Trump deflects debate question about whether he condemns white supremacists

[Morch]

11 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Not that I wish Biden any ill, but I was thinking if he had a heart attack, and Harris stepped in for the second presidential debate, Trump would be all at sea on what to do. If he attacked her the same way he did Biden, he could say goodbye to the women's vote. And I'm willing to bet she could give much better than she got.

 

Not a problem.

First, she can still be labeled 'nasty', and then 'doubt' can be cast about her legitimacy as she's not the first name on the ticket. I know it doesn't have anything to do with anything, just saying these are two probable venues of 'attack'.

[candide]

56 minutes ago, wabothai said:

 

No need for further debates. 45 has no idea how to debate and again, as usual, lowers himself making nasty insults.

Don't blame the vice preident to tell 45 to shut up.

I am looking forward though to the debate between Harris and Pence.

There may not be another Trump-Biden debate. They will impose rules such as "don't interrupt your opponent", etc... (as in any normal debate). Trump will either refuse such a debate, or walk out after being cut, claiming he is censored by the deep state or whatever B.S.

[Morch]

2 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

Red check shirts I reckon

 

These?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshirt_(stock_character)

[onthedarkside]

A meme post and another derogatory to two nationalities have been removed.

 

[3NUMBAS]

spitting image trailor new series

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy2JHmyMbnk

[Morch]

And then there's (maybe) this - just another distraction by Trump.

 

Just a few days ago, it was all about his tax issues. Bad optics, and the counter-narrative wasn't taking a hold. Fast forward, and it's the debate, Trump's conduct, Trump's 'stand back, stand by' comment.

 

Now, both can be considered 'bad' - but the former is more likely to get traction among swing voters. A rich guy not paying taxes? Nobody likes that. On the other hand, behaving badly is sort of a 'new normal' when it comes to Trump, so won't change as much. The wink to the far-right, even if unintended, might serve to fire up his base and  even pull in those thinking he's not right enough.

 

But regardless, every week, or even a few days, there's something new. Something which pushes the 'old' scandal or merely unflattering story and plunges into new vile or repulsive territory. For Trump, I think it doesn't matter all that much. So long as he's in the headlines, so long as these don't drive away his base while not motivating the opposition further, that's alright. Incremental gains.

[Stargeezr]

Wow, with the President showing such a bad example of how to behave during a debate, I am surprised that anybody even wants to hear another debate. What an embarrassing event that train crash was. I hope that a lot of his supporters have a change of their feelings and change their votes to the 3rd choice.

Geezer

[MaxYakov]

This thread is rife with left-wing lies and really poorly-considered opinions about this, including the highly-biased propaganda of the OP itself.

 

Kayleigh McEnany, the current White House spokeswoman, addressed this very issue in a recent press conference and pointed out several instances in the past by date where Donald Trump had condemned so-called "white supremacy". After that the press continued to press her about it. It was a disgusting display of PTSD by the press, like many on this thread have displayed. I have personally heard a montage of sound bites where he had condemned "white supremacy" many times and long before the debate. Wallace's question was disgustingly out of place and some kind of stupid, partisan transparent attempt to manipulate the debate.

 

 

 

Edited October 1, 2020 by MaxYakov

[RJRS1301]

11 hours ago, Morch said:

 

These?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshirt_(stock_character)

Saw a clip of POTUS at rally somewhere and those behind him were all wearing redchecked shirts, A veritable sea of them. Guess it camouflaged their necks 

Edited October 1, 2020 by RJRS1301

[simon43]

Trump was arrogant, rude, selfish and loud-mouthed.

 

Personally, I think he will win a landslide election victory....  ????

[simple1]

12 hours ago, candide said:

There may not be another Trump-Biden debate. They will impose rules such as "don't interrupt your opponent", etc... (as in any normal debate). Trump will either refuse such a debate, or walk out after being cut, claiming he is censored by the deep state or whatever B.S.

trump has already rejected any changes to debate rules. Personally, I believe the 'debate' will continue.

