1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

My observation is that there are many, many people in the west who seem to want nothing more than to implement a Chinese approach to the flow of information.  In essence, 'authorities,' or those who are part of the 'club,' determine what information is to be approved for public consumption and all other information is harshly censored.  Supported only by the people who side with the 'club.'

 

The president is not censored. He can, and does, say whatever he wants.

 

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

If the evidence off of these alleged Biden laptops is bona fide then it is plain that Joe Biden is in a serious position of being compromised and therefore a national security risk to the U.S. if he were elected president.  Can't have that.

If it’s not ‘bonafide’ it’s not evidence. well not evidence of anything Trump’s supporters will ever accept.

 

And it’s not ‘bonafide’.

 

So let’s sit back and watch this latest disinformation campaign unravel.

 

Enjoy

 

 

 

 

 

21 minutes ago, stevenl said:

That information has been confirmed online already. https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-laptop-real-fake-russian-intelligence-2020-10

Can't read the article without signing up and when you do hit the sign up button nothing happens.  In any case, if the evidence is bona fide the MSM doesn't have any way to spin or deny it.  For now the only way they can counter is to claim the evidence is faked and otherwise spin conspiratorial narratives which they don't back up with any evidence.  At least nothing I've seen yet.

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

Can't read the article without signing up and when you do hit the sign up button nothing happens.  In any case, if the evidence is bona fide the MSM doesn't have any way to spin or deny it.  For now the only way they can counter is to claim the evidence is faked and otherwise spin conspiratorial narratives which they don't back up with any evidence.  At least nothing I've seen yet.

Its not bona fide.

1 hour ago, TopDeadSenter said:

The problem with sweeping all this under the carpet(again!) - is that if Biden is elected the Chinese and anyone else with the data could easily blackmail Biden. The alleged 11 minute lewd video of Hunter engaging in "illegal" acts must be released. What father would not try protecting his son from such a disgrace? This is exactly the stuff blackmailers dream of. 

 

 The sheer volume of emails and documents on that laptop, together with Giuliani's credibility suggest highly this is the real deal, not a manufactured smear like peepeegate for example(which of course did not have all the media outlets that ran with that unproven nonsense banned!), or Trump's "hacked" tax returns which maddow ran and again - no ban). No justification banning this, other than that it hurts their candidate.

 

 

‘Giuliani’s credibility’

 

You’re having a laugh.

 

As for foreign governments ‘could easily black mail’ a US President, well yes that could happen, and almost certainly is happening.

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Yes, the Biden campaign has stated that this alleged meeting with Biden and Vadym Pozharsky did not take place because Joe Biden’s official schedules from the time show no meeting.

 

It's only logical that a criminal's first and foremost consideration when committing a crime, aside from the intention of actually committing the crime, is to conceal it.  Logically it would follow that holding a meeting involving criminality would need to be hidden, or off the books.  This point is not raised by the MSM as they attempt to use the absence of a meeting from Biden's official schedule as proof that the meeting never took place.  Therefore the only logical and plausible conclusion one can draw from the MSM's failure to mention this point is that they're involved in helping to cover up and protect Joe Biden.

Very clever stuff Tippaporn, your evidence of a meeting is the fact there is no evidence of a meeting.

 

Reality doesn’t fit your world view so invent some imagined nonsense to bend reality to fit your world view.

Edited October 16, 20205 yr by Chomper Higgot

35 minutes ago, placeholder said:

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Yes, the Biden campaign has stated that this alleged meeting with Biden and Vadym Pozharsky did not take place because Joe Biden’s official schedules from the time show no meeting.

 

It's only logical that a criminal's first and foremost consideration when committing a crime, aside from the intention of actually committing the crime, is to conceal it.  Logically it would follow that holding a meeting involving criminality would need to be hidden, or off the books.  This point is not raised by the MSM as they attempt to use the absence of a meeting from Biden's official schedule as proof that the meeting never took place.  Therefore the only logical and plausible conclusion one can draw from the MSM's failure to mention this point is that they're involved in helping to cover up and protect Joe Biden.

What crime would have been committed had Biden and Pozharsky actually met? What service did Biden provide him?

Seems you're not following the evidence or you'd rather ignore it.

 

Aside from the issue of a crime it contradicts Joe Biden's claim that he was clueless as to Hunter being on the board of Burisma or his involvement.  Joe Biden would then have lied.  And if he lied then what was his lying trying to hide?

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

Seems you're not following the evidence or you'd rather ignore it.

 

Aside from the issue of a crime it contradicts Joe Biden's claim that he was clueless as to Hunter being on the board of Burisma or his involvement.  Joe Biden would then have lied.  And if he lied then what was his lying trying to hide?

