Good news about COVID-19 vaccines expected next month – Dr. Yong

[rooster59]

Good news about COVID-19 vaccines expected next month – Dr. Yong

 

File Photo: A researcher at the Chula Vaccine Development Centre shows a tube of vaccine prototype. This prototype is now being tested on macaques.

 

There may be some positive news about effective COVID-19 vaccines next month, according to Dr. Yong Poovorawan, Chulalongkorn University’s well known virologist.

 

He said that several candidate vaccines, with high efficacy, are in the last stage of trials and an announcement is expected soon.

 

An ideal vaccine must be effective in the prevention of the disease, with minimal or no side effects. It should be able to be kept at room temperature, be mass-produced at low cost and affordable to most people, said Dr. Yong.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/good-news-about-covid-19-vaccines-expected-next-month-dr-yong/

 

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[Truth Will Set You Free]

 

11 minutes ago, rooster59 said:

He said that several candidate vaccines, with high efficacy, are in the last stage of trials and an announcement is expected soon.

So, there have been volunteers in Thailand? What age group? 

[Somchai Jackson]

I sure hope we can get vaccines soon so we can get immunity passports and can travel across borders again.

[Peter Denis]

1 hour ago, Truth Will Set You Free said:

So, there have been volunteers in Thailand? What age group? 

According to the article > This prototype is now being tested on macaques.

But I doubt whether these volunteered. ????

[Bluetongue]

They must have cooperation with country/ies that have Covid outbreaks, wouldn't seem much point trialing a vaccine on people here

[Flying Saucage]

4 hours ago, rooster59 said:

An ideal vaccine must be effective in the prevention of the disease, with minimal or no side effects. It should be able to be kept at room temperature, be mass-produced at low cost and affordable to most people, said Dr. Yong.

 

And from the full article:

 

"Dr. Yong, however, noted that the mRNA vaccine, produced by Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech, must be kept at a temperature as low as -70°C and, when it is to be administered, it must be warmed to 2-8°C and used within 4-7 days. 
As far as Thailand is concerned, he said that there is a slim chance that the country will have the facility for mass storage of a vaccine at -70oC, adding such a freezer costs as much as a car."

 

I sense first preparations already under way to create excuses for a delay of vaccination in Thailand, to keep emergency measures and closed borders legitimate longer. 

 

It should not be a big issue to keep a vaccine at the required temperatures. You just have to use dry ice (minus 79°C) or liquid Nitrogene (minus 196°C) The latter is about as cheap as milk (about 50 Baht per liter), and easily available everywhere in Thailand. It can be transported in every Thermos bottle. Dry ice should be available as easily, given the big food industry in Thailand.

 

So, why exactly is Yong again staring his biased messages? Working at a university, he should know these facts very well. Rhetorical question, of course. It's quite clear that he acts more as a mouthpiece of the junta than as a scientist, when it is about Covid.

 

 

Edited November 14, 2020 by Flying Saucage

[gillap]

How is it they suddenly have a vaccine for covid-19...a VIRUS apparently with many strains ...and they don't have a vaccine for AIDS yet! Makes one wonder...right? I will NOT be getting this vaccine if I have a choice...!

[Justgrazing]

4 hours ago, rooster59 said:

 

An ideal vaccine must be effective in the prevention of the disease, with minimal or no side effects. It should be able to be kept at room temperature, be mass-produced at low cost and affordable to most people, said Dr. Yong

 

ding dong you ain't wrong there Doc Yong especially if you can get it for a song and folk ain't waiting long .. even if you were on the bong shortly before saying that .. 

[Flying Saucage]

Please also note this gem: 

 

"Dr. Yong, ... said that there is a slim chance that the country will have the facility for mass storage of a vaccine at -70oC, adding such a freezer costs as much as a car."

 

LMAO! How ridiculous is this, when at the same time they buy submarines, private jets, and plan a bridge over the gulf of Thailand. Comedy gold coming from a ridiculous geriatric junta-loving dinosaur in a white coat.

 

Edited November 14, 2020 by Flying Saucage

[KannikaP]

1 minute ago, Flying Saucage said:

such a freezer costs as much as a car.

A Lada or a Roller?

[John Drake]

28 minutes ago, Flying Saucage said:

As far as Thailand is concerned, he said that there is a slim chance that the country will have the facility for mass storage of a vaccine at -70oC, adding such a freezer costs as much as a car."

 

This will come as a shock to the posters in the other thread on the rising baht and vaccines. I guess you needed more than a styrofoam box and dry ice after all.

[John Drake]

38 minutes ago, Flying Saucage said:

It should not be a big issue to keep a vaccine at the required temperatures. You just have to use dry ice (minus 79°C) or liquid Nitrogene (minus 196°C) The latter is about as cheap as milk (about 50 Baht per liter), and easily available everywhere in Thailand. It can be transported in every Thermos bottle. Dry ice should be available as easily, given the big food industry in Thailand.