 

 

Edited October 1, 2020 by simple1

[polpott]

1 hour ago, MaxYakov said:

This thread is rife with left-wing lies and really poorly-considered opinions about this, including the highly-biased propaganda of the OP itself.

 

Kayleigh McEnany, the current White House spokeswoman, addressed this very issue in a recent press conference and pointed out several instances in the past by date where Donald Trump had condemned so-called "white supremacy". After that the press continued to press her about it. It was a disgusting display of PTSD by the press, like many on this thread have displayed. I have personally heard a montage of sound bites where he had condemned "white supremacy" many times and long before the debate. Wallace's question was disgustingly out of place and some kind of stupid, partisan transparent attempt to manipulate the debate.

 

 

 

Pity that I wasn't there. I could have quoted several instances where he both condoned white supremacists and failed to condemn them when given the opportunity.

 

Even in the debate he was given the opportunity to condemn both David Duke and the KKK and refused to do so.

 

However the one condemning phrase he used was "Proud Boys stand down and stand by" followed by "Somebody has to do something about Antifa". A clear call for Proud Boys to attack Antifa when the time is right. The most disgraceful statement any president has ever made.

 

How can his supporters condone that, particularly in the light of the fact that Antifa have played little or no part in the current unrest. Antifa, Trumps dog whistle of the moment. Clearly the PTSD is suffered by his supporters. La La land has now become Trump land.

 

Good luck to you and your fellow Trump supporters in your world of alternative facts.

[TopDeadSenter]

6 minutes ago, polpott said:

How can his supporters condone that, particularly in the light of the fact that Antifa have played little or no part in the current unrest.

That is not my take on the situation. I noticed Antifa played a huge part in the unrest, from setting up the disastrous CHAZ, to their constant presence at the scenes of violence, looting and burning that have been a hallmark of democrat run states in the last 3 months or so.

 Worth mentioning the ProudBoys are led by a Latino and have no ideology of white supremacy, not exactly ticking the "white supremacist" box. 

[polpott]

15 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

That is not my take on the situation. I noticed Antifa played a huge part in the unrest, from setting up the disastrous CHAZ, to their constant presence at the scenes of violence, looting and burning that have been a hallmark of democrat run states in the last 3 months or so.

 Worth mentioning the ProudBoys are led by a Latino and have no ideology of white supremacy, not exactly ticking the "white supremacist" box. 

Not according to the FBI or any other official sources. No discernible presence of Antifa.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

 

"The Proud Boys are a far-right, neo-fascist male-only organization with ties to white supremacists that promotes and engages in political violence"

[RoadWarrior371]

22 minutes ago, polpott said:

Not according to the FBI or any other official sources. No discernible presence of Antifa.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

 

"The Proud Boys are a far-right, neo-fascist male-only organization with ties to white supremacists that promotes and engages in political violence"

Nice Wiki reference, you must be very reliable and detail oriented.  We believe.   LOL.  ????

[stevenl]

Just now, RoadWarrior371 said:

Nice Wiki reference, you must be very reliable and detail oriented.  We believe.   LOL.  ????

Good to see someone as well informed as you are, much better than the FBI and other security and intelligence agencies. Amazing, and all that knowledge from looking at the tv.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

3 hours ago, MaxYakov said:

This thread is rife with left-wing lies and really poorly-considered opinions about this, including the highly-biased propaganda of the OP itself.

 

Kayleigh McEnany, the current White House spokeswoman, addressed this very issue in a recent press conference and pointed out several instances in the past by date where Donald Trump had condemned so-called "white supremacy". After that the press continued to press her about it. It was a disgusting display of PTSD by the press, like many on this thread have displayed. I have personally heard a montage of sound bites where he had condemned "white supremacy" many times and long before the debate. Wallace's question was disgustingly out of place and some kind of stupid, partisan transparent attempt to manipulate the debate.

