As legal blitz flounders, Trump protesters back false election claims

[RJRS1301]

2 minutes ago, polpott said:

Post a picture of one. The FBI fully investigated those arrested in BLM protests and found no evidence that they were members of Antifa. Another piece of fake news from the Trump camp.

Can we refine “fake “ news as disinformation ?
Perhaps  hail in a new era of more than single syllable descriptors?

[BobBKK]

12 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

They were supporting whom?

I'm guessing they are just Trump haters.

I understand the scum who sucker punched a guy (who's phone was also stolen while he was out cold) has been arrested so let's hope he get's time in jail. BTW my comments would be/will be exactly the same if 'Proud Boys' or anyone resorts to violence.

Edited November 15, 2020 by BobBKK

[candide]

26 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

America... more divided than ever and the ANTIFA rioting, bullying and violence just makes there Trumpers more angry. He lost and that's the end of it the pendulum will swing back. I'd like to see more compassion, goodwill and mutual respect (on here to) regarding this subject.

You are right. It's a hard time for Trump fans. During several years, they have been faithfully supporting each and every lie, each and every conspiracy theory. They have also bravely contradicted themselves on multiple occasions. Until the last minute, they have been grasping at straws.

Now it's over and they feel lonely and cold.

Let's be compassionate and extend a brotherly hand.

Mgf.....BWAHAHAHA!

Edited November 15, 2020 by candide

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52 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

They're not protesting.  It's a rally showing support for Trump.  A protest implies they're protesting the election of Biden.  Biden has not been certified as president elect.  (Sorry about the bad news.)  So a protest isn't possible at this point.

 

As to the false election claims, well LOL.  We shall see whether they're false or not.

 

In the meanwhile, I'll again warn people to not count their chickens before they hatch.  I predict a 2nd Trump term guaranteed.  If nothing else, the Constitution provides the avenue.

Why are they waiting to reveal this fraud information? Time is running short? Astrological reasons? The Trump campaign has closed it's hotline that solicited such info.

Hoping that state legislatures in states that went for Biden will appoint electors who will vote for Trump?

 

[BobBKK]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So you want ‘more compassion, goodwill and mutual respect’ all of a sudden.

 

What a difference an election makes!

 

I have been for that consistently over the years and your pee taking does not fall into the category   ???? 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

I paid over $100,000 into SS and you call this socialism ahahahhaaaaaaaa

Contribution from those who able to contribute is a core principle of socialism.

 

It’s the bit that many who are ‘able’ most object to.

 

 

 

 

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Just now, BobBKK said:

 

I have been for that consistently over the years and your pee taking does not fall into the category   ???? 

Just like you're not a Trump supporter.

[BobBKK]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

You are right. It's a hard time for Trump fans. During several years, they have faithfully supported each and every lie, each and every conspiracy theory. They have also bravely contradicted themselves over time. Until the last minute, they have been grasping at straws.

Now it's over and they feel lonely and cold.

Let's be compassionate and extend a brotherly hand.

Mgf.....BWAHAHAHA!

 

You must be thinking of someone else as I have never been a Trump fan and consider myself left of centre. In fact I have been a Labour supporter and member most of my life and admired Democrats right up until a couple years ago when they started all their impeachment/Russia nonsense. I still admire the old style Dems (JFK/BC/Gore etc.) but these are nothing like them. Your type of post just demonstrates WHY there is a huge divide - hate breeds hate.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, BobBKK said:

 

I have been for that consistently over the years and your pee taking does not fall into the category   ???? 

Forgive me, but it is blindingly obvious that your sudden interest in  ‘more compassion, goodwill and mutual respect’ is a direct result of Trump losing the election.

 

I don’t recall you showing any interest in these things when Trump was hate baiting, families being separated and kids were being thrown in cages, Trump was mocking somebody suffering physical disability, cops were murdering people in plane sight, the list goes on.

 

Now that decent man has beaten the hate baiter you have been supporting you want ‘more compassion, goodwill and mutual respect’.

