23 minutes ago, stevenl said:

From previous discussions about this, tbl thinks manmade climate change is real, but it is too late to do anything about it.

That's not my memory of his posts, but I'll take your word for it.

26 minutes ago, stevenl said:

From previous discussions about this, tbl thinks manmade climate change is real, but it is too late to do anything about it.

I'll second that.  If I remember correctly, he prefers to ignore climate change and focus on over population. 

 

I agree over population is a serious problem and a contributor to climate change.  However if we ignore climate change and its consequence, over population may be solved in a manner nobody wants.

On 10/11/2020 at 12:20 AM, Throatwobbler said:

Nice rant. Has nothing to do with any facts or science but nice rant non the less.

I will give you that many Thais believe in ghosts but many Americans believe in god. No difference

Thanks (i think).

I didnt lay claim to any facts or science, just opinions.

 

So let me ask you:

Do you think a future presidents decisions  will have any bearing on the management of Covid?

 

Who (Trump or Biden) will get things back to normal quicker?

 

I have family to visit in USA and then intend to hook up with my partner in Thailand.

 

However i guess since Australia doesnt want to let anyone out, it sucks for me on all fronts

'Florida’s seniors, the state’s most reliable voters, are shifting away from Trump'

 

"“Right around inauguration time when he started lying about the crowds, I had buyer’s remorse.”

Now, Staruch, 67, is voting for Biden “to get democracy back and the rule of law,” and he’s speaking out about it to anyone who will listen. “I feel that same sense of obligation that I did when I was 17 and joined the military during Vietnam."

 

Mr. Staruch, you and trump are SO different!!

1 hour ago, pookondee said:

Thanks (i think).

I didnt lay claim to any facts or science, just opinions.

 

So let me ask you:

Do you think a future presidents decisions  will have any bearing on the management of Covid?

 

Who (Trump or Biden) will get things back to normal quicker?

 

I have family to visit in USA and then intend to hook up with my partner in Thailand.

 

However i guess since Australia doesnt want to let anyone out, it sucks for me on all fronts

Since a president knows nothing about science the best thing to do is listen to the experts. Do what they tell you is the best and fastest way to end it.

 

what you dont want is a president that ignores the science and causes many deaths.

 

im aussie, was told by the govt to return home, think that was around march. Im glad i didnt. I stayed in malaysia and still working. If i went home to aus i would be living under a cardboard box.

 

it is so stupid to refuse you to leave. They should let anyone go, just tell you that you may not be able to return, but thats not their business.

9 hours ago, pookondee said:

Thanks (i think).

I didnt lay claim to any facts or science, just opinions.

 

So let me ask you:

Do you think a future presidents decisions  will have any bearing on the management of Covid?

 

Who (Trump or Biden) will get things back to normal quicker?

 

I have family to visit in USA and then intend to hook up with my partner in Thailand.

 

However i guess since Australia doesnt want to let anyone out, it sucks for me on all fronts

So long as mask deniers promote the spread of the virus things won't return to normal unless an effective vaccine is developed and administered to a large portion of the population.  Neither President can make much of a dent in the stubborn idiocy of the mask deniers, but Biden is setting a much better example than Trump.

 

So long as Covid is running unchecked in the US, travel in and out will be difficult to impossible.

9 hours ago, pookondee said:

However i guess since Australia doesnt want to let anyone out, it sucks for me on all fronts

 

depends...

 

https://covid19.homeaffairs.gov.au/leaving-australia

15 hours ago, Lacessit said:

If you want me to trawl back through every post you have made to find where you said that, do it yourself. I have better things to do with my time. You deny climate change, ergo you reject the Larsen Ice Shelf is melting.

Presumably I have transgressed in the other respect. Sometimes that happens when I am irritated by people who ignore facts and evidence..

Sooooo, you had the time to make up something about me that is untrue and nothing to do with the topic, and then refuse to post the "proof" of your accusation. However it would be hard to do so as it does not exist.

 

I've often on TVF that said climate change is real.

 

Your convoluted attempt to exonerate yourself from posting a falsehood about another poster is scorned.

Bye.

Edited October 12, 20205 yr by thaibeachlovers

double post

Edited October 12, 20205 yr by thaibeachlovers

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Sooooo, you had the time to make up something about me that is untrue and nothing to do with the topic, and then refuse to post the "proof" of your accusation. However it would be hard to do so as it does not exist.

 

Stating I deny climate change is a lie. I've often on TVF that said climate change is real.

 

Your convoluted attempt to exonerate yourself from posting a falsehood about another poster is scorned.

Bye.

 

"Your convoluted attempt to exonerate yourself from posting a falsehood about another poster is scorned."

 

And by doing that (scorning) you directly contribute to global warming - 'hell hath no fury like a poster scorned'.

3 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

"Your convoluted attempt to exonerate yourself from posting a falsehood about another poster is scorned."

 

And by doing that (scorning) you directly contribute to global warming - 'hell hath no fury like a poster scorned'.

I wasn't aware that I was the topic.

Edited October 12, 20205 yr by thaibeachlovers

On 10/12/2020 at 9:56 AM, heybruce said:

So long as mask deniers promote the spread of the virus things won't return to normal unless an effective vaccine is developed and administered to a large portion of the population.  Neither President can make much of a dent in the stubborn idiocy of the mask deniers, but Biden is setting a much better example than Trump.