Thanks for not answering the question. What would be the crime if it turns out that Biden and Pozharsky had met?

Trump has been allowed to get away with lying, fabricating fake issues, deflecting from truth, and slandering his opponents for years now, and Twitter censored him once, and the GOP cries foul. No, the foul was not censoring him for all of this time. Good on Twitter for finally seeing the light. Always a benefit to the world, when truth prevails over fiction. 

4 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

If you have been paying attention, many MSM narratives are crumbling over the last few days. Steve Scully admitting he was NOT hacked(remember this from last week?) should be a major wakeup call. The debates was rigged, they used a neverTrump moderator. The left said no way. Now Scully admits he lied and was not hacked. Same will happen with this huge data trove. Occam's razor says it is real, the video and photos tend to prove the veracity of the claims they were really from Hunter's computer. I fail to see how people can try denying this?

This New York Post disinformation nonsense is crumbling, so I get your point.

No doubt hunter got jobs because he is the son of.  Did the father do anything for that, nobody knows. Did the Trump kids get jobs because of? Sure. Did the father do anything for that, sure.

 

So if anything happened, it is far less than what is happening right now at the WH. But anyhow, this story stinks, and seems to me made up.

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

This raises the question, too, that if the FBI did indeed have Hunter Biden's laptops in their possession, and if indeed there was evidence of Biden criminality contained therein, and if indeed the FBI's possession of these laptops and incriminating contents occurred before the impeachment of Trump then why was this exculpatory information in defense of Trump withheld?

Because it’s all a crock, would be my guess.

 

Hey, but ‘interesting timing’ don’t you think?!

36 minutes ago, placeholder said:

52 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Possibly.  But probably not.  How many examples would I need to post of the U.S. government withholding critical and damning information?

You mean with the head of the FBI having been appointed by Trump and William Barr being the Attorney General? Rational people use Occam's razor to decide such things. Others use Occam's cesspool.

The fact that Wray and Barr were appointed by Trump is meaningless.  Anyone who has every hired employees understands this.

 

Invoking Occam's razor and insisting that it applies here meaningless as well.  Rational people understand that Occam's razor is not to be applied universally for it doesn't always apply.

 

In any case, here's a very recent example, from 27 Sept. of this year.  Vid starts at the relevant time.

 

 

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Possibly.  But probably not.  How many examples would I need to post of the U.S. government withholding critical and damning information?

The US Government under Donald Trump and the FBI under the USAG Bill Barr.

 

These two seem to be awfully cunning in their efforts to help Biden.

 

Alternatively you are dreaming up conspiracies that don’t exist.

44 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

50 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What crime would have been committed had Biden and Pozharsky actually met? What service did Biden provide him?

Congratulations, first time I've seen a pertinent question on this thread. The rest is sound and fury, signifying nothing.

I've lost count of the number of times the MSM has been wrong on just about everything.  The questions would be typical of an MSM 'journalist.'

Well a two for one. A Twitter scandal(temp blocking ) and the news stories surrounding it! imop

Sweet!

Edited October 16, 20205 yr by riclag

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The US Government under Donald Trump and the FBI under the USAG Bill Barr.

 

These two seem to be awfully cunning in their efforts to help Biden.

 

Alternatively you are dreaming up conspiracies that don’t exist.

Deny, deny, deny.  Conspiracy theory, conspiracy theory, conspiracy theory.  Always the same tired response for everything.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I've lost count of the number of times the MSM has been wrong on just about everything.  The questions would be typical of an MSM 'journalist.'

I've lost count of the number of conspiracy theories Trump supporters seem to be able to conjure up at the drop of a tinfoil hat.

"Un-masking" goes belly up.

 

The next day giuliani drops Russian misinformation.

 

Backfired.

 

White House was warned Giuliani was target of Russian ...

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/giuliani-biden-ukraine-russian-disinformation/2020/10/15/43158900-0ef5-11eb-b1e8-16b59b92b36d_story.html

 

 

Wouldn't work even if Hunter Biden were running for President.

 

 

At least there's a smart one in the family...

 

Rudy Giuliani's Daughter Caroline on Voting for Joe Biden ...

 

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/10/rudy-giulianis-daughter-on-voting-for-biden

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 16, 20205 yr by mtls2005

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

6 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I've lost count of the number of times the MSM has been wrong on just about everything.  The questions would be typical of an MSM 'journalist.'

I've lost count of the number of conspiracy theories Trump supporters seem to be able to conjure up at the drop of a tinfoil hat.

You mean like the conspiracy theory that Trump's request to President Zelensky was driven not to harm Biden politically but to help with uncovering actual Biden crimes?