 

Are you serious. You count on the shipping of a highly fragile virus vaccine with a limited lifespan and think a thermos and dry ice will do the trick. No way in heck. Not to mention this is the same transportation system responsible for derailed trains, crashing buses, logjammed highways, and mad truckers with unlimited brake failure.

Edited November 14, 2020 by John Drake

[Susco]

38 minutes ago, Flying Saucage said:

It should not be a big issue to keep a vaccine at the required temperatures. You just have to use dry ice (minus 79°C) or liquid Nitrogene (minus 196°C) The latter is about as cheap as milk (about 50 Baht per liter), and easily available everywhere in Thailand. It can be transported in every Thermos bottle. Dry ice should be available as easily, given the big food industry in Thailand.

 

You mean Dr Fauci is an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about, when he says that the cold storage would have challenges even in the developed world, and you know it better?

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cold-storage-challenges-could-hamper-164654773.html

 

Anthony Fauci, director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, on Wednesday said it would be challenging to distribute vaccines that use messenger RNA based technology in developing countries, owing to their cold storage requirements.

 

In a country like the UK and the United States we can address them and it still would be challenging. But, probably much more challenging in countries in the developing world," Fauci said at the Financial Times' global pharmaceutical and biotechnology conference.

[CapeTown]

Not to worry to much about -70° temp for mRNA vaccine. It is ok for 3 to 5 days at room temperature.

 

The issue is, will there be enough to go around? Cos Pfizer can make 1.3 billion next year, which will do 650m people or 10% of the world's population.

 

Then, you gotta hope the others in stage 3 make it through.

 

And finally, you expect the Thai authorities to stop trying to scam visitors and foreign residents and open up to tourists carrying immunised certificates. (Good for 20% GDP and the poorer half of the population.)

[Flying Saucage]

19 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

You mean Dr Fauci is an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about, when he says that the cold storage would have challenges even in the developed world, and you know it better?

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cold-storage-challenges-could-hamper-164654773.html

 

Anthony Fauci, director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, on Wednesday said it would be challenging to distribute vaccines that use messenger RNA based technology in developing countries, owing to their cold storage requirements.

 

In a country like the UK and the United States we can address them and it still would be challenging. But, probably much more challenging in countries in the developing world," Fauci said at the Financial Times' global pharmaceutical and biotechnology conference.

 

From your link:

 

"'It does have cold-chain challenges as it were. In a country like the UK and the United States we can address them and it still would be challenging. But, probably much more challenging in countries in the developing world,' Fauci said"

 

He might be refering to Papua or Sudan. But definitely not to Thailand. Every university uses liquid Nitrogen every day, every hospital, and companies like PTT. This is very normal, and liquid Nitrogen is very common, cheap and convenient cooling medium in the industry and science. In Thailand suppliers as Linde, AirLiquide, Praxair and others have big plants. Same is valid for dry ice. Cold storage is definitely no issue at all in Thailand.

 

Also see this Thai website:

https://www.ulvac.co.th/en/liquid-nitrogen-generators/

 

 

Edited November 14, 2020 by Flying Saucage

[Cake Monster]

5 hours ago, rooster59 said:

An ideal vaccine must be effective in the prevention of the disease, with minimal or no side effects. It should be able to be kept at room temperature, be mass-produced at low cost and affordable to most people, said Dr. Yong.

I guess he has already ruled out the Pfizer Vaccine with this statement as being  " far from an Ideal Vaccine ".

His statement reads like a section from a Kids Text Book on Vaccines.

[John Drake]

Apparently this applies to the existing cold storage system in Thailand, which appears to be geared to between 2 and 8 degrees, not -79.

 

In 2014,  Duangpun Kritchanchai published a study entitled A Framework for Healthcare Supply Chain Improvement in Thailand.  It details past and current problems of the healthcare supply system at that time, including the challenges in the cold chain pharma that store and transport pharmaceuticals, including vaccines.

In one section,  Kritchanchai cites this example:

The GlaxoSmithKline, a pharmaceutical company, found that the traditional customer-managed inventory is no longer appropriate to the company. It leads to the inability to meet changing demand patterns and increased transportation costs due to inefficient planning and difficulties for the supplier to determine production capacity (Danese, 2004). Sooksriwong and Bussaparoek (2009) found that ineffective cold chain management during transportation affects products’ quality and stability.

Additionally, the study attributes the problem to the fragmentation of the pharma cold chain industry. The parties involved “tend to operate independently without coordinated effort or any particular concern on alliance formation”. Assessing the health supply chain problem that includes the pharma cold chain, the author represented the issues and solution in this matrix:

After identifying the main three areas of improvement,  which are:

1. Inefficient business processes.
2. Data inconsistency
3. Fragmented supply chain system

https://pharma-mon.com/drug-storage-monitoring/a-closer-look-at-thailands-supply-chain-logistics-for-vaccines/

[Lingba]

4 hours ago, Somchai Jackson said:

I sure hope we can get vaccines soon so we can get immunity passports and can travel across borders again.

Immunity passports?....

