That's good news actually, so the other half haven't lost their minds!

Joe Biden was and is hardly an inspirational or awe inspiring candidate.  He also hid in the basement of his home for a good deal of the campaign.  Yet despite those facts according to the vote tally he is now approaching 80 million votes more than any other president ever received in history.  And you don't find that to be suspicious? 

Edited November 19, 20205 yr by Thomas J

1 minute ago, Thomas J said:

Joe Biden was and is hardly an inspirational or awe inspiring candidate.  He also hid in the basement of his home for a good deal of the campaign.  Yet despite those fact according to the vote tally he is now approaching 80 million votes more than any other president ever received in history.  And you don't find that to be suspicious? 

Not suspicious at all. I repeat - most people did not vote FOR Biden, they voted AGAINST 45. 45 generated that much hatred against his horrid policies.

6 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Joe Biden was and is hardly an inspirational or awe inspiring candidate.  He also hid in the basement of his home for a good deal of the campaign.  Yet despite those facts according to the vote tally he is now approaching 80 million votes more than any other president ever received in history.  And you don't find that to be suspicious? 

When I consider the repulsiveness of his opponent, not so much.

7 minutes ago, J Town said:

Not suspicious at all. I repeat - most people did not vote FOR Biden, they voted AGAINST 45. 45 generated that much hatred against his horrid policies.

It was an election in the middle of what is developing to be the worst pandemic in American history. President Elect Joe Biden intentionally decided to focus on safety and not have any super spreader mass rallies as Mr. Trump did. The democratic party also intentionally focused on safety of voters, encouraging them to vote by mail when that was possible depending on their specific state laws. So except for a state like Ohio where the state counted the mail in votes first and the same day machine ballots later, the states were showing the same machine machine ballots results first which created a false impression that Mr. Trump would win in those states. Later, when all the mostly pro Mr. Biden mailed in votes were counted, the truth was revealed.

 

There was no mass fraud to give the election to President Elect Joe Biden. If anything, it was the opposite, with Mr. Trump intentionally appointing a yes man lackey as postmaster general to intentionally gum up the works at the post office.

 

Also consider the republicans did much better than Mr. Trump in the house and senate. If it was really true that it was a mass conspiracy theory by the democrats, why would they only hurt Mr. Trump while hurting themselves in congress?

Edited November 19, 20205 yr by Jingthing

15 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Joe Biden was and is hardly an inspirational or awe inspiring candidate.  He also hid in the basement of his home for a good deal of the campaign.  Yet despite those facts according to the vote tally he is now approaching 80 million votes more than any other president ever received in history.  And you don't find that to be suspicious? 

What makes me suspicious are people raising doubts about the legality of the election and hinting at a conspiracy so big it boggles the mind that they even entertain the idea.

In other words; you're suspicious.

2 hours ago, vandeventer said:

I think most here think this election is over,  but it's not. Trump is a fighter and he could still win. Biden is parading around like a movie actor and meeting with PM's from other countries. Trump still has a chance so lets see how this all plays out.

Thanks for another moment of bright comedy. Keep it coming! 

 

Beware however that some members here will mistake your sarcasm. Some will also be offended by your inclusive "let's" as it implies that they are themselves also irrational. 

23 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Joe Biden was and is hardly an inspirational or awe inspiring candidate.  He also hid in the basement of his home for a good deal of the campaign.  Yet despite those facts according to the vote tally he is now approaching 80 million votes more than any other president ever received in history.  And you don't find that to be suspicious? 

Given the experience of the past four years, its not at all surprising that 80 million Americans understanding what a serious threat a second Trump term would be to the nation and the constitution.

 

And it’s not as if Trump didn’t understand Biden was going to beat him, it precisely why Trump got himself impeached trying to smear the decent and honest man he knew would beat him.

 

 

IMO a Canadian said it best. "When I meet an American, there's a 50% chance the person is a total moron. Terrible odds".

The GOP was hijacked by Trump, and then their elected representatives prostituted themselves to stay on his good side, fearing he would affect their re-election chances. The only Republican to come out of Trump's four years with any honor is Mitt Romney.

51 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Joe Biden was and is hardly an inspirational or awe inspiring candidate.  He also hid in the basement of his home for a good deal of the campaign.  Yet despite those facts according to the vote tally he is now approaching 80 million votes more than any other president ever received in history.  And you don't find that to be suspicious? 

Self-isolator and setting an example as opposed to President Super-Spreader. I know who my choice would have been.

 

Its about leading by example- Biden showed the way, Trump showed contempt. 

26 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Joe Biden was and is hardly an inspirational or awe inspiring candidate.  He also hid in the basement of his home for a good deal of the campaign.  Yet despite those facts according to the vote tally he is now approaching 80 million votes more than any other president ever received in history.  And you don't find that to be suspicious? 

