Trump lawyer Giuliani claims voter 'fraud' in long-shot Pennsylvania challenge

[Lacessit]

17 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

You can't find a msm link, obviously you can't find any other link as well, and you are posting fake news?

The favored expression of Trump supporters is "alternative facts". Fake news is the term they give to the MSM, although that miraculously becomes valid reporting if it supports their position on anything.

[Peter Denis]

3 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Where he'll win! ???? 

Yes, he'll win big time!  In jail, hopefully. ????

 

[TopDeadSenter]

1 hour ago, Credo said:

I'd say your post is bordering on false.   You make one claim that you can't back up with a reputable source

The 6,000 vote switcheroo you claim never happened literally changed Antrim counties election results. Now I am being smeared I will waste 2 minutes to look for a left wing msm source that mentions the issue. 

 

Trump received more votes than Biden in Antrim County, but the day after the election it appeared Biden had beaten Trump by 3,000 votes. The county posted and revised figures Friday that showed it's still red. The Michigan Secretary of State said late Friday that a failure to properly update software was the reason for a computer glitch.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/08/election-misinformation-michigan-vote-antrim-county/6209693002/

[stevenl]

5 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

The 6,000 vote switcheroo you claim never happened literally changed Antrim counties election results. Now I am being smeared I will waste 2 minutes to look for a left wing msm source that mentions the issue. 

 

Trump received more votes than Biden in Antrim County, but the day after the election it appeared Biden had beaten Trump by 3,000 votes. The county posted and revised figures Friday that showed it's still red. The Michigan Secretary of State said late Friday that a failure to properly update software was the reason for a computer glitch.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/08/election-misinformation-michigan-vote-antrim-county/6209693002/

So where is the fraud?

[Ireland32]

5 hours ago, Tug said:

Looney Rudy is at it again I see lol sadly many rubes and marks belive him I say put up or shut up 

He’s asking $20, 000 a day to retain him ,Rudy is  the Town Drunk in NY 

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29 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

The 6,000 vote switcheroo you claim never happened literally changed Antrim counties election results. Now I am being smeared I will waste 2 minutes to look for a left wing msm source that mentions the issue. 

 

Trump received more votes than Biden in Antrim County, but the day after the election it appeared Biden had beaten Trump by 3,000 votes. The county posted and revised figures Friday that showed it's still red. The Michigan Secretary of State said late Friday that a failure to properly update software was the reason for a computer glitch.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/08/election-misinformation-michigan-vote-antrim-county/6209693002/

The system caught thr error. In other words the system worked.

[J Town]

4 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Where he'll win! ???? 

I can always count on you for a genuine chuckle. Thank you!

[Caldera]

Rudy clearly has no evidence whatsoever, and no chance to win any of these frivolous court cases he's been filing left, right and center.

 

He's just milking the Trump campaign for whatever legal fees they're still good for. Good for him.

[xylophone]

"With an overwhelming number of losses and withdrawals of cases, there is no path for the Trump campaign to overturn the results in a single state, much less states making up more than 36 electoral college votes," law professor Rick Hasen wrote on his election law blog yesterday.

"It's over. Trump may still say he has won the election. But there is no path. Even the two key federal cases in Pennsylvania do not involve nearly enough votes to overturn the results there even if they were successful [and I don't expect them to be].

"There is no path. Rudy Giuliani can say what he wants and the President can keep declaring that he's won, but there's no plausible legal way this election gets overturned."

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/us-election-legal-experts-write-off-donald-trumps-legal-challenges/IGL57CXSUHDCPE7E4JDOPELZ24/ 

[Rimmer]

An unsubstantiated troll post has been removed, also a post with a troll meme image

[Sujo]

If rudy said it was raining i would have to go outside to verify it.

[RocketDog]

If I was or had been an ardent Trump supporter at this point I would be hanging my head in shame.

 

Not because my candidate lost the election, but because he is now revealing the sad truth of his sanity and judgment, not to mention his utter failure as a plausible human being able to accept reality. 

 

I believe that many of his current supporters don't suffer from these deficiencies and in six months they will avoid discussion of the election because it may involve the inevitable question : "who did you vote for?" 

[Phoenix Rising]

Georgia's Republican chief election official says Trump would've won the state by 10,000 votes if he hadn't 'suppressed his own voting base'

 

"....Raffensperger says that President Donald Trump, who spent months discouraging supporters from voting by mail in the COVID-19 pandemic, has no one but himself to blame but himself for his poor performance in the state.

In an interview with WSB TV correspondent Justin Gray, Raffensperger pointed that around 24,000 Republicans who voted by mail in the state's June 9 primary elections did not vote at all, either in-person or by mail, in the general -- and said Trump's attacks on mail voting are a reason why."

 

Good job, Donald!

Edited November 18, 2020 by Phoenix Rising

[CorpusChristie]

2 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Georgia's Republican chief election official says Trump would've won the state by 10,000 votes if he hadn't 'suppressed his own voting base'

 

"....Raffensperger says that President Donald Trump, who spent months discouraging supporters from voting by mail in the COVID-19 pandemic, has no one but himself to blame but himself for his poor performance in the state.

In an interview with WSB TV correspondent Justin Gray, Raffensperger pointed that around 24,000 Republicans who voted by mail in the state's June 9 primary elections did not vote at all, either in-person or by mail, in the general -- and said Trump's attacks on mail voting are a reason why."

 

Good job, Donald!

 

There were probably other reasons why people didnt mail in their votes 

 

"One expert on elections and voter turnout, Michael McDonald of the University of Florida, pointed out that an even greater number of Democrats who voted by mail in the primary didn't vote at all in the general."

[CorpusChristie]

5 minutes ago, RocketDog said:

If I was or had been an ardent Trump supporter at this point I would be hanging my head in shame.

