Warning! Ride slowly and watch out for dogs.

[Harveyboy]

13 hours ago, teacherclaire said:

 I have no idea if you've realized the number of dogs that are currently almost everywhere. On each road, Soi, at places where you'd not think that dogs are. It's the time of the year when dogs are in heat, so please be careful. 

 

  I almost crashed into two black dogs that were invisible to me because a car was in front of me. When I took over, there were two giant black dogs in the middle of the road at night. 

I was only lucky that nothing happened and my loud horns scared them away. But often there's no time to hit the button. 

 

Black dogs at night, watching the traffic, and in a Nanosecond, it could happen. Please be safe out there and watch out for these creatures.

 

Some owners let their dogs live on the roads, and they run after every biker. I've seen a girl falling near our place, but the dog could run away.

 

And the dog is, of course, back on the road. The owner doesn't show responsibility of his actions to let the dog stay there 24/7.

 

The next accident is only a matter of time. Ride safe. 

 

 

 

   

 

        

yes had a bad accident 4 months ago dog ran in front of my motorbike  luckily i wasn't speeding..but still enough to do a lot of damage put me in a few hospitals  ironically im writing this whilst waiting yo see my specialist at the hospital   still got probs 4 months on Because of soi dogs ..they are a menace for riders ...well that's passed a little time  only 2 more hours to wait   tks mate 

Edited November 5, 2020 by Harveyboy

[Lacessit]

18 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Good, sound advice there clair.

 

My eleven year old daughter is not allowed out after six on her own. If she has to go to the corner shop, about 80 metres away, I go with her, and carry a sturdy club. It only takes one larie dog to set the others off. There is a pack of ten or so in our short soi.

 

There was never this problem when we had the weekly dog wagon.

The problem lies with irresponsible owners.

Have a woman living next door in the village, bigwig in the local school. She has six of them.

Because she doesn't feed them properly, they come foraging for food in our rubbish bins if we inadvertently leave the main gate open. I've chased them out a couple of times with a stick, they know to stay clear of me. She gives me filthy looks, which I return with interest. I'd dearly like to tell her how ignorant she is, but my GF doesn't want me making waves.

[polpott]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

I would not have thought it makes any difference to anyone being hit by a car whether it has a bullbar or not, unless we are talking slow speeds and crumple zones. Statistics sometimes stampede bureaucrats.

If you are hit by a car doing 60 km/hr, I don't think it matters a damn.

Yes we are talking slow speeds and crumple zones when hitting young childern. In the UK the majority of 4x4s with bull bars were driven by suburban mums on school runs.

[Kwasaki]

11 hours ago, papa al said:

A young soi-dog darted out in front of bike last year

chasing another on opposite side.

Ran over with front wheel.

Ran over with rear wheel.

Bumpily bump,

kept on going.

Darwinism baby...

My guess was the dogs I hit were neglected dogs just let to run around outside by this 2 way single main road, I saw both were push off to the side of the road on my journey back.

The Versys 650 is a big heavy bike so it was like going over a big bump in the road.

A smaller bike or scoot probably a problem.

 

[teacherclaire]

29 minutes ago, Harveyboy said:

yes had a bad accident 4 months ago dog ran in front of my motorbike  luckily i wasn't speeding..but still enough to do a lot of damage put me in a few hospitals  ironically im writing this whilst waiting yo see my specialist at the hospital   still got probs 4 months on Because of soi dogs ..they are a menace for riders ...well that's passed a little time  only 2 more hours to wait   tks mate 

 

 

   

Sorry to hear that. Mate. My front brake malfunction doing only 30 km/h was crass. The right crash bar, not OEM ( too large), hit my knee right under the Tibia head and broke it four times.

 

  The idi+t doctor at the local hospital didn't even shave my leg when he put a plate in. The X-ray after the OP looked pretty much like Dr. Frankenstein's work.

 

I had to see the "specialist every month, together with 60 to 90 others because he only showed up on one particular day and usually hours too late.

 

 I knew that is would never be able to walk like that, but he told me eight months long that I'd be soon able to ride my bike again. Then I went to an excellent hospital where they were shocked when they saw the X-rays.

 

" We have to cut all in tiny pieces, then put it together, and after two years, we might think of an artificial knee joint:" I panicked and freaked out as I never did before.