 

 

[polpott]

11 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

I'm guessing they are just Trump haters.

I understand the scum who sucker punched a guy (who's phone was also stolen while he was out cold) has been arrested so let's hope he get's time in jail. BTW my comments would be/will be exactly the same if 'Proud Boys' or anyone resorts to violence.

Someone got stabbed in a confrontation with Proud Girls last night.

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/blm-protester-left-bleeding-floor-23012345

[Walker88]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

As you know, the answer is no.

 

Unfortunately, under the US system of government (developed by white men, many of them slave owners and prosperous merchants, aspiring to create some kind of ideal democratic republic while making compromises to the self-serving people in power) the US Constitution gives significant power to the states. 

 

Since the majority of Democrats are in a minority of states, it will be difficult for them to ever control the Senate, and the Senate has a great deal of power.  The votes of the Senators of the states of  Wyoming, North and South Dakota and Alaska (total population less than 4 million) have four times the weight of the votes of the Senators from California (population 37 million).

 

Contrary to those who claim this shows the wisdom of the Founding Fathers, this is not what was intended.  Four old economy states dependent on commodities and government largess should not have four times the influence at the federal level than a state with a diverse population and diverse economy composed of commodities (mining, energy and agriculture), trade, technology, services, etc. 

 

There is a similar imbalance in the power to elect the President between these largely empty states with narrow self-serving interests and the more populous states with broader interests. 

 

It is worth noting that in "assisting" other nations to implement democracy, the US has never pushed them to implement a constitution similar to our "pretty good for a first cut" of constitution.  The weaknesses of our own government are recognized by our own people, and are not forced on others.

 

Perhaps under President Biden, particularly if the Dems take the two GA run-offs, the Senate will be modernized.

 

California is the world's 5th largest economy. It is the largest net contributor to the Federal coffers. It has 40 million citizens but only two Senators. It is home to key companies in high tech and defense, and is a major food producer for the US. It had been running a budget surplus until Covid hit.

 

It's population is greater than the combined populations of Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, Idaho, Iowa, Nebraska, Alabama, Utah, Montana, Alaska, Nevada, Kentucky, West Virginia, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Kansas. Those States have a combined 32 Senators.

 

For non-Americans, note that the US Senate is the sole body approving or rejecting everything from Federal judges, Supreme Court Justices, Cabinet positions, other high-level political appointees, and Ambassadors. California, with a predominance of Democrats, gets two votes on any nomination. Those other 16 States, largely Republican (except Nevada went Blue in 2020) get 32 votes on nominations.

 

Who is the mayor of Columbus, Ohio?  Nobody knows unless they Google it. That person serves more people in his city than the two Senators from Wyoming, though he has a minute fraction of the power of Wyoming's Senators. The US is democracy-challenged by the anachronism that is the Senate.

[wwest5829]

8 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Lets not forget that over 70,000,000 Americans still voted for him - after experiencing him for 4 years. Almost unbelievable. 

That to me is the larger concern.

[CorpusChristie]

2 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

That to me is the larger concern.

 

   You will  just have to accept that some people have a different opinion to you 

[wwest5829]

8 hours ago, spiekerjozef said:

How can people be so dumb ? * brainwashed *.

The working middle class is justifiably frustrated/angered. Unfortunately, they are reacting with gut emotion and not using their heads. My thought, supported by at least the economic statistics is that the political policies of both major political parties over the past 30-45 have caused increased economic pressure on the working middle class which forms the vast majority of the participatory democracy’s population. With the growth, over the time period of the income/wealth disparity gap we have come to a critical juncture of disfunction. Many of those in the current working middle class were raised in a time witnessing the, at first tremendous growth of the US economic income and now, the slow decline of the paramount economic position of the United States post WW II. For those of us in the “Baby Boomer” generation, we are filled with despair generally at seeing the usual growth of economic wellbeing through our work efforts resulting in less and less retirement age security. For our children, we see little hope, under current economic policy conditions to be able, through their work to afford the housing, access to medical care, access to improving their knowledge skills through higher education. There is justified frustration/anger resulting from the economic stress and this evidences itself through our social stress. Not seeing hope, those who supported Trump in 2016, wanted to believe in his promises to address the needs and clean out the swamp of those who had brought on the economic stress (unfortunately, they did not read/study Trump’s historical background or they would have seen a record of a man far out of his depth to be given such a government position). What alternative was offered by the other major party candidate … more of the same policies that have brought on the stress. Unless the mass of American working middle class citizen voters turn out to support a raising of the minimum wage, instituting a national healthcare program like all other developed democratic countries provide for their citizens, lowering the costs of gaining more knowledge through higher education (benefiting both individuals and American business) and protecting Social Security/Medicare … I predict the madness will continue as there will be no needed relief for the working middle class upon which and hope of a participatory democracy depends.

