33 minutes ago, Deli said:

Do they have a chapter in Thailand ?

‘The Proud Boys’ are well established in Thailand.

4 minutes ago, jinners said:

Versus the grown men who prefer to act like children

Indeed, that ranting, shouting, temper tantrum show Trump put on last night was that of a spoiled brat.

"refuse to apologize for creating the modern world."

 

Sounds like a little valor-stealing there, as these clowns had absolutely nothing to do with any creation of the modern world. Zero.

 

In the initiation and rules of proud boys---this is not a joke---they must undergo a beating by other members while reciting the names of five breakfast cereals, and they must commit to only one episode of masturbation per month. To reach higher levels in the organization, they must commit violence against protesters, peaceful or not.

 

As for 45's claim post debate that "I don't know who proud boys are", that's a lie. In the debate he said, "Proud Boys...Stand back and stand by". Immediately after the debate the terror group added those words to its officials logo.

 

45's own FBI Director, in a Congressional Hearing, labelled the proud boys as a right wing terrorist group. In the debate, while interrupting Candidate Biden's comment about what Christopher Wray said in the Hearing, 45 blurted out, "He's (Wray) wrong".

 

As for antifa, it's a movement. It is not an organization. It has no leader, no HQ, no nothing. It's just people who are against fascism, but use unacceptable means to go after fascists. Even the FBI does not call them an organization.

 

To repeat something that bears repeating, both the FBI and DHS have written reports and assessments detailing that over 70% of all terror incidents in the US since 9-11 have been carried out by white supremacist groups and far-right militias.

Edited October 1, 20205 yr by Walker88

5 hours ago, simon43 said:

Where does it say that they are a white supremacy group?  The article says "Group members tend to adhere to an ideology that rejects overt white supremacy but embraces chauvinism, according to the ADL."

Do you not understand the word "overt" or are you simply pretending not to?

5 hours ago, simon43 said:

Where does it say that they are a white supremacy group?  The article says "Group members tend to adhere to an ideology that rejects overt white supremacy but embraces chauvinism, according to the ADL."

"Oregon's Governor Brown criticized the Proud Boys in a tweet on Wednesday. "Let's be clear: The Proud Boys are white supremacists," she said."

 

From the article. The ADL say they're not white supremacists; but the Democrat Governor of Oregon says they are.

 

Who do you believe?

6 minutes ago, Blue Muton said:

Do you not understand the word "overt" or are you simply pretending not to?

 

The article also states that the Proud Boys membership is "multiracial". Do you understand that word?

1 minute ago, Baerboxer said:

"Oregon's Governor Brown criticized the Proud Boys in a tweet on Wednesday. "Let's be clear: The Proud Boys are white supremacists," she said."

 

From the article. The ADL say they're not white supremacists; but the Democrat Governor of Oregon says they are.

 

Who do you believe?

Looking at the many claims on here of people who claim not to be racists when their posting history shows otherwise, looking at the claims and actions of the Proud Boys, I would trust the governor of Oregon in this, Democrat or Republican.

5 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

WHY WERE THEY MENTIONED DURING THE DEBATE?

Debate moderator Chris Wallace asked Trump if he was willing to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and tell them to “stand down” and not add to violence during recent protests in U.S. cities such as Portland, Oregon, and Kenosha, Wisconsin.

 

Trump agreed to do that, asking, "Who would you like me to condemn?” Biden interjected: "The Proud Boys."

 

 

Tell that to joe.

He was asked by both Wallace and Biden whether he would condemwhite supreiscists and immediately replied, "Sure."  The rest of his answer sought to direct the conversation towards the far more dangerous threats of far left Antifa, who Biden would not condemn.

 

Left media have deliberatley falsified his response.

2 hours ago, worgeordie said:

Trump also has "The Biker's" ........ according to him.

regards Worgeordie

Ofcource he have! Coz hes friend have he need also!

 

14 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Do you also believe it when you get an email from Barrister Bosco Ndjamena telling you there's a debit card in your name with the sum of $7,136,628 (seven million one hundred thirty six thousand six hundred twenty eight dollars) at the airport in customs?

 

No, there is no org called antifa, and no place for Soros, the Gates or Clintons to send money even if they were so inclined. Your post is utter addled-brain moonbat nonsense and should be removed.

 

Given the undoubted vast amounts of politically motivated fake news, false websites, deliberately misleading and fake MSM news reports etc - how do you know who to believe and who not too?