 

I had to sell my beloved bike, make it back to Europe, and had the next very negative surprise. 

Not only an artificial knee joint was implanted, also, a bigger piece of bone concrete was forgotten, plus a severe bacteria also called Staphylococcus Aureus. 

 

 Five more OP's were needed, altogether nine, and I only still have my right leg bascule of an older nurse who warned me that it would be an infection. I went to the doc who made the transplants and was on the list for the next day.

 

A lady who had the same issue had lost her leg, pretty much the same time as the operation and nobody saw it. Please be careful that you don't get this bacterial infection.

 

They live on our skin but should never be in a wound. They eat your flesh without doctors realizing it and you'll need a good Microbiologist to get the right treatment. 

 

If you're waiting for such a specialist I had, then I wish you even more luck and a full and speedy recovery. I feel your pain, and old memories come back.

 

And there are people on here saying, "just ride over it". If there's anything you need help with, please page me.

 

Get well soon, please.

 

[teacherclaire]

15 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

My guess was the dogs I hit were neglected dogs just let to run around outside by this 2 way single main road, I saw both were push off to the side of the road on my journey back.

The Versys 650 is a big heavy bike so it was like going over a big bump in the road.

A smaller bike or scoot probably a problem.

 

 

 We have a Siberian Husky and she's very heavy. I doubt that you'd continue riding on that day if you'd hit her. Even a smaller dog blocking the front fender does the trick. 

 

 

[Andy from Kent]

14 hours ago, teacherclaire said:

  I almost crashed into two black dogs that were invisible to me because a car was in front of me. When I took over, there were two giant black dogs in the middle of the road at night. 

 

Claire,

 

It sounds like you chose to overtake a car in front of you when it was unsafe to do so.   

 

Were you in a hurry?

[richard_smith237]

12 hours ago, Mutt Daeng said:

Ok i probably worded my post badly. By appropriate injections I meant rabies and distemper. I do know what happens here after living here for 11 years. By every dog,I should have said that the guys from the Amphur go to all the houses and vaccinate all the dogs that live there.. Theres no need to be insulting. Im not making anything up.

 

Apologies...  

 

What about all the stray soi dogs?  the 1000’s roaming the streets with no owners etc...  the ones that are the real problem?

 

 

 

 

 

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, teacherclaire said:

 

I've seen an accident between Ubon and Sisaket where a bigger god ran into a Honda Accord, or similar. Imagine that a bike would have been on the road at this time. 

 

You can't just ride over a big dog as some people here suggest. There's the front fender that might knock you off. 

 

The car was so damaged that the whole front needed replacement.

 

And  I had my experience how bad an accident with 30 km/h can be when one crash bar hits your leg  after a brake malfunction with 250 kg plus your weight and breaks it four times.

 

An artificial knee joint will always remind me of that. It's not funny at all when your leg points at a different direction when you try to get up.

 

If I'd post the later infected leg, some members might lose their breakfast. 

 

Apart from the 2 dog kill notching stickers on my Versys 650.

 

Our Yaris got one too, the front spoiler was broken off hitting a dog (average soi size) of course nobody in the road knew whose dog it was.

 

Size of dog no matter much on a big wheel bike unless you were leaned over on a bend.

 

Sorry about the knee accidents can be part of life you have to live unfortunately. 

[richard_smith237]

3 hours ago, Lacessit said:

3 hours ago, polpott said:

Always known as bull bars in the UK........until they were banned.

That's a bit nanny state, isn't it? An essential for outback Australia.

 

Depends if you consider protecting pedestrians more important than having ‘bull bars’ for a roaming dog... 

 

You may call the banning of ‘bull bars’ a ’nanny state’ measure, I call it common sense - which is why Parliament and those in positions of decision making power have to make the decision for people, because those people lack the common sense to recognise the additional danger they pose to others, thus legislation is required.

 

 

[richard_smith237]

4 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I avoid driving at night, too dangerous. Apart from soi dogs that seem to be more active at that time, there are also more drunks and yaa baa users on the road.

 

Exactly that.... 75% of all road fatalities are motorcyclists (or passengers on Motorcycles).

 

I have no facts / stats but I’d hazard a guess that the vast majority are those with no helmets, riding at night, booze  involved and speeding. 