Both sides of the aisle are full of dog poop and both sides lie and then points fingers at the other side.  Carry on!

22 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Deny, deny, deny.  Conspiracy theory, conspiracy theory, conspiracy theory.  Always the same tired response for everything.

 

 

So far as I know there has been zero proof of malfeasance by Biden or his son even though extrodinary efforts by trump administration to do so. Today comes to light Giuliani was associating with known Russian intelligence agents who were using him for disinformation purposes. What's the count now with those associated with trump having links to nefarious actors from a hostile State.

Edited October 16, 20205 yr by simple1

US intelligence told Trump that “any information Giuliani brought back from Ukraine should be considered contaminated by Russia.” Trump “shrugged” and “dismissed concern” by saying, “That’s Rudy.”

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2020/10/15/thats-rudy-trump-reportedly-shrugged-at-giulianis-russia-ties/

 

 

rudy bein' rudy.

 

Beleive the Russians call them "useful idiots".

 

 

 

 

8 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

"Un-masking" goes belly up.

 

The next day giuliani drops Russian misinformation.

 

Backfired.

 

White House was warned Giuliani was target of Russian ...

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/giuliani-biden-ukraine-russian-disinformation/2020/10/15/43158900-0ef5-11eb-b1e8-16b59b92b36d_story.html

 

 

At least there's a smart one in tha family...

 

Rudy Giuliani's Daughter Caroline on Voting for Joe Biden ...

 

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/10/rudy-giulianis-daughter-on-voting-for-biden

 

Try to search for corroborating information contained in the WaPo article you linked to.  I found nada, other than other outlets reprinting the WaPo article.  Once again, only rumours by a whole lot of unnamed sources with no substatiations of anything.  The article even points out that:

 

“National Security Advisor O’Brien and White House Counsel Cipollone meet with the President frequently on a variety of matters. Ambassador O’Brien does not comment on sensitive intelligence topics, or on the advice he provides President Trump,” National Security Council spokesman John Ullyot said in a written statement. The national security adviser “can say that the President always treats such briefings with the utmost seriousness. The characterization of the meeting as described in this article is not accurate.”

 

Another smear campaign against Giuliani.  What else is new.  Just trying to smear the 'source' of the Biden revelations as a lame attempt to discredit those revelations.

 

Who cares about who Giuliani's daughter is going to vote for.  Has nothing to do with this topic.  Neither does the investigation into Flynn unmaskings.

30 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I've lost count of the number of times the MSM has been wrong on just about everything.  The questions would be typical of an MSM 'journalist.'

 and I suspect that if I were to continue asking you what crime exactly you think Biden has committed I too would lose count of the number of times you refuse to answer but deflect instead.

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

All of the Russian collusion, which turned out to be false, was not manufactured fake news?  That was all good with Twitter and FB.  Do you think people don't see the hypocrisy here?

You are aware this is most likely a russan disinformation operation done with trumps blessings that’s why it was pulled It’s now under investigation and the russan (interference)is proven along with trumps use of it in 2016 just not to the level of bring up a sitting president on charges especially with a corrupt attorney general covering for him

So many bitter posters here.  Why don't you guys give it a break, go outside and get some fresh air.  It might do you some good.  Sun, vitamin D and exercise are good for the old guys immune system and might lower your blood pressure a bit.

12 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Another smear campaign against Giuliani.  What else is new.  Just trying to smear the 'source' of the Biden revelations as a lame attempt to discredit those revelations.

In case you aren't aware, Trump has access to the most advanced, sophisticated, robust, and dynamic intelligence in the world.  The US spends billions of dollars on this, with thousands of professional men and women who do this stuff every single day.  That's all they do.

 

Yet, Trump relies on stuff from Rudy?  This makes sense to you??

8 minutes ago, simple1 said:

So far as I know there has been zero proof of malfeasance by Biden or his son even though extrodinary efforts by trump administration to do so. Today comes to light Giuliani was associating with known Russian intelligence agents who were using him for disinformation purposes. What's the count now with those associated with trump having links to nefarious actors from a hostile State.

From the WaPo piece:

 

The former officials said Giuliani was not a target of U.S. surveillance while in Ukraine but was dealing with suspected Russian assets who were, leading to the capture of some of his communications.

 

Unnamed 'former officials' and 'suspected Russian assets'

 

You stated "known Russian intelligence agents."  Evidence, please, and you won't find it in the WaPo piece.

 

Zero proof?  The evidence just keeps piling up.  It's not invisible.

By the picture I would like to say RIP Mr Trump, it is a good thing that you even lasted your 4 years as President.  Your Fired! 555.  my humour. and Sarcasm at work..

Geezer