China and U.S. economies diverge over coronavirus response

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China and U.S. economies diverge over coronavirus response

By Andrea Shalal and Gabriel Crossley

 

FILE PHOTO: U.S. President Donald Trump talks with Chinese President Xi Jinping at the start of their summit at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in West Palm Beach, Florida, U.S. April 6, 2017. REUTERS/Carlos Barria

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States and China dealt with the spread of the devastating coronavirus pandemic in vastly different ways, and that split is reshaping the global battle between the world's two leading economies.

 

About 11 months after the Wuhan outbreak, China's official GDP numbers this week show not only that the economy is growing, up 4.9% for the third quarter from a year earlier, but also that the Chinese are confident enough the virus has been vanquished to go shopping, dine and spend with gusto.

 

China's total reported death toll is below 5,000 and new infections are negligible, the result of draconian lockdowns, millions of tests, and strict contact tracing that set the stage for an economic rebound.

 

"China's success in containing the virus has allowed its economy to rebound more quickly, and with relatively less policy support, as compared with other large economies," said former senior U.S. Treasury official Stephanie Segal, a senior fellow at the U.S.-based Center for Strategic and International Studies.

 

 

In the United States, 221,000 people are dead from COVID-19 after a delayed federal response, partisan battles over mask-wearing and lockdowns, and plenty of public events that do not follow public health guidelines. The country is in the midst of a new wave of infections.

 

Entertainment venues, restaurants and tourist spots are closed or only partially open, millions of people are out of work indefinitely https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-economy-hiring-idUSKBN26R1N7, GDP is expected to shrink this quarter and the United States faces a gap https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-economy-biden-analysis/analysis-for-biden-ambitious-economic-plans-may-wait-on-battle-with-coronavirus-idUSKBN275182 in economic output that could last years.

 

"Obviously the U.S. government bungled it," said Harry Broadman, a former senior U.S. trade official and managing director with Berkeley Research Group. The singular authority of China's Communist Party helped Beijing enforce contact tracing and lockdowns, Broadman said. Other democracies, including New Zealand and South Korea, stamped out the virus as China did.

 

The real difference between the United States and China is Washington "has been arguing over stimulus issues on Capitol Hill and it's still far too little and too late," said Broadman, who has served under both Republican and Democratic presidents. "That has created more and more uncertainty on the part of business."

 

Ahead of a Nov. 3 re-election bid, U.S. President Donald Trump has blamed China for the spread of the virus and asserted his administration had done all it could to contain it. Asked during a town hall due to be broadcast on Sinclair Broadcast Group on Wednesday if he would have done anything differently, Trump said, "No, not much."

 

White House spokesman Brian Morgenstern said on Wednesday that China does not accurately report anything, "let alone data regarding coronavirus infections and economic growth." He said Trump was rebuilding a strong and inclusive economy with the expected arrival of new treatments and vaccines in what the spokesman called record time.

 

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Experts cite longer-term concerns about China's economic prospects, including the high debt levels of its state-owned companies.

"Reliance on investment-led growth, fueled by credit expansion, builds up even further leverage and risks in an already weak financial system, and will further pull down efficiency and the sustainable growth rate," said Mark Sobel, a former senior U.S. Treasury official.

 

But for now, the divergent responses to the virus will have an impact on the fierce political and economic rivalry between Beijing and Washington with ripples felt around the world, experts said.

 

"China's economy in 2021 is going to be 10% bigger than it was in 2019, and every other major economy is going to be smaller," said Nicholas Lardy, an economist with the Peterson Institute for International Economics.

 

That means China's "role in the global economy is going to continue to expand," Lardy predicts, making any attempts by U.S. policymakers to discourage other countries from deals with Beijing, or otherwise "decouple" China from the global economy, more difficult.

 

China's exports have been stronger than expected, bolstered by demand for medical goods overseas. While the IMF projects global trade volume will fall by 10.4% in 2020, China's overall share of global trade has grown.

 

Beijing is experiencing other benefits as well. "We see signs of China's success in the exchange rate and equity market performance at a time when many other economies are under pressure," Segal said.