 

While ever present, the risk can be cut significantly, especially by not riding at night.

 

 

 

 

 

[Kwasaki]

19 minutes ago, teacherclaire said:

We have a Siberian Husky and she's very heavy. I doubt that you'd continue riding on that day if you'd hit her. Even a smaller dog blocking the front fender does the trick. 

Don't really get the front fender bit, what type of bike would that be.? I run straight over both dogs on my bike

A kinda hypothetical question hitting your dog wouldn't you say to be fair, you would have taught your dog road sense or you wouldn't be letting her roam about near main roads.

[Harveyboy]

35 minutes ago, teacherclaire said:

 

 

   

Sorry to hear that. Mate. My front brake malfunction doing only 30 km/h was crass. The right crash bar, not OEM ( too large), hit my knee right under the Tibia head and broke it four times.

 

  The idi+t doctor at the local hospital didn't even shave my leg when he put a plate in. The X-ray after the OP looked pretty much like Dr. Frankenstein's work.

 

I had to see the "specialist every month, together with 60 to 90 others because he only showed up on one particular day and usually hours too late.

 

 I knew that is would never be able to walk like that, but he told me eight months long that I'd be soon able to ride my bike again. Then I went to an excellent hospital where they were shocked when they saw the X-rays.

 

" We have to cut all in tiny pieces, then put it together, and after two years, we might think of an artificial knee joint:" I panicked and freaked out as I never did before.

 

I had to sell my beloved bike, make it back to Europe, and had the next very negative surprise. 

Not only an artificial knee joint was implanted, also, a bigger piece of bone concrete was forgotten, plus a severe bacteria also called Staphylococcus Aureus. 

 

 Five more OP's were needed, altogether nine, and I only still have my right leg bascule of an older nurse who warned me that it would be an infection. I went to the doc who made the transplants and was on the list for the next day.

 

A lady who had the same issue had lost her leg, pretty much the same time as the operation and nobody saw it. Please be careful that you don't get this bacterial infection.

 

They live on our skin but should never be in a wound. They eat your flesh without doctors realizing it and you'll need a good Microbiologist to get the right treatment. 

 

If you're waiting for such a specialist I had, then I wish you even more luck and a full and speedy recovery. I feel your pain, and old memories come back.

 

And there are people on here saying, "just ride over it". If there's anything you need help with, please page me.

 

Get well soon, please.

 

tks mate..bloody hells seems you went thru it sorry it turned out so bad  ..i had to laugh a little at what you said about specialist's only working certain days  mine Thursday afternoon i live about 10 hours from here but have to come weekly so i stay here to far to keep going back. i couldnt get an appointment with the same type of specialist till april in the province i live on....hoping for good news today as I've not seen my other half or my kids in a while .. ..ok mate im heading for the big room and thanks fir the kind offer  take care keep safe 

[ReLo]

do you have more bug news that nobody living in Thailand already new ?

 

so funny...

 

 

[ReLo]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Apologies...  

 

What about all the stray soi dogs?  the 1000’s roaming the streets with no owners etc...  the ones that are the real problem?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do not see any problem but some people seem to have a life full of them...

 

funny all...

 

 

[ReLo]

Nobody having an accident can say that he is not at all responsible for it !

if you drive any vehicle you should be able to control it whatever happens ! of if you are too old, just don't drive !

 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Depends if you consider protecting pedestrians more important than having ‘bull bars’ for a roaming dog... 

 

You may call the banning of ‘bull bars’ a ’nanny state’ measure, I call it common sense - which is why Parliament and those in positions of decision making power have to make the decision for people, because those people lack the common sense to recognise the additional danger they pose to others, thus legislation is required.

 

 

Funny about that, exactly the same was needed in Victoria to get control of coronavirus.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, polpott said:

Yes we are talking slow speeds and crumple zones when hitting young childern. In the UK the majority of 4x4s with bull bars were driven by suburban mums on school runs.

Fair enough, I daresay if the suburban mums were breathalysed, a fair percentage would be plotzed.

[bodga]

15 hours ago, Mutt Daeng said:

Then you try to divert the blame to the dogs owners for your poor judgement.

unlike the dog owners  poor  judgement then eh!

