The POTUS is not there because his personal feelings on RBG's character and legacy, but because she was a SC justice.

[owl sees all]

8 minutes ago, Sujo said:

What is the dodgy history of Biden and Harris,,,,,  .

Biden is right up there, with others, who have turned the US prison system into a thriving business. Less than 1% of the world population, and 4% of the world's prisoners.

 

Harris; withheld key evidence that would have, freed an innocent man from death row, during her time serving as California Attorney General.

 

Both have too much baggage and are heavily compromised by big business.

 

The good US people, whose families, many generations before, had chucked out the English, are not stupid. They can gather the truth like never before. The days when TV was 'king' are gone.

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

Respect should have been shown to the deceased , they should have remined quiet .

The disrespectful people who shout at funerals are the same type of person who burn buildings and shoot policeman , they are the same group  

I'd love to see an authoritative link. Won't hold my breath, though.

[CorpusChristie]

9 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Wonderful. He rarely ever ventures out into public, and nearly always restricts his visits to staged events with supporters. So, this time he gets a taste of the extent to which he is despised by the majority of Americans. Respect must be earned, and never freely given.

 

Those that say this is not right, that the office of the presidency should always be respected, are drinking too much toxic Koolaid. This is the way a democracy is supposed to work. Kudos to the protestors!

Every POTUS has those that either support him or those that oppose him, every time a Politician shows' his face in public, he would get people booing him, very immature of the booers 

[Damual Travesty]

6 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

What is absolutely vile, is equating peaceful protestors, with people who burn buildings and kill policemen. Tar the 99.9%, with the 00.01%. Real smart. Real objective. That is despicable, and deplorable nonsense. Nothing wrong with some jeering at a funeral.

 

He deserves it, and RBG would be having a chuckle, watching democracy at work. Only the closest and most ardent devotees feel otherwise. 

How many police officers have been murdered in the last 6 months? Do you know? How many maimed for life? How many minority owned businesses burned to the ground? How much property damage done? Go look up these statistics and come back and tell me about the .01 percent.