2 minutes ago, donnacha said:

Yes. He was the first American president to make the plight of the Uighirs a matter of official policy. Most of his predecessors said nothing about many human rights issues involving China because they were too worried about upsetting the applecart.

Among those who actually care about human rights, even left-wingers admit that this aspect of his presidency has had good consequences.

 

And bravely mocks the ill.

I'm just afraid that Joe Biden won't be brave enough to comment on Trump's illness the way Trump did about Clinton's. Clearly Trump is made of sterner stuff.

33 minutes ago, donnacha said:

I'm not sure if that was @Opl's point.

I would say that China clearly took steps to restrict the spread of the virus within China while continuing to allow it to spread out of China, specifically pressuring the W.H.O. to echo China's official line rather than what the W.H.O.'s own people in China were reporting to it.

I don't think they were targeting particular people, just competing economies in general.

 

Sure because as everyone knows, exports are not a vitally important contributor to the Chinese economy.

6 minutes ago, serenedion said:

I'm just afraid that Joe Biden won't be brave enough to comment on Trump's illness the way Trump did about Clinton's. Clearly Trump is made of sterner stuff.

"brave"? 

Some psychologist did an experiment where he played a recording of a basketball game to viewers. Afterwards, he asked them if they noticed anything out of the ordinary. Most didn't. It turns out that during the game someone in a gorilla suit ran out onto the court. But the viewers were blind to that gorilla. Much in the same way that they are apparently blind to Trump's appalling behavior. The same behavior that they denounce in others.

24 minutes ago, donnacha said:

He was the first American president to make the plight of the Uighirs a matter of official policy.

And let’s not forget that Hitler built the autobahn. 

 

30 minutes ago, donnacha said:

Yes. He was the first American president to make the plight of the Uighirs a matter of official policy. Most of his predecessors said nothing about many human rights issues involving China because they were too worried about upsetting the applecart.

Among those who actually care about human rights, even left-wingers admit that this aspect of his presidency has had good consequences.

I'm sure his concern about these Muslims was genuine. I guess he didn't see any of them celebrating in New Jersey  the collapse of the Twin Towers.

20 minutes ago, serenedion said:

Some psychologist did an experiment where he played a recording of a basketball game to viewers. Afterwards, he asked them if they noticed anything out of the ordinary. Most didn't. It turns out that during the game someone in a gorilla suit ran out onto the court. But the viewers were blind to that gorilla. Much in the same way that they are apparently blind to Trump's appalling behavior. The same behavior that they denounce in others.

This is the problem. i have come to the conclusion maybe it's because Trump is the first White President  while Obama was the exception.   

29 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

And let’s not forget that Hitler built the autobahn. 

 

and developed the jet engine and rockets and a lot of their human experimentation info was  sought  out by the  allies also

Edited October 2, 20205 yr by bodga

8 minutes ago, Opl said:

while Obama was the exception.

you would think he would have sorted  all those black lives out in his time in office

32 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

And let’s not forget that Hitler built the autobahn. 

 

OTT but "“I just can't listen to any more Wagner, you know...I'm starting to get the urge to conquer Poland.” (Woody Allen)

1 minute ago, bodga said:

you would think he would have sorted  all those black lives out in his time in office

because Obama didn't think "black" as POTUS - while Trump thinks white... IMO 

2 hours ago, donnacha said:

When most guys his age are safely sheltering at home, his job demands that he constantly travel and mix with a large number of people every day.

His role is partly symbolic and important to the morale of the nation, so, he does not have the option to hide in a basement.

Whatever you may think of him personally, he and his wife caught this virus while doing the job that America asked them to do. They deserve better than the nasty, politically-driven narrative that Trump is personally responsible for the pandemic and that the Democrats would somehow have handled things better.

 

Bingo! I predicted in another thread that Trump supporters will soon try to picture Trump's stupidity as bravery!

 

Trump enjoyed the same fate as other leaders who believed they were smarter, I.e. BoJo, Bolsanero.

