3 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  If Labour would have voted for the deal, it would then have had the majority and it would have passed .

   Anyway, this wasnt a Labour/Conservative issue , it was about leave or remain and it was a cross party issue

So was Johnson a remainer? He voted against the deal.

17 minutes ago, vogie said:

And it was Cummins that gave the Tory government the majority it has now.

Three leading Labour MPs have spoken to Starmer about appologising to the leavers for the mess they created during the lead up to the 2019 GE, why don't you be a better man and start the ball rolling on here and start appologising for all the damage that the remainers have done.

 

Maybe we should start by asking David Cameron to apologize first? If it wasn't for his vanity and clamor for some sort of Prime Ministerial validation, the ill-conceived Brexit vote would never have happened in the first place.

5 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

7 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

And what possible merit does your preposterous, 'it could never happen in a month of Sundays' postulation on Labour voting for the deal bring to this morning's washing machine?

 

  Pardon 

 

Yes, I thought as much.

Mays deal was rejected by leavers , as it was viewed as being leave in name only and Mays deal was rejected by remainers because they didnt want to leave at all .

   May offered a watered down Brexit trying to appease the remainers and to get them to vote for it, so it would be passed .

   Had the reminers accepted to referendum result and agreed to leave , the UK could have left just after the vote .

   It was the reminers tactic of hoping all the leave voters would all die of old age and then having another referendum, which they thought they would win, is what caused the delay in the UK leaving the EU

8 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

Maybe we should start by asking David Cameron to apologize first? If it wasn't for his vanity and clamor for some sort of Prime Ministerial validation, the ill-conceived Brexit vote would never have happened in the first place.

 

  It was what the British public demanded .

5 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 Had the reminers accepted to referendum result and agreed to leave , the UK could have left just after the vote .

How so?

17 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Unchanged as in...there will be no compromise on fishing.......... as has been promised all along?

Promised? Time will tell, it usually does.

Just now, CorpusChristie said:

 

  It was what the British public demanded .

No it wasn't, it was what Farage demanded. Cameron was worried about leaking votes to him so called the referendum to take the wind out of his sails.

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  It was what the British public demanded .

It was what the rightwing of the Tory party wanted...they threatened to leave and join UKIP...Cameron wet himself and went mental....promising a vote in order to placate them.....not realizing the Mail, the Express and the rest of the rightwing media had been brainwashing the population for 40 years that the EU was the sole source of all the ills of the world.

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

Mays deal was rejected by leavers , as it was viewed as being leave in name only and Mays deal was rejected by remainers because they didnt want to leave at all .

   May offered a watered down Brexit trying to appease the remainers and to get them to vote for it, so it would be passed .

   Had the reminers accepted to referendum result and agreed to leave , the UK could have left just after the vote .

   It was the reminers tactic of hoping all the leave voters would all die of old age and then having another referendum, which they thought they would win, is what caused the delay in the UK leaving the EU

 

I thought she was doing a great job of slowly grinding down the remainer contingent's vote at each, successive roll of the Commons dice. But she was doomed by having the unconscionable DUP alliance batting for the other team despite the 50 million quid bung. She inherited a pigs ear from Cameron and simply made it worse.

15 minutes ago, polpott said:

No it wasn't, it was what Farage demanded. Cameron was worried about leaking votes to him so called the referendum to take the wind out of his sails.

 

...while at the same time, forgetting to turn on the Tories bilge pumps.

Edited November 14, 20205 yr by NanLaew

21 minutes ago, polpott said:

Because, as I have explained, it was the Tories that did the damage. The Labour Party imploded and only succeeded in damaging themselves. Just as with Cummings and his puppet Johnson, the real architect of Labour's demise wasn't Corbyn but Jon Lansman.

You explaining something means nothing when you are not prepared to take responsibility of the remainers disingenuous conduct in parliament, luckely most have been vanquished and relegated to the annuls of where the sun don't shine.

Your new leader Starmer has had more to do with Labours failure than Lansman, he was the architect behind 'the peoples vote' roughly translated as we want to renege on what the electorate voted for. 

3 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

It was what the rightwing of the Tory party wanted...they threatened to leave and join UKIP...Cameron wet himself and went mental....promising a vote in order to placate them.....not realizing the Mail, the Express and the rest of the rightwing media had been brainwashing the population for 40 years that the EU was the sole source of all the ills of the world.

 

Oh. So it was fake news way back then? Even before the soon to be former POTUS invented it?

5 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

It was what the rightwing of the Tory party wanted...they threatened to leave and join UKIP...Cameron wet himself and went mental....promising a vote in order to placate them.....not realizing the Mail, the Express and the rest of the rightwing media had been brainwashing the population for 40 years that the EU was the sole source of all the ills of the world.