[ChouDoufu]

1 hour ago, Flying Saucage said:

 

And from the full article:

 

"Dr. Yong, however, noted that the mRNA vaccine, produced by Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech, must be kept at a temperature as low as -70°C and, when it is to be administered, it must be warmed to 2-8°C and used within 4-7 days. 
As far as Thailand is concerned, he said that there is a slim chance that the country will have the facility for mass storage of a vaccine at -70oC, adding such a freezer costs as much as a car."

 

I sense first preparations already under way to create excuses for a delay of vaccination in Thailand, to keep emergency measures and closed borders legitimate longer. 

 

It should not be a big issue to keep a vaccine at the required temperatures. You just have to use dry ice (minus 79°C) or liquid Nitrogene (minus 196°C) The latter is about as cheap as milk (about 50 Baht per liter), and easily available everywhere in Thailand. It can be transported in every Thermos bottle. Dry ice should be available as easily, given the big food industry in Thailand.

 

So, why exactly is Yong again staring his biased messages? Working at a university, he should know these facts very well. Rhetorical question, of course. It's quite clear that he acts more as a mouthpiece of the junta than as a scientist, when it is about Covid.

 

 

 

sorry, no deep state conspiracy, just reality.

 

you expect a country that can't manage to build simple sewer drains to effectively handle ultra-cold vaccines?

 

reminds me of that terrorist who planned to get a bucket of uranium and spin it around on a rope, really really really fast, in order to separate isotopes.

[Flying Saucage]

12 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

sorry, no deep state conspiracy, just reality.

 

you expect a country that can't manage to build simple sewer drains to effectively handle ultra-cold vaccines?

 

reminds me of that terrorist who planned to get a bucket of uranium and spin it around on a rope, really really really fast, in order to separate isotopes.

 

I understand your point, but the situation in the industry is definitely a different one. And, minus 80°C is everything but ultra-cold!

 

Are you aware that Thailand uses a lot of LNG? LNG is produced and supplied in batches of thousands of tons, transported in huge tankers on the ocean, and it is stored and transported at minus 161°C! In Thailand, even power plants are fired by LNG. 

 

Believe me, the arguments of Yong are nothing but politically motivated scaremongering. It might be difficult for Thailand to receive a enough vaccine in the beginning (which also is political failure of the junta then), but storage and transport of any arbitrary volumes at minus 80°C is absolutely easy and no issue at all.

 

 

Edited November 14, 2020 by Flying Saucage

[fondue zoo]

They may have the ingredients to make "cold" but reliable transport and static storage infrastructure is definitely going to be a problem here.

Not to mention the all too common, "that's good enough" approach.

Edited November 14, 2020 by fondue zoo

[ChipButty]

be mass-produced at low cost and affordable to most people, said Dr. Yong.

 

But, not to Farang

[Flying Saucage]

This is how LNG is transported at minus 161°C also over the gulf of Thailand:

 

 

But they claim to be unable to transport some bottles of vaccine at minus 80°C? How ridiculous is that!

Edited November 14, 2020 by Flying Saucage

[fondue zoo]

5 minutes ago, Flying Saucage said:

This is how LNG is transported at minus 161°C also over the gulf of Thailand:

 

Apples and oranges

[Sheryl]

5 hours ago, Truth Will Set You Free said:

 

So, there have been volunteers in Thailand? What age group? 

He is not referring to Thailand but rather to trials worldwide. It would be impossible to do Phase III trials in Thailand, not enough COVID transmission.

[Flying Saucage]

6 minutes ago, Flying Saucage said:

This is how LNG is transported at minus 161°C also over the gulf of Thailand:

 

But they claim to be unable to transport some bottles of vaccine at minus 80°C? How ridiculous is that!

 

 And how about this LNG storage in Map Tha Phut, at minus 161°C:

 

[jollyhangmon]

54 minutes ago, Susco said:

I'm surprised the usual potheads haven't entered the discussion, and claim THC cures it, because that cures about every disease known to mankind.

 

... oh but it does, please try to keep up, just needs to be smoked rectally to achieve instant healing.

 

[Flying Saucage]

17 minutes ago, fondue zoo said:

 

Apples and oranges

 

Sure, agree. LNG requires a pressure vessel, while for liquid Nitrogen a Thermos bottle is sufficient, and for the transport of the vaccine in dry ice a styrofoam box does the job.

 

Edited November 14, 2020 by Flying Saucage

[Catoni]

5 hours ago, Somchai Jackson said:

I sure hope we can get vaccines soon so we can get immunity passports and can travel across borders again.

  You mean an International Certificate of Vaccination or Prophylaxis.  Like the yellow I.C.V.P. needed to enter many countries if you have been in an area of the world where there is Yellow Fever. 
     I have mine. One shot of Yellow Fever vaccine is now good for life according to the WHO and CDC. 
   Yes... I can see the International Certificate of Vaccination or Prophylaxis also being used for certifying vaccination for Covid-19.  There is room in the certificate for other verified vaccinations beyond just Yellow Fever vaccination. 

[teacherclaire]

Please keep all your vaccination for yourself. 

 

  If they work for monkeys, they might not work for us.

 

  But what do I know? I just don't want an vaccination.