 

How do you know his belief his wrong and yours is right?

 

Without any silly extreme analogies please. 

1 minute ago, Baerboxer said:

 

The article also states that the Proud Boys membership is "multiracial". Do you understand that word?

Deflection. Is that because answering the question would not suit your agenda?

3 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Given the undoubted vast amounts of politically motivated fake news, false websites, deliberately misleading and fake MSM news reports etc - how do you know who to believe and who not too?

 

How do you know his belief his wrong and yours is right?

 

Without any silly extreme analogies please. 

Right, fake and politically motivated sites like Jones and Breitbart, so you don't know who to believe. Trust the MSM. They do make mistakes, but correct when wrong. But I'm sure you'll be able to find a few instances where that was not the case.

Edited October 1, 20205 yr by stevenl

1 minute ago, Blue Muton said:

Deflection. Is that because answering the question would not suit your agenda?

 

No, it's because like all left wingers you apply double standards, hypocrisy and only focus on the bits that suit your rhetoric and agenda. 

 

But most people can see that.

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Right, fake and politically motivated sites like Jones and Breitbart, so you don't know who to believe. Trust the MSM. They do make mistakes, but correct when wrong. But I'm sure you'll be able to find a few instances where that was not the cvase.

 

Like the Washington Post and New York Times? 

 

MSM is largely owned by media moguls who want to lean, sometimes very heavily, to their own political agendas and views. And may switch sides when it suits. Mr. Murdoch springs too mind.

 

False reporting of "facts" that support a desired agenda, with little real evidence, seems to have replaced journalistic integrity and professionalism.

 

Given that a free, and unbiased, press is an important component of a free democracy, as is a non politicized independent judiciary, things don't bode well for the future of traditional Western democracy.

1 hour ago, jinners said:

Versus the grown men who prefer to act like children

Are you talking about joe and the blm and antifa bunch.

3 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Like the Washington Post and New York Times? 

 

MSM is largely owned by media moguls who want to lean, sometimes very heavily, to their own political agendas and views. And may switch sides when it suits. Mr. Murdoch springs too mind.

 

False reporting of "facts" that support a desired agenda, with little real evidence, seems to have replaced journalistic integrity and professionalism.

 

Given that a free, and unbiased, press is an important component of a free democracy, as is a non politicized independent judiciary, things don't bode well for the future of traditional Western democracy.

I'm disappointed, not even examples of "They do make mistakes, but correct when wrong. But I'm sure you'll be able to find a few instances where that was not the case.". Only empty rhetoric, even confusing US politics with tradition and with western democracies.

13 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Looking at the many claims on here of people who claim not to be racists when their posting history shows otherwise, looking at the claims and actions of the Proud Boys, I would trust the governor of Oregon in this, Democrat or Republican.

 

Are you attempting to claim people who post here are racist? If so, man up and say so. Or is it you support the the left wing tactic of accusing any and all who dare challenge their agenda and rhetoric as being "racist, neo Nazi fascists"? Because the reality is that's a denouncement tactic favored by Stalinists, Maoists, and other extreme left totalitarian regime supporters. 

 

Having read of Governor Brown's handling of the Portland riots and others in Oregon, I'd be careful about trusting anything said. But maybe you believe what your want to believe?

 

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

I'm disappointed, not even examples of "They do make mistakes, but correct when wrong. But I'm sure you'll be able to find a few instances where that was not the case.". Only empty rhetoric, even confusing US politics with tradition and with western democracies.

 

Deny and Gobbledegook. The refuge of the left.

1 minute ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Are you attempting to claim people who post here are racist? If so, man up and say so. Or is it you support the the left wing tactic of accusing any and all who dare challenge their agenda and rhetoric as being "racist, neo Nazi fascists"? Because the reality is that's a denouncement tactic favored by Stalinists, Maoists, and other extreme left totalitarian regime supporters. 

 

Having read of Governor Brown's handling of the Portland riots and others in Oregon, I'd be careful about trusting anything said. But maybe you believe what your want to believe?

 

Many examples or racist posts, but no, naming posters here would be against forum rules.

 

Strange post from you though, asking me to name forum posters as racists, and in the same post covertly accusing other posters, without naming names, of being "Stalinists, Maoists, and other extreme left totalitarian regime supporters".

14 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

No, it's because like all left wingers you apply double standards, hypocrisy and only focus on the bits that suit your rhetoric and agenda. 