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9 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 

You must be thinking of someone else as I have never been a Trump fan and consider myself left of centre. In fact I have been a Labour supporter and member most of my life and admired Democrats right up until a couple years ago when they started all their impeachment/Russia nonsense. I still admire the old style Dems (JFK/BC/Gore etc.) but these are nothing like them. Your type of post just demonstrates WHY there is a huge divide - hate breeds hate.

So you support the expansion of Obamacare?

How about the surtax on people earning over $400000 to guarantee the survival of Social Security

Do you believe in anthropogenic global warming and that it's a crucial issue?

Do you approve of the way that Trump installed former fossil fuel lobbyists in charge of the EPA?

That Trump has relaxed regulations on the very banks the precipated the 2008 financial meltdown?

That Trump appointed more lobbyists in 3 years than either Bush or Obama did in 8?

Do you approve of his judicial appointments?

[BobBKK]

17 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Just like you're not a Trump supporter.

 Indeed, as you know being an ethical person, I stood up for Yang and posted on here that support many moons ago (several times).

[wwest5829]

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   You will  just have to accept that some people have a different opinion to you 

Not just some, 70million. I have lost my country for I cannot support nor defend The Donald and his ilk as being the best that the USA has to present to the world as its leaders.

[pixelaoffy]

1 minute ago, wwest5829 said:

The working middle class is justifiably frustrated/angered. Unfortunately, they are reacting with gut emotion and not using their heads. My thought, supported by at least the economic statistics is that the political policies of both major political parties over the past 30-45 have caused increased economic pressure on the working middle class which forms the vast majority of the participatory democracy’s population. With the growth, over the time period of the income/wealth disparity gap we have come to a critical juncture of disfunction. Many of those in the current working middle class were raised in a time witnessing the, at first tremendous growth of the US economic income and now, the slow decline of the paramount economic position of the United States post WW II. For those of us in the “Baby Boomer” generation, we are filled with despair generally at seeing the usual growth of economic wellbeing through our work efforts resulting in less and less retirement age security. For our children, we see little hope, under current economic policy conditions to be able, through their work to afford the housing, access to medical care, access to improving their knowledge skills through higher education. There is justified frustration/anger resulting from the economic stress and this evidences itself through our social stress. Not seeing hope, those who supported Trump in 2016, wanted to believe in his promises to address the needs and clean out the swamp of those who had brought on the economic stress (unfortunately, they did not read/study Trump’s historical background or they would have seen a record of a man far out of his depth to be given such a government position). What alternative was offered by the other major party candidate … more of the same policies that have brought on the stress. Unless the mass of American working middle class citizen voters turn out to support a raising of the minimum wage, instituting a national healthcare program like all other developed democratic countries provide for their citizens, lowering the costs of gaining more knowledge through higher education (benefiting both individuals and American business) and protecting Social Security/Medicare … I predict the madness will continue as there will be no needed relief for the working middle class upon which and hope of a participatory democracy depends.

Trump was the wrong man at the right time.! A opportunist who's was exposed . But now he's a danger to the Republic and has to be removed quickly !! He lost 

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Just now, BobBKK said:

 Indeed, as you know being an ethical person, I stood up for Yang and posted on here that support many moons ago (several times).