I don't wish ill on the bloke, but hope it is a wake-up call for the states.

14 minutes ago, candide said:

Bingo! I predicted in another thread that Trump supporters will soon try to picture Trump's stupidity as bravery!

Well, you predicted wrong. Nowhere in the post you quote did I say he was brave.

My point was that, like him or not, he is a public servant who got infected in the course of his duties. As such, your jubilation is rather inappropriate.

 

3 minutes ago, donnacha said:

Well, you predicted wrong. Nowhere in the post you quote did I say he was brave.

My point was that, like him or not, he is a public servant who got infected in the course of his duties. As such, your jubilation is rather inappropriate.

 

Ok. However he could have fulfilled his duty while respecting the rules and advices from the CDC, instead of weakening the country by contributing to infect not only himself but also likely other WH members.

 

BTW, as for his "duties", it was mainly about campaigning for the elections.

1 hour ago, serenedion said:

Most didn't. It turns out that during the game someone in a gorilla suit ran out onto the court.

that happens all the time, they used to run across the field naked years ago, hardly unusual.

8 minutes ago, candide said:

Ok. However he could have fulfilled his duty while respecting the rules and advices from the CDC, instead of weakening the country by contributing to infect not only himself but also likely other WH members.

The official advice has been in flux, at times knowingly misleading (initially advising the public against masks despite knowing they helped), and aspects of the current advice has been legitimately disputed.

The president's power is largely illusory. The main story here is that the apparatus of state, which spent billions preparing for an event such as this, would have utterly failed regardless of who was supposedly in charge.
 

 

8 minutes ago, candide said:

BTW, as for his "duties", it was mainly about campaigning for the elections.

Yes. All elected officials must be elected. What is your point?

 

Edited October 2, 20205 yr by donnacha

5 minutes ago, donnacha said:

The official advice has been in flux, at times knowingly misleading (initially advising the public against masks despite knowing they helped), and aspects of the current advice has been legitimately disputed.

The president's power is largely illusory. The main story here is that the apparatus of state, which spent billions preparing for an event such as this, would have utterly failed regardless of who was supposedly in charge.
 

 

Yes. All elected officials must be elected. What is your point?

 

Trump got infected now, and there is a agreement between health authorities worldwide about rules (laws) and advices to follow.

 

You talked about "duties", "job". That's different from campaigning for one's own interest or one's party interest. Ok, I know that for Trump, the distinction is not so obvious.

3 hours ago, Opl said:

Bolsonaro, B.Johnson, Trump, all populist leaders

DT is not a populist, he just plays one on TV.

 

 

3 hours ago, donnacha said:

When most guys his age are safely sheltering at home, his job demands that he constantly travel and mix with a large number of people every day.

His role is partly symbolic and important to the morale of the nation, so, he does not have the option to hide in a basement.

Whatever you may think of him personally, he and his wife caught this virus while doing the job that America asked them to do. They deserve better than the nasty, politically-driven narrative that Trump is personally responsible for the pandemic and that the Democrats would somehow have handled things better.

 

Misleading statement, he could have stayed in the White House and tweeted to his heart's content. He's traveling because his  method is to hold rallies of his adherents. No one has asked him to travel, except perhaps his campaign managers.  If he stayed at home like Biden has, his re-election campaign would have no oxygen.

I don't know if the Democrats would have handled things better, that's a red herring. The fact remains he deliberately downplayed the virus and sidelined the scientists who were trying to get control of the situation. Refused to wear a mask, setting an example for the cognitively impaired to follow. End result over 200,000 deaths and 2.5 million active cases, the worst by far of any nation.

After the first presidential debate, the opinion Trump is trying to improve American morale is one of the funniest I have read on TV in a long time.

 

I'm surprised a positive Covid test result is deemed international news. I had a short bout of common cold in October 2019 followed by a dose of Covid in February 2020. 

 

There's not much else to say or get excited about. 

