Sluggish Recovery for Pattaya Tourism

[Golden Triangle]

3 minutes ago, newnative said:

Meanwhile, nobody can answer why all those retailers expanded or remodeled, why all those new hotels were needed, why all those new car brands came to a dying town, why all the new housing was constructed, why a new hospital was needed, or a Terminal 21 could now be supported.  

What new hospital are you talking about ?

[newnative]

Just now, Golden Triangle said:

What new hospital are you talking about ?

Jomtien Hospital next to Chic Republic.

[bert bloggs]

On 11/11/2020 at 7:01 AM, Redvic said:

Pattaya has been slowly dying the last 5-6 years. Never mind using covid as an excuse. 

yes thanks to the Chinese tours.

[BigStar]

45 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

yes thanks to the Chinese tours.

Quite the opposite, of course. The Chinese tours have been promoting growth and development as noted here. There's a reason T21 has a special tour bus parking and offloading area where you may see Chinese tour buses pulling up daily. During normal times, of course. We don't like Chinese, however, so we're going to keep repeating this nonsense.

[BigStar]

12 hours ago, newnative said:

Jomtien Hospital next to Chic Republic.

And earlier, Pattaya City Hospital in 2013. It was planned to open in 2010 to coincide with TVF plaintive Death Cries such as Why Is Everything Closing Down? a year after 300+ shops had opened up in Central Festival. But, a public work, you know.????  

[BigStar]

1 hour ago, BigStar said:

And earlier, Pattaya City Hospital in 2013. It was planned to open in 2010 to coincide with TVF plaintive Death Cries such as Why Is Everything Closing Down? a year after 300+ shops had opened up in Central Festival. But, a public work, you know.????  

Also in 2013 Banglamung Hospital opened up a new 36 million baht facility. The public hospitals cater mostly to Thais but to some farang as well, as @ivor bigun can attest. So our doomsters must wonder why so many more public hospitals are needed, or were pre-COVID, given the widespread Death of Pattaya, now blamed on Chinese tours.????

 

They were always quite crowded, as you'd know if you went to any of them. The answer is that the Thai population of Pattaya vastly expanded during the supposed Death years. No doubt they were all serving as Undertakers and rubble clearers. I started to be consistently amazed at the parking shortages in Big C Klang and Tesco Nua at all hours. Years ago, you had an easy choice among plenty of empty spaces.

 

One issue, though, is that, unlike the Thai gov't, our ace TVF Cartographers refuse to recognize either Naklua or Jomtien as part of Pattaya and they don't appear on any of our official maps. Indeed the boundaries of Pattaya seem to have shrunk to merely "between Klang and Tai, and Beach Road and 3rd Road." That's so that all the major economic development and shifting of economic gravity to north Pattaya can be ignored amid continual chants about beer bar closings. Such is our virtual Pattaya vs. real Pattaya. This would still leave Pattaya City Hospital, however.

Edited November 12, 2020 by BigStar

[Leaver]

9 hours ago, BigStar said:

Indeed the boundaries of Pattaya seem to have shrunk to merely "between Klang and Tai, and Beach Road and 3rd Road."

Would that area not be the Pattaya CBD?  (Central Business District)  

[pattayadude]

On 11/11/2020 at 8:20 AM, MasterBaker said:

What would be the reason for tourists to come to Pattaya?

the excitement of getting headbutted hard by fascist thugs while strolling along the beach?

Edited November 13, 2020 by pattayadude

[pattayadude]

On 11/11/2020 at 8:01 AM, Redvic said:

Pattaya has been slowly dying the last 5-6 years. Never mind using covid as an excuse. 

Those who had serious illnesses in the past, Covid will hammer the last nail in their coffin

[jacko45k]

6 hours ago, pattayadude said:

the excitement of getting headbutted hard by fascist thugs while strolling along the beach?

Or hit over the head with a brick by a Beach mat vendor......

It sounds like all the issues are actually Jomtien these days, who'd a thunk it.

[pattayadude]

even the TVF is dead..lack of topics, lack of news..what's the world coming to!?

[3NUMBAS]

better that farmers move back to patters to employ some locals.no use hanging on for an upturn which could be 20 years away

[Pilotman]

Best fun right now is to go to Terminal 21, go to the third floor and shout as loud as you can and wait for the echo to come back.  The place is virtually deserted for large parts of the day and the shops empty. Funny thing is, It's been like that since it opened.  

[greeneking]

On 11/11/2020 at 9:53 AM, spidermike007 said:

 

Thank you. But, it will be used an an excuse. Anything other than taking personal responsibility for the problems they created, will be used extensively. Same applies to Chiang Mai (massive over development, and horrendous traffic and air quality) Phuket, and Samui. 

 

These issues and problems were becoming apparent long before Covid. And none were being addressed. Tourism had been declining for years already. The numbers were up. But the quality of tourist was way down. And according to everyone I spoke to last year, the year before and the year before that, income was way, way down. So, "this blame it all on Covid scenario" is somewhat disengenuous. Sure, Covid is huge. And the drop now is stunning. But, my point is there were plenty of issues prior to Covid. And are any of them being addressed?

Major changes need to be made, if Thailand wants to continue to enjoy the cash cow of tourism. Travelers these days simply have too many choices. Creativity is required. Progress needs to be made. Thailand cannot continue to be one of the least progressive nations on earth, and expect foreigners to tolerate that degree of ignorance. These seeds were planted over a decade ago. The hapless army has accelerated the process dramatically. If Thailand had a smart and competent PM, a qualified health minister, and a slightly intelligent tourism minister, they would stop this nonsense, and realize no tourism program requiring quarantine will ever work. Period. Even without quarantine, the numbers will be relatively small. But, at least it would be something. Testing is the answer for the immediate problems. 
 
The Thai army. Moving Thailand backwards, and inflicting untold pain on it's people. Time to go, guys. The people need competency, and they are speaking loudly now. 
 

It maybe the way is being prepared for Prayuth to leave with some honour and give an illusion that the situations are being addressed.

'Prime Minister General Prayut Chan o-cha said on Monday that he is willing to accept the Constitutional Court’s decision if they found him to be guilty of living in an army house and thus disqualifying him from office.'

Thai Enquirer Erich Parpart November 16, 2020

It is against regulation to stay in army housing after retirement.

“I have always been following the law and whatever the law said I will follow,” Prayut said on Monday.