 

Not because my candidate lost the election, but because he is now revealing the sad truth of his sanity and judgment, not to mention his utter failure as a plausible human being able to accept reality. 

 

I believe that many of his current supporters don't suffer from these deficiencies and in six months they will avoid discussion of the election because it may involve the inevitable question : "who did you vote for?" 

 

   The hand over date is January 21st 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, TopDeadSenter said:

The 6,000 vote switcheroo you claim never happened literally changed Antrim counties election results. Now I am being smeared I will waste 2 minutes to look for a left wing msm source that mentions the issue. 

 

 

You're not being smeared, you are being called out.

While you continue to post unsupported innuendo, here is what is actually happening

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/lindsey-graham-draws-fire-over-claims-he-pressured-georgia-to-discard-ballots-20201118-p56fir.html

Raffensperger has said he hoped the Republicans would win, but he had to follow due process and the law. Trump and Graham obviously don't think that way.

Republicans bellowing like love-lorn bulls the election was rigged, stolen etc. all the while they are involved in chicanery, standards of the GOP evidently of the double kind.

[Jonnapat]

5 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Where he'll win! ???? 

Says Trump's greatest supporter 

[Sujo]

27 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

There were probably other reasons why people didnt mail in their votes 

 

"One expert on elections and voter turnout, Michael McDonald of the University of Florida, pointed out that an even greater number of Democrats who voted by mail in the primary didn't vote at all in the general."

It didnt cost biden the election.

[sweatalot]

If Giuliani cannot show evidence - how can he claim there was fraud?

Beyond me

[GroveHillWanderer]

3 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Straight after the election the establishmentarian stance was, there is no voter fraud. PERIOD.

Not true - the factual stance is and always has been that there is only ever a tiny amount of voter fraud and that it is never widespread or systematic.

 

This was even the finding of the Electoral Integrity Commission appointed by Trump himself.

 

Quote

The now-disbanded voting integrity commission launched by the Trump administration uncovered no evidence to support claims of widespread voter fraud, according to an analysis of administration documents released Friday.

 Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity

[Phoenix Rising]

31 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

There were probably other reasons why people didnt mail in their votes 

 

"One expert on elections and voter turnout, Michael McDonald of the University of Florida, pointed out that an even greater number of Democrats who voted by mail in the primary didn't vote at all in the general."

Sure, if that makes you feel any better...

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

It didnt cost biden the election.

 

   It doesnst seem to have any effect on the election results , because both parties supporters didnt vote in the mail ballot, for some reason .

  Although you will probably pretend that Trump lost that election because he opposed mail in voting .

   It was only a few weeks ago that Trump was getting abuse for telling his voters to vote twice , now hes getting abuse for telling them not to vote 

[onthedarkside]

A false info post, a Trump name calling post, and a post commenting on another member's avatar have been removed, along with replies.

 

Please refer to politicians by their real names, and avoid commenting on fellow forum members.

 

 

[puck2]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

This is going beyond comedy and borders on finding laughs out of mocking the afflicted.

 

Grown men putting their already tattered reputations up for ridicule by making pleas to the courts without evidence.

 

Other adults backing this transparent lunacy in an attempt to prop up the whining loser.

 

63 more days of this, then comes the reckoning.

 

 

 

What a pity that these dullards - Trump and Guiliani - must not pay all their lawsuits out of their own pockets.

[CorpusChristie]

3 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Sure, if that makes you feel any better...

 

   Just pointing out some facts , some facts that were in the link that you  posted .

  More Biden voters didnt vote in the mail ballots than Trump supporters didnt vote in the mail ballots .

[J Town]

1 minute ago, puck2 said:

 

What a pity that these dullards - Trump and Guiliani - must not pay all their lawsuits out of their own pockets.

As well, 45 wants a recount in Wisconsin, but the election officials there want $7.9 million - up front.

[Phoenix Rising]

In abrupt reversal, Michigan’s largest county certifies election results

 

"The two Republicans on the four-member Wayne County board of canvassers — charged with validating the vote count — initially opposed certification and raised questions about mismatches between the totals submitted by local precincts and the final canvass. Less than two hours later, the Republicans joined their Democratic colleagues to unanimously certify the tally from the county, which includes Detroit, and called for Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson to audit the mismatched precincts.

The board’s reversal quickly undercut celebrations among Trump allies who called the board’s initial 2-2 deadlock against certifying the results the beginning of a potential chain reaction that could flip the state into the president’s column — even though Joe Biden leads by more than 145,000 votes."

 

I guess even the Republicans are getting tired of playing these games.

[xylophone]

25 minutes ago, Jonnapat said:

Says Trump's greatest supporter 

I wonder how they'll cope when reality bites........maybe they could use the masks which their leaders, in the main, ignored, to hide the tears.

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9 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   It doesnst seem to have any effect on the election results , because both parties supporters didnt vote in the mail ballot, for some reason .

  Although you will probably pretend that Trump lost that election because he opposed mail in voting .

   It was only a few weeks ago that Trump was getting abuse for telling his voters to vote twice , now hes getting abuse for telling them not to vote 

What planet are you from? For months Trump has been denouncing mail-in balloting as fraudulent. Apparently you're not aware of the election night phenomenon going by the names of "red shift" and "blue shift". Red shift states were those where the count started with a preponderance of democratic votes and then  with Republican votes gaining as more votes were counted. Blue shift states being the opposite. Red shift states were those that allowed the tallying of mail-in ballots in advance of election day. Blue shift states didn't. What does that tell about which voters tended to use mail-in ballots?

[billd766]

33 minutes ago, Jonnapat said:

Says Trump's greatest supporter 

Actually he is one of about 4 or 5 on TVF.