7 hours ago, donnacha said:

When most guys his age are safely sheltering at home, his job demands that he constantly travel and mix with a large number of people every day.

His role is partly symbolic and important to the morale of the nation, so, he does not have the option to hide in a basement.

Whatever you may think of him personally, he and his wife caught this virus while doing the job that America asked them to do. They deserve better than the nasty, politically-driven narrative that Trump is personally responsible for the pandemic and that the Democrats would somehow have handled things better.

 

trump has wilfully ignored medical experts to at least wear a mask and has specifically contradicted his own Covid team's advice for the nation's general population. Now he has tested positive for Covid he's wearing a mask as are WH staff - too late - trump has failed to protect the people of the USA from harm.

Bottom line, this was preventable. He is easily on of the most hateable presidents ever, due to his immature, vindictive, irresponsible, racist, homophobic, sexist, narcissistic, untrustworthy, treasonous, contentious behavior. It's difficult to muster up any sympathy for someone who has the blood of tens of thousands of fellow Americans on his tiny hands. Kudos to Joe for taking the high road by pulling his negative ads. THAT'S how a president acts.

 

 

Edited October 2, 20205 yr by J Town

4 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Misleading statement, he could have stayed in the White House and tweeted to his heart's content. He's traveling because his  method is to hold rallies of his adherents. No one has asked him to travel, except perhaps his campaign managers.  If he stayed at home like Biden has, his re-election campaign would have no oxygen.

I don't know if the Democrats would have handled things better, that's a red herring. The fact remains he deliberately downplayed the virus and sidelined the scientists who were trying to get control of the situation. Refused to wear a mask, setting an example for the cognitively impaired to follow. End result over 200,000 deaths and 2.5 million active cases, the worst by far of any nation.

After the first presidential debate, the opinion Trump is trying to improve American morale is one of the funniest I have read on TV in a long time.

 

The fact that he allowed people to go maskless at indoor settings is bad enough. His family want maskless at the debate! The fact that  he himself wasn't feeling well  and still attended an indoor maskless meeting,  even though he knew that Hope Hicks was already ill, says it all. 

10 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

Glad to hear that Biden and his wife have posted negative for the Wuhan Cooties. I'd never wish sickness on anyone. 

I'm not a liberal. 

How about mocking someone for having a case of pneumonia? I guess that's approved practice for people on the right if Trump's behavior is anything to go by. But it's not like he's now the President or anything...oh wait a minute.

Edited October 3, 20205 yr by serenedion

25 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

Glad to hear that Biden and his wife have posted negative for the Wuhan Cooties. I'd never wish sickness on anyone. 

I'm not a liberal. 

Biden has announced that he's pulling all negative Trump ads for 14 days.  Can you imagine what Trump would do if it was Biden who came down with COVID?  Trump would be out there 24/7 viciously attacking Biden for being weak and stupid.  You know this to be true.  Fact is, we only have one candidate running for President who's a decent human being, and it's not Trump. 

The official reasoning for wearing  a mask was to protect OTHERS from the potential infection the wearer might have. NOT the other way around. So it's disingenuous to say that Trump got infected because he wasn't wearing a mask. This is backwards from the medical advice. 

4 hours ago, torturedsole said:

I'm surprised a positive Covid test result is deemed international news. I had a short bout of common cold in October 2019 followed by a dose of Covid in February 2020. 

 

There's not much else to say or get excited about. 

Are you the chief executive of a major nation? How did your stay in the hospital go? Did you flout the standards set by scientists? Scientists you appointed for this very purpose?

26 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Biden has announced that he's pulling all negative Trump ads for 14 days.  Can you imagine what Trump would do if it was Biden who came down with COVID?  Trump would be out there 24/7 viciously attacking Biden for being weak and stupid.  You know this to be true.  Fact is, we only have one candidate running for President who's a decent human being, and it's not Trump. 

YES - no need to debate anymore, facts speak for themselves.