 

 

 

The problem as I see it is that Trump comes across as an opportunist rather than a 'good man' like Biden who has standards. Some like that about Trump as they think his focus on opportunities, rather than on some liberal idea of doing good, is good for the country. Others see it as appalling. 

Trump seems to circle around this issue, and avoid it, or give a 'both sides' or 'the other side is worse' answer if he can. Rarely does he give a clear straight denunciation like Biden. 

[Morch]

3 hours ago, MaxYakov said:

This thread is rife with left-wing lies and really poorly-considered opinions about this, including the highly-biased propaganda of the OP itself.

 

Kayleigh McEnany, the current White House spokeswoman, addressed this very issue in a recent press conference and pointed out several instances in the past by date where Donald Trump had condemned so-called "white supremacy". After that the press continued to press her about it. It was a disgusting display of PTSD by the press, like many on this thread have displayed. I have personally heard a montage of sound bites where he had condemned "white supremacy" many times and long before the debate. Wallace's question was disgustingly out of place and some kind of stupid, partisan transparent attempt to manipulate the debate.

 

 

 

 

This post above is rife with unfounded, unsupported accusations, derision and contempt. Especially liked the smooth transition from complaints about 'propaganda' to quoting the President's mouthpiece. By all means, rant away if you think that it somehow makes the President's words any less controversial then they are.

[Morch]

2 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

That is not my take on the situation. I noticed Antifa played a huge part in the unrest, from setting up the disastrous CHAZ, to their constant presence at the scenes of violence, looting and burning that have been a hallmark of democrat run states in the last 3 months or so.

 Worth mentioning the ProudBoys are led by a Latino and have no ideology of white supremacy, not exactly ticking the "white supremacist" box. 

 

How, exactly, did you 'notice' that? Were you down there at the protests? Do you have some special Antifa radar? Can easily pick them up among the crowds?

[Eric Loh]

2 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Worth mentioning the ProudBoys are led by a Latino and have no ideology of white supremacy, not exactly ticking the "white supremacist" box. 

You have to do some explaining as to why Jason Kessler member of the Proud Boys helped organized the violent Charlottesville rally. 

 

[Morch]

21 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

You have to do some explaining as to why Jason Kessler member of the Proud Boys helped organized the violent Charlottesville rally. 

 

 

Easy - Antifa made him do it. Or something.

[Tie Dye Samurai]

6 hours ago, MaxYakov said:

This thread is rife with left-wing lies and really poorly-considered opinions about this, including the highly-biased propaganda of the OP itself.

 

Kayleigh McEnany, the current White House spokeswoman, addressed this very issue in a recent press conference and pointed out several instances in the past by date where Donald Trump had condemned so-called "white supremacy". After that the press continued to press her about it. It was a disgusting display of PTSD by the press, like many on this thread have displayed. I have personally heard a montage of sound bites where he had condemned "white supremacy" many times and long before the debate. Wallace's question was disgustingly out of place and some kind of stupid, partisan transparent attempt to manipulate the debate.

 

 

 

Really? At a Presidential Debate it is inappropriate to ask The President Of The United States if he denounces White Supremacy? What could possibly be disgusting about that unless you do not like the answer that was coming out of Donald Trump's mouth? That should have been the easiest answer of the night for Trump...."Yes I denounce White Supremacy in all its forms" and he is done with it. Instead he teed it up for the Proud Boys. Do not blame Chris Wallace for Donald Trump not being able to cover his racism without a teleprompter....and the fact that you think the asking of the question in any setting is disgusting reflects on your character as well.

Edited October 2, 2020 by Tie Dye Samurai

[Kwaibill]

6 hours ago, MaxYakov said:

This thread is rife with left-wing lies and really poorly-considered opinions about this, including the highly-biased propaganda of the OP itself.