[bodga]

23 minutes ago, ReLo said:

Nobody having an accident can say that he is not at all responsible for it !

if you drive any vehicle you should be able to control it whatever happens ! of if you are too old, just don't drive !

 

prepare for this right 

 

[bodga]

25 minutes ago, ReLo said:

Nobody having an accident can say that he is not at all responsible for it !

if you drive any vehicle you should be able to control it whatever happens ! of if you are too old, just don't drive !

 

or  this,  must have been those drivers  fault too https://www.newsflare.com/video/327536/other/terrifying-moment-thai-truck-driver-falls-asleep-and-smashes-into-row-of-six-vehicles?jwsource=cl

[richard_smith237]

29 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Funny about that, exactly the same was needed in Victoria to get control of coronavirus.

 

You are comparing the banning of 'Bull-Bars’ on cars in a country with no roaming cattle or dogs to Covid-19 control measures. 

 

While I have opinions (for another debate) on the Covid-19 control measures and lock-down, using this as a comparison with vehicle safety is out there beyond the fringes of logic. It could be argued that you are comparing ‘apples to oranges’, but no, its more like comparing ‘apples to a spaceship’ the two are so distantly removed from any similarity....

 

 

 

[Lacessit]

40 minutes ago, ReLo said:

Nobody having an accident can say that he is not at all responsible for it !

if you drive any vehicle you should be able to control it whatever happens ! of if you are too old, just don't drive !

 

I'm 77 yo, I daresay I am more competent than 99% of Thai drivers. 10 years driving here, no accidents. I had to pass a defensive driving course before I got my first company car.

I'll wager the road statistics in Thailand show young drivers are over-represented, just as they are elsewhere. I'll also wager the vast majority of Thai drivers have no idea what to do if they have a tire blowout at speed.

Ageist nonsense.

[richard_smith237]

45 minutes ago, ReLo said:

Nobody having an accident can say that he is not at all responsible for it !

if you drive any vehicle you should be able to control it whatever happens ! of if you are too old, just don't drive !

 

 

Stopped at a traffic light and someone rear ends you. What responsibility do you have ????

 

-----

 

I was driving around a Multi-story car-park looking for a parking spot. Astonishingly a car attempted to overtake me and scraped the side of my car. It could be argued that was responsible for being there or driving too slowly, but really - was I responsible for that accident at all ???

 

Another accident. I was stationary, in an outdoor car-park, behind a line of traffic waiting to exit onto the main road. A taxi reversed straight out into my car. Is there a possible argument which places the blame (or responsibility) on me?

 

 

The problem with your statement ReLo is that its fundamental flaws are transparent. 

 

Stretching it a little: If riding a motorcycle down the road (within the speed limit) and a dog runs out from behind a parked car - is the motorcyclists responsible for the accident?

Should the motorcyclist have stopped because a dog ‘could have’ run out from behind the parked car? IF so, is the motorcyclist then responsible if he gets rear-ended ?????

 

The problem with your statement ReLo is that it removes all ‘real life’ practicality.

 

 

[Lacessit]

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

You are comparing the banning of 'Bull-Bars’ on cars in a country with no roaming cattle or dogs to Covid-19 control measures. 

 

While I have opinions (for another debate) on the Covid-19 control measures and lock-down, using this as a comparison with vehicle safety is out there beyond the fringes of logic. It could be argued that you are comparing ‘apples to oranges’, but no, its more like comparing ‘apples to a spaceship’ the two are so distantly removed from any similarity....

 

 

 

We'll have to agree to disagree, then. I was making the point when people can't act responsibly in either situation, the authorities do it for them.

Do you think bullbars would have been banned in the UK if there were no accidents with schoolmums and children? Some people are as dumb as soup, unfortunately.

[KC 71]

14 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Erm... this is a highly confusing post.

 

Your information indicates you have no idea of anything in Thailand, i.e. reporting stray dogs to the ‘appropriate authority’ and expecting something to be done about it. Then mentioning that ALL dogs where you live are given ‘appropriate injections’......  So it can’t be Thailand, but then you mention ‘Amphur’ !!!! 

 

Hilarious post, so full of BS.....

 

 

‘What are these ‘appropriate injections’ that the Amphur gives to ALL dogs free of charge ??... and how do you know every dog in the Amphur ??? as I wrote... so full of BS.