 

So long as Covid is running unchecked in the US, travel in and out will be difficult to impossible.

The thing i dont get is the vaccine might only be 60-70% effective in any one individual anyway.

 

Right now places like Thailand are obviously aiming for a 0% risk of anyone with Covid entering the country..

 

So what makes you think they will let ANYONE in (post Vaccine) 

If there is still a 30-40% chance of a vacinated person still being a carrier?

( and the vaccine will never be 100%)

 

Theoretically that means we could have these restrictions until....

 

Its just another reason we have to get life back to normal and manage this thing..

 

else get prepared for a world with:

 

- limited to no international travel

- tourism decimated everywhere

- all countries in depression at once.

- imports/exports being effected.

- companies folding..imported products        disappearing of shelves.

 

Not to mention, people going crazy from all the above, suicides,

families being separated, and folks NEVER having a decent overseas holiday again..

 

Not a very nice world huh?

 

Just open it up already and let mother nature triage, else we all go down.

 

 

 

 

On 10/12/2020 at 9:20 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Sooooo, you had the time to make up something about me that is untrue and nothing to do with the topic, and then refuse to post the "proof" of your accusation. However it would be hard to do so as it does not exist.

 

I've often on TVF that said climate change is real.

 

Your convoluted attempt to exonerate yourself from posting a falsehood about another poster is scorned.

Bye.

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1181888-wild-weather-this-year-shows-growing-impact-of-climate-change-scientists-say/page/3/#comments

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1141117-im-using-all-my-strength-to-fight-climate-change-says-merkel/page/7/#comments

 

33 minutes ago, pookondee said:

The thing i dont get is the vaccine might only be 60-70% effective in any one individual anyway.

 

Right now places like Thailand are obviously aiming for a 0% risk of anyone with Covid entering the country..

 

So what makes you think they will let ANYONE in (post Vaccine) 

If there is still a 30-40% chance of a vacinated person still being a carrier?

( and the vaccine will never be 100%)

 

Theoretically that means we could have these restrictions until....

 

Its just another reason we have to get life back to normal and manage this thing..

 

else get prepared for a world with:

 

- limited to no international travel

- tourism decimated everywhere

- all countries in depression at once.

- imports/exports being effected.

- companies folding..imported products        disappearing of shelves.

 

Not to mention, people going crazy from all the above, suicides,

families being separated, and folks NEVER having a decent overseas holiday again..

 

Not a very nice world huh?

 

Just open it up already and let mother nature triage, else we all go down.

 

 

 

 

The Covid travel passport will be the Antibody test not evidence of receiving the vaccine.

 

Where did you get 60-70% effective for the Astra Zenica vaccine from?

22 minutes ago, polpott said:

The Covid travel passport will be the Antibody test not evidence of receiving the vaccine.

 

Where did you get 60-70% effective for the Astra Zenica vaccine from?

In that case i hope antibody test is  watertight and doesnt bring up old or other illnesses.

 

I dont know about that particular vaccine, rather im applying the school of thought where many experts are saying most vaccines are only 60-70% effective.

4 minutes ago, pookondee said:

I dont know about that particular vaccine, rather im applying the school of thought where many experts are saying most vaccines are only 60-70% effective.

You got a link for that? It's certainly not true for childhood vaccines.

"For reasons related to the individual, not all vaccinated persons develop immunity. Most routine childhood vaccines are effective for 85% to 95% of recipients."

https://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/initiative/detection/immunization_misconceptions/en/index2.html

 

And effectiveness isn't just about preventing someone from contracting a disease. Take the flu, for example:

"When the viruses in the vaccine are a good match with what’s circulating, the vaccine can reduce your risk of having the flu by 40%-60%. And even when the match isn’t great, being vaccinated before you get the flu can help you avoid having a severe case. Numerous studies have shown that the vaccine cuts your risk of having to go to the hospital -- and if you are hospitalized, you’re much less likely to be admitted to the intensive care unit."

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200902/how-effective-is-the-flu-vaccine#:~:text=When the viruses in the,avoid having a severe case.

3 hours ago, pookondee said:

The thing i dont get is the vaccine might only be 60-70% effective in any one individual anyway.

 

Right now places like Thailand are obviously aiming for a 0% risk of anyone with Covid entering the country..

 

So what makes you think they will let ANYONE in (post Vaccine) 

If there is still a 30-40% chance of a vacinated person still being a carrier?

( and the vaccine will never be 100%)

 

Theoretically that means we could have these restrictions until....

 

Its just another reason we have to get life back to normal and manage this thing..

 

else get prepared for a world with:

 

- limited to no international travel

- tourism decimated everywhere

- all countries in depression at once.

- imports/exports being effected.

- companies folding..imported products        disappearing of shelves.

 

Not to mention, people going crazy from all the above, suicides,

families being separated, and folks NEVER having a decent overseas holiday again..

 

Not a very nice world huh?

 

Just open it up already and let mother nature triage, else we all go down.

Few vaccines are 100% effective.  However if a large portion of the population gets vaccinated the R-value drops below one and the infections will rapidly die out instead of spread.  That is the goal of vaccines.

Normal educated Americans have ALWAYS turned away from Trump-----just look at his Hate base

 

Gotta wonder why they carry nazi and confederate flags--I like to be on the WINNING side--not Losers!