 

Kayleigh McEnany, the current White House spokeswoman, addressed this very issue in a recent press conference and pointed out several instances in the past by date where Donald Trump had condemned so-called "white supremacy". After that the press continued to press her about it. It was a disgusting display of PTSD by the press, like many on this thread have displayed. I have personally heard a montage of sound bites where he had condemned "white supremacy" many times and long before the debate. Wallace's question was disgustingly out of place and some kind of stupid, partisan transparent attempt to manipulate the debate.

 

 

 

Speaking of lies...

[MaxYakov]

Gavin McInnes, founder of "Proud Boys", is suing CNN and Biden for Mis-characterizations. The publicly-available article includes a video with Mr. McInnes stating his view of the statements made.

 

IMHO, Wallace should also be sued for associating "Proud Boys" with such violent/hate groups as BLM, the KKK and Antifa (which is only an "idea" according to Biden's statement during the debate"), IMHO.

 

IMHO, Trump should be FRAPPED for accepting Wallace's "Proud Boys" submission as an example of a "white supremacy" group (whatever that is). Neither of them knew what or whom they were talking about, IMHO.

 

PM me for the link to the McInnes law suit article.

 

 

Edited October 4, 2020 by MaxYakov

[polpott]

39 minutes ago, MaxYakov said:

 

, founder of "Proud Boys", is suing CNN and Biden for Mis-characterizations. The publicly-available article includes a video with Mr. McInnes stating his view of the statements made.

 

IMHO, Wallace should also be sued for associating "Proud Boys" with such violent/hate groups as BLM, the KKK and Antifa (which is only an "idea" according to Biden's statement during the debate"), IMHO.

 

IMHO, Trump should be FRAPPED for accepting Wallace's "Proud Boys" submission as an example of a "white supremacy" group (whatever that is). Neither of them knew what or whom they were talking about, IMHO.

 

PM me for the link to the McInnes law suit article.

 

 

Maybe he should sue Wikipedia too.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

 

"The Proud Boys are a far-right, neo-fascist and male-only organization that promotes and engages in political violence."

 

Even stranger, considering the lawsuit, is that McInnes has disassociated himself from the group.

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/proud-boys-founder-gavin-mcinnes-quits-far-right-group

 

 

 

Edited October 4, 2020 by polpott

[MaxYakov]

29 minutes ago, polpott said:

Maybe he should sue Wikipedia too.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

 

"The Proud Boys are a far-right, neo-fascist and male-only organization that promotes and engages in political violence."

 

Even stranger, considering the lawsuit, is that McInnes has disassociated himself from the group.

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/proud-boys-founder-gavin-mcinnes-quits-far-right-group

 

 

 

IMHO, I thought the issue of using Wiki as a serious reference for political definitions (and many other categories AFIC) was handled quite well by RoadWarrior371 and stevenl HERE, IMHO.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 4, 2020 by MaxYakov

[polpott]

14 minutes ago, MaxYakov said:

IMHO, I thought the issue of using Wiki as a serious reference for political definitions (and many other categories AFIC) was handled quite well by stevenl HERE, IMHO.

 

 

 

 

Read back through the thread. He was replying to someone who had dissed my post which contained exactly the same Wikipedia quote. He was backing my use of the quote. Comprehension not your strong point? 

[MaxYakov]

16 minutes ago, polpott said:

Read back through the thread. He was replying to someone who had dissed my post which contained exactly the same Wikipedia quote. He was backing my use of the quote. Comprehension not your strong point? 

IMHO, Sure, sure (recognize this?). Are cute, childish emoticons and ad hominem attacks your strong points? My comprehension may have checked out for the day due its being Sunday and due to other factors but I'll have my staff check it out. Anyway, pursuit of this discussion is off-topic so I'm (as usual) terminating it NOW IMHO.

[polpott]

1 minute ago, MaxYakov said:

IMHO, Sure, sure (recognize this?). Are cute, childish emoticons and ad hominem attacks your strong points? My comprehension may have checked out for the day due its being Sunday and due to other factors but I'll have my staff check it out. Anyway, pursuit of this discussion is off-topic so I'm (as usual) terminating it NOW IMHO.

[Scott]

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