 

 

 

Get smart, if you are going to make rubbish up, at least make it believable. 

 

 

 

 

They give owned dogs free injections at the temple here once a year.Many strays were removed a couple of years ago, because of rabies.Maybe it varies from place to place though.

[KC 71]

2 hours ago, teacherclaire said:

 

 We have a Siberian Husky and she's very heavy. I doubt that you'd continue riding on that day if you'd hit her. Even a smaller dog blocking the front fender does the trick. 

 

 

she would probably outrun him 

 

[KhunBENQ]

35 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Stopped at a traffic light and someone rear ends you. What responsibility do you have ????

You live.

You are on the road.

You are in Thailand.

 

If you not live, no problem.

If you not on the road, no problem.

If you are not in Thailand, less problem

 

It's fascinating to read from those know it all, why not see, bla bla experts.

 

I once almost ran with my small bike into a cow that broke through the bushes and stepped on the road. I rarely do more than 40 kph.

Once seen a disgusting accident site with slit open cows on highway 1, cars smeared with guess what.

Not to describe all the cadavers of dogs on highways. Hardly a longer trip without.

 

[richard_smith237]

56 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

We'll have to agree to disagree, then. I was making the point when people can't act responsibly in either situation, the authorities do it for them.

Do you think bullbars would have been banned in the UK if there were no accidents with schoolmums and children? Some people are as dumb as soup, unfortunately.

 

You are pushing the bias towards ‘school mums’ for some reason. Yes, highly likely a school mum has been involved in an accident with a child in a car with Bull bars, as is a father, or any other member of society when Bull Bars were allowed on vehicles. Any vehicle with ‘bull bars’ is likely to cause more devastation when a child runs out into a road. 

 

It's clear that the reason ‘bull bars’ were banned is because they are unnecessary for the majority of vehicles which used them and never drove around a farm or highland roads with roaming sheep. 

 

In the UK, ‘Bull Bars’ were nothing more than an unnecessary ‘fashion’ accessory for the vast majority of people who put them on their vehicles, and perhaps with an afterthought to minimise the damage from a supermarket trolly ding. 

 

ALL modern cars are designed with pedestrian impact in mind. The bumper designed to push the impacted pedestrian onto the bonnet and not under the car. The bonnet designed to ’cushion’ the impact of a pedestrian. 

 

Thus the ’necessity’ for the bull bars in the UK vs the damage they cause in a pedestrian impact (shattered hips and knees) is clear cut to the point any debate is superfluous to common sense. 

 

For the same reasons the ’standup decal’ on Merc’s and Jaguars was also removed (due to pedestrian safety).

 

 

So.. I agree with your point: When people can’t act responsibly authorities do it for them. Thats because in aggregate society is limited by its lowest common denominator, regulations have to exist to control the lowest common denominator.

 

Some people call this ’the Nanny State’ which implies a degree of criticism that people are ‘controlling us’ whereas other see the common sense and benefit in laws which exist for our safety.  I may have misunderstood your [Lacessit] calling the ban on Bull Bars ‘a bit nanny state’ which (to me) seemed critical of the ban which favours pedestrian safety.

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, KC 71 said:

They give owned dogs free injections at the temple here once a year.Many strays were removed a couple of years ago, because of rabies.Maybe it varies from place to place though.

 

I think it does vary from place to place. 

 

In some areas guys are complaining about aggressive pack / soi dogs when they are out for a walk, riding their bicycle or motorcycle.  There are reports of stray dogs attacking children on beaches. 

 

Recently at a beach resort, dogs were an annoyance - there was no need for them to be there. Just stray dogs in packs. 

 

 

Yet other areas seem to have few Soi dogs. 

 

 

I lived in an area of Bangkok with lots of wealthy neighbours, the immediate area had no stray dogs, never heard a dog barking at night etc - I suspect someone somewhere in the area paid someone else somewhere in the area to deal with the issue. 

 

 

What is clear, given the frequent topics on this forum and in the news is that the ’stray dog’ issue is once again becoming a problem. 

I read (somewhere) that this government stopped the ‘dog snatchers’ from operating, which may have underestimated the reality that they are what may be termed a 'necessary evil'.