 

China's fiscal deficit for 2020 will expand by 5.6 percentage points to 11.9% of GDP - a smaller-scale increase than the massive stimulus that Beijing deployed during the 2008-2009 financial crisis, the IMF's Fiscal Monitor shows.

 

By contrast, the United States will see a 12-percentage point increase in its 2020 fiscal deficit as a share of GDP, to nearly 19%.

 

While China's consumption is improving, retail sales are still down 7.2% over the first three quarters, with urban residents' disposable incomes down 0.3% over the same period. Strict lockdowns earlier in the year led to months of lost wages for many workers.

 

In Beijing, officials are highlighting their leadership role.

 

"China's epidemic control and prevention is at the forefront of the world, and China's companies are supporting the global resumption of work and production through their own resumptions," said Liu Aihua, spokeswoman for the National Bureau of Statistics, at a news conference where she announced the third quarter GDP results.

 

Meanwhile, the United States still lacks a robust contact tracing system, or enough testing, Lardy said. These are things the U.S. could have "done much better at without being an authoritarian single party state," he added.

 

(Reporting by Andrea Shalal in Washington and Gabriel Crossly in Beijing. Additional reporting and writing by Heather Timmons in Washington; Editing by Howard Goller)

 

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[Scott]

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[PatOngo]

Another 4 years of Trump and China will have the upper hand by far! Please America, get rid of this clown!

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39 minutes ago, car720 said:

and when all is said and done, multinational companies will still go there for cheap labour and to try to access the huge market there.

Actually a lot of them are leaving China for cheaper labor elsewhere. Places such as Vietnam, Bangladesh, some African nations. China is becoming a middle income nation. Whether it can become a fully developed nation is the question.

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2 hours ago, car720 said:

and when all is said and done, multinational companies will still go there for cheap labour and to try to access the huge market there.

Unless they get distracted by the even cheaper labour in Vietnam... And VN has nearly 50% more people.

 

The competition is still nipping at Thailand's heels..

[PatOngo]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Actually a lot of them are leaving China for cheaper labor elsewhere. Places such as Vietnam, Bangladesh, some African nations. China is becoming a middle income nation. Whether it can become a fully developed nation is the question.

 

Do you think the communists will ever let two billion people rise to that standard and question the status quo???

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7 minutes ago, mrfill said:

Unless they get distracted by the even cheaper labour in Vietnam... And VN has nearly 50% more people.

 

The competition is still nipping at Thailand's heels..

Vietnam has near 50% more people than China?

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1 minute ago, PatOngo said:

 

Do you think the communists will ever let two billion people rise to that standard and question the status quo???

First of China's population is about 1.4 billion. And the point of continually striving to raise its population's standard of living is so that they'll be content and won't question the legitimacy of the government.

[PatOngo]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

First of China's population is about 1.4 billion. And the point of continually striving to raise its population's standard of living is so that they'll be content and won't question the legitimacy of the government.

 

You are right, China 2020 population is estimated at 1,439,323,776 people at mid year according to UN data. China population is equivalent to 18.47% of the total world population.  The way they breed, it won't take long to reach 2 billion! Scary!

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6 minutes ago, PatOngo said:

 

You are right, China 2020 population is estimated at 1,439,323,776 people at mid year according to UN data. China population is equivalent to 18.47% of the total world population.  The way they breed, it won't take long to reach 2 billion! Scary!

Racist much?

 

China’s Looming Crisis:
A Shrinking Population

Chinese academics recently delivered a stark warning to the country’s leaders: China is facing its most precipitous decline in population in decades, setting the stage for potential demographic, economic and even political crises in the near future.

For years China’s ruling Communist Party implemented a series of policies intended to slow the growth of the world’s most populous nation, including limiting the number of children couples could have to one. The long term effects of those policies mean the country will soon enter an era of “negative growth,” or a contraction in the size of the total population.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/01/17/world/asia/china-population-crisis.html

[Scott]

Conspiracy post and reply reported and removed. 

[Ventenio]

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Edited October 22, 2020 by Ventenio