And opposed Trump with vigor?

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Just now, BobBKK said:

 Indeed, as you know being an ethical person, I stood up for Yang and posted on here that support many moons ago (several times).

There are people here who claim their first choice was Sanders but somehow manage never to utter a critical word about Trump?

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

That to me is the larger concern.

Well yes that is a concern, but there is a far more immediate problem.

 

Trump validated the hate of millions of his followers, people who suddenly had a leader and felt empowered.

 

The election has removed Trump as President and he will face criminal investigation and prosecution.

 

These people are going to have to come to terms with the loss of their leader, the loss of validation, the loss of empowerment and the exposure of the criminality that is Trump.

 

Its going to be an ugly journey for them.

[BobBKK]

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Forgive me, but it is blindingly obvious that your sudden interest in  ‘more compassion, goodwill and mutual respect’ is a direct result of Trump losing the election.

 

I don’t recall you showing any interest in these things when Trump was hate baiting, families being separated and kids were being thrown in cages, Trump was mocking somebody suffering physical disability, cops were murdering people in plane sight, the list goes on.

 

Now that decent man has beaten the hate baiter you have been supporting you want ‘more compassion, goodwill and mutual respect’.

 

 

 

Nonsense mis-characterisation.  Attack the post not the poster please - you are better than that.

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3 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 Indeed, as you know being an ethical person, I stood up for Yang and posted on here that support many moons ago (several times).

so you supported a guaranteed income paid by the government?

Medicare for all?

Combatting climate change?

Stronger gun control?

 

[BobBKK]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

There are people here who claim their first choice was Sanders but somehow manage never to utter a critical word about Trump?

 

That's true and I have many posts criticising Trump. I am pro-choice, pro-legalisation of marijuana and pro-equal right for all. I have stated that consistently over the years.

[wwest5829]

7 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

How many Hindu ,Buddhist , and sundry other cult worshippers 

I recall from my teaching my students that the numbers are publicly available online. Adding those claiming to be Christian - Roman Catholic, Protestant, Christian Orthodox, Christianity is the largest belief system. Islam has been the fastest growing and the vast majority of people in the world are not Christian. It is good to keep some perspective.

[animalmagic]

3 hours ago, Somchai Jackson said:

The Untied States is a beacon of election honesty and fairness and shines for the hole world to see and admire.
Countries around the world wish they had fair elections like the US.  Then these maga crazies mock the elections because there criminal president got his butt kicked in free fair elections.

I'm not quite sure if the 'Untied States' you refer to is a Freudian typo or just an accurate description.

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Just now, BobBKK said:

 

That's true and I have many posts criticising Trump. I am pro-choice, pro-legalisation of marijuana and pro-equal right for all. I have stated that consistently over the years.

And yet you managed to avoid answering all my questions. Your positions may be compatible with libertarianism, but they are nothing like even the traditional left of center positions you claim to hold.

[BobBKK]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

so you supported a guaranteed income paid by the government?

Medicare for all?

Combatting climate change?

Stronger gun control?

 

 Absolutely!   I am a vegetarian and pro animal rights, I was a senior manager in the British NHS and PRO health care for all. Climate change is a no brainer - THE single biggest issue of our times as for guns?  I'm British and we don't have your problem. I am also pro law and order, anti pc liberalism and pro disbanding of lobbyists and  big business/individuals financing politics - whichever side.

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Just now, BobBKK said:

 Absolutely!   I am a vegetarian and pro animal rights, I was a senior manager in the British NHS and PRO health care for all. Climate change is a no brainer - THE single biggest issue of our times as for guns?  I'm British and we don't have your problem. I am also pro law and order, anti pc liberalism and pro disbanding of lobbyists and  big business/individuals financing politics - whichever side.

Yet you prefer Trump over Biden because he's prettier?

[BobBKK]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And yet you managed to avoid answering all my questions. Your positions may be compatible with libertarianism, but they are nothing like even the traditional left of center positions you claim to hold.

No I was writing my reply when you rushed to print.