 

But you certainly don't!

4 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Are you attempting to claim people who post here are racist? If so, man up and say so. Or is it you support the the left wing tactic of accusing any and all who dare challenge their agenda and rhetoric as being "racist, neo Nazi fascists"? Because the reality is that's a denouncement tactic favored by Stalinists, Maoists, and other extreme left totalitarian regime supporters. 

But never extreme right wing regimes, right? Like, Hitler never used "denouncement tactics" at all, is that correct?

 

8 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Many examples or racist posts, but no, naming posters here would be against forum rules.

Why would this be against rules? Most people believe their race is superior in some aspects than others. 

Other people are terrified of being called a racist, probably as they don't know what it means.

 

5 hours ago, simple1 said:

Great group for trump to express support. Member convicted for street violence, self-admitted chauvinists. Members (vigilantes) often clad... in black and yellow polo shirts, wear body armour, and carry weapons, including firearms, paintball guns and baseball bats; excellent example of the American people - not.

.....but they are not racists. Sly attempt by dim-wit Biden's people to bring racism into the debate. 

7 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Kind of ironic really. A white supremacy group whose membership is multi-racial. 

Agree. Sounds More like a cohesive group suffering from testosterone poisoning.

3 hours ago, bendejo said:

There is a whole subculture in the US of this kind of stuff.  The groups with names are one thing, but a lot of these guys read the junk on the net (there used to be newsletters and mailing lists) and "self-recruit," just like with young fellows around the world who say they're part of ISIS.  No difference.

Look up:

Charleston church shooting

Look up Oklahoma City bombing.

(I don't want to post names)

 

 

Fits the psychological profiles of the reasons for inner-city males joining gangs.

47 minutes ago, Mick501 said:

He was asked by both Wallace and Biden whether he would condemwhite supreiscists and immediately replied, "Sure."  The rest of his answer sought to direct the conversation towards the far more dangerous threats of far left Antifa, who Biden would not condemn.

 

Left media have deliberatley falsified his response.

 

Trump was asked if he would. He said "sure". Alright.

 

Now, let's try and recall some other things Trump said he would do - Build the Wall, Reveal Financial Info, Drain the Swamp, Win the Trade War, Declare Antifa A Terrorist Organization - and which failed to happen.

 

This in mind, having him commit and immediately act on it was fine.

 

That you do not like the President blowing it doesn't change things.

 

3 hours ago, Paul Henry said:

The simple answer and probably the action both parties will take is to use the 25th amendment to oust Trump after he looses the election and before he can stir up the white supremacy groups. The leaders of the Republican party have already stated there will be a peaceful and orderly transfer of power.From the final result announcement until the 20 January 2021 Trump will do all he can to wreck the country. He has no loyalty or love for the USA only for himself and his selfish own gain.

I fear the only way to secure this is with an en masse rejection of The Donald and his ilk. Any, “close election” and it will not matter to me, ?I will have lost my country.

52 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Given the undoubted vast amounts of politically motivated fake news, false websites, deliberately misleading and fake MSM news reports etc - how do you know who to believe and who not too?

 

How do you know his belief his wrong and yours is right?

 

Without any silly extreme analogies please. 

 

Given that you (and other Trump supporters) often raise generalized complaints about the media, while at the same time failing to either clearly demonstrate them, or offer acceptable, viable alternatives does not make your point.

 

Let's start with this - is there such an Antifa webpage? Does it include the alleged information? Is there any credible source supporting such allegations? Something to confirm it?

1 minute ago, wwest5829 said:

I fear the only way to secure this is with an en masse rejection of The Donald and his ilk. Any, “close election” and it will not matter to me, ?I will have lost my country.

Never give up the ship brother the only way trump remains in power is fraud he’s toast I suggest you wax up the old long board there’s a blue wave building looks to be a big one!!

17 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

.....but they are not racists. Sly attempt by dim-wit Biden's people to bring racism into the debate. 

Maybe, but they do associate with white nationalists' groups and propagandise violence. What are you saying. they're OK for trump to condone with his 'standby' comment? trump claims he didn't know who they are, but trump has told so many lies, can't trust a word he says.

 

In 2018, McInnes was banned from Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram for violating terms of use related to promoting violent extremist groups and hate speech.^[17][18] In June 2020, McInnes's account was suspended from YouTube for violating YouTube's policies concerning hate speech, posting content that was "glorifying [and] inciting violence against another person or group of people.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_McInnes