No, it is not suspicious unless you are blinded to other possibilities than election fraud. You are tilting at windmills, blindly crossing a bridge to nowhere. 

 

The simplest explanation, therefore the most likely, is this:

Far more Americans voted AGAINST Trump than voted FOR Biden. 

The fact that the republican party per se did well, with Trump being the glaring exception, lends this premise credence. The truth is always simpler than convoluted conspiracy theories.

 

Trump has always been his own worst enemy. He made the mistake of believing that most Americans were as morally corrupt and small-minded as he or didn't care that that their president is. He has been proven wrong on a historic scale, as you say.  

 

Despite the tragically close results I find this consoling. It seems that the judgment of the majority of Americans have been awakened and will remain intact for another decade at least. All's well that ends well. And the election has most definitely ended. 

 

For all patriots determined to reject authoritarianism and tyranny:

Standy Up and Stand By. 

Your country will always need your guidance. 

 

Various off-topic and unsupported election fraud posts have been removed along with replies.

 

8 hours ago, webfact said:

Republicans say Biden won because of a 'rigged' election

Wasn't it a rigged election when Trump won?????

16 minutes ago, Burma Bill said:

Wasn't it a rigged election when Trump won?????

Rigged implies corrupt tampering with the mechanics of the election system (voting machines, ballot counting fraud,  voter fraud, etc.). No 2016 wasn't rigged in that way. Neither was 2020. 

 

That's a different thing than what was proven about Russia's actions in 2016. Actively trying to help get Mr. Trump elected through fake social media activities, etc.. It's known that they tried to do the former (see rigged above) in 2016 but failed. 

Edited November 19, 20205 yr by Jingthing

7 hours ago, Odysseus123 said:

Bunch of nuts...

 

Yes, but scary if you extrapolate this to mean that 25% of the adult population of the USA are a bunch of nuts!

The good news is that 50% of Republicans believe Biden won fairly. That's a big measure for that crazy, divided country.

8 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

The good news is that 50% of Republicans believe Biden won fairly. That's a big measure for that crazy, divided country.

 

From the OP report:

 

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Fifty-two percent of Republicans said that Trump "rightfully won," while only 29% said that Biden had rightfully won.

 

POTUS will never concede, just leave still claiming the election was stolen from him

3 hours ago, vandeventer said:

I think most here think this election is over,  but it's not. Trump is a fighter and he could still win. Biden is parading around like a movie actor and meeting with PM's from other countries. Trump still has a chance so lets see how this all plays out.

Mr Biden is " parading around like a movie actor and meeting with PM's from other countries." as if he was the President Elect - on the flimsiest of evidence, I mean it is not as if he has a convincing majority (a mere 5 million or so) in either the popular vote or the Electoral College!

 

Trump a fighter? No, he is a narcissistic bully, unable to come to terms with the fact that he has been roundly rejected. He will scheme, whine, refuse to co - operate or concede, but I doubt he will fight, in the sense of putting himself in any danger!

 

 

12 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

 

Yes, but scary if you extrapolate this to mean that 25% of the adult population of the USA are a bunch of nuts!

Very true.....

Whilst you can (possibly) say that about 5% of Antipodeans,Canadians,English and Germans are a total bunch of nuts-the 25% is certainly totally awesome..

 

But don't about 30% of Americans think that the world is 6,000 years old?

 

If it wasn't Donald Trump then it would be the Reverend. (self proclaimed) Creflo Dollar..I urge you to look him up on google or youtoob and "witness" the madness...

6 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

Very true.....

Whilst you can (possibly) say that about 5% of Antipodeans,Canadians,English and Germans are a total bunch of nuts-the 25% is certainly totally awesome..

 

But don't about 30% of Americans think that the world is 6,000 years old?

 

If it wasn't Donald Trump then it would be the Reverend. (self proclaimed) Creflo Dollar..I urge you to look him up on google or youtoob and "witness" the madness...

50% of Americans still believe in angels.

3 hours ago, newnative said:

     Sad so many buy into Trump's lies.   But, as I said in a post on another thread, Trump is the ultimate and biggest loser with his mail-in voter fraud lies.  Just yesterday a Georgia Republican official said that some 24,000 Republican voters, who had voted in the primary by mail, decided not to vote by mail in the general election, possibly because of Trump strongly urging them not to, and they failed to show up to vote in person on election day.  So, 24,000 lost Republican votes.

     Those voters could have swung the state to Trump.  Had Trump wholeheartedly  embraced mail-in voting and started vigorously early like the Democrats to get out every single mail-in vote his volunteers could find, instead of waiting until the few hours of election day to get voters to the polls, he might have added enough votes to his totals to carry all of the states he narrowly lost.   Nice, for once, that Trump screwed himself rather than America.

A slightly disconcerting thought, but in the scenario which you outline Trump could (yet again) have ended