 

   It was the British public supporting UKIP that forced Cameroons hand in calling for a referendum 

Just now, CorpusChristie said:

 

   It was the British public supporting UKIP that forced Cameroons hand in calling for a referendum 

Same difference 

28 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

Maybe we should start by asking David Cameron to apologize first? If it wasn't for his vanity and clamor for some sort of Prime Ministerial validation, the ill-conceived Brexit vote would never have happened in the first place.

That nasty D word 'Democracy' raises its ugly head again. Maybe we'd be better going down the route of North Korea and have total dictatorship.

10 minutes ago, vogie said:

That nasty D word 'Democracy' raises its ugly head again. Maybe we'd be better going down the route of North Korea and have total dictatorship.

 

C'mon @vogie, that's a pretty weak excuse for any argument and you know it. You can do better than that, no?

50 minutes ago, vogie said:

You explaining something means nothing when you are not prepared to take responsibility of the remainers disingenuous conduct in parliament,

Yet again you are in denial. It was the Tory's disingenuous conduct in parliament that delayed brexit.

 

Something you have great difficulty dealing with.

50 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   It was the British public supporting UKIP that forced Cameroons hand in calling for a referendum 

A small percentage of the British public. In all the years of existence of UKIP/Brexit party, how many parliamentry seats have they won? They have stood for hundreds. Always were a minority party with minority support.

5 minutes ago, polpott said:

Yet again you are in denial. It was the Tory's disingenuous conduct in parliament that delayed brexit.

 

Something you have great difficulty dealing with.

 

   It was the Remainers who caused the delay of Brexit , firstly by May having to offer a watered down Brexit to appease them and secondly by voting against all proposals 

10 minutes ago, polpott said:

Yet again you are in denial. It was the Tory's disingenuous conduct in parliament that delayed brexit.

 

Something you have great difficulty dealing with.

You are failing to understand that there are MPs in parliament other than Tories that are entitled a vote, should they or their leader chose to ignore their right to vote, that is no fault of the government. They thought that they could bring the government down and they got owned. Labours worst election result in 80 + years, all by ignoring the wishes of the people, luckely we had Dom Cummings to rectify Labours misunderstandings of how parliament should work. Corbyn listened to the wrong people including Starmer, who incidentely backed him up to the hilt on all matters, now he is leader he ousted him.???????????? Always somebody elses fault with the remainers.

Edited November 14, 20205 yr by vogie

Just now, CorpusChristie said:

 

   It was the Remainers who caused the delay of Brexit , firstly by May having to offer a watered down Brexit to appease them and secondly by voting against all proposals 

It was to appease her own Tory rebels. You have a very short memory. Torys had a majority. Labour had no power to vote anything down.

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

You are failing to understand that there are MPs in parliament other than Tories that are entitled a vote, should they or their leader chose to ignore their right to vote, that is no fault of the government. They thought that they could bring the government down and they got owned. Labours worst election result in 80 + years, all by ignoring the wishes of the people, luckely we had Dom Cummings to rectify Labours misunderstandings of how parliament should work. Corbyn listened to the wrong people including Starmet, who incidentely backed him up to the hilt on all matters, now he is leader he ousted him.???????????? Always somebody elses fault with the remainers.

You have consistently failed to understand that the Torys had a majority but failed to use it due to their own infighting. They were the architects of their own demise.

5 minutes ago, polpott said:

A small percentage of the British public. In all the years of existence of UKIP/Brexit party, how many parliamentry seats have they won? They have stood for hundreds. Always were a minority party with minority support.

  3 . 8 Million people voted for UKIP in the 2015 UK elections , third biggest political party in the UK and their support was growing .

   Their only aim was for the UK to leave the EU and over half the UKs population supported that ideology 

3 minutes ago, polpott said:

You have consistently failed to understand that the Torys had a majority but failed to use it due to their own infighting. They were the architects of their own demise.

Demise equates to an 80 seat majority? I'll take that every time.

 

6 minutes ago, polpott said:

It was to appease her own Tory rebels. You have a very short memory. Torys had a majority. Labour had no power to vote anything down.

 

   If Labour MP's had all voted for Mays deal , it would have passed 

3 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   If Labour MP's had all voted for Mays deal , it would have passed 

If Tory MPs had all voted for Mays deal it would have passed.

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

Demise equates to an 80 seat majority? I'll take that every time.

 

Demise as in passing a quick oven ready deal.

Just now, polpott said:

If Tory MPs had all voted for Mays deal it would have passed.

 

  Mays deal was unacceptable because it was regarded as Brino and it was Brino to appeal to the Remainers 

4 minutes ago, polpott said:

If Tory MPs had all voted for Mays deal it would have passed.

 

  Do you think that ALL Labour supporters and ALL Labour M.P's wanted to remain in the EU and that All Conservative supporters and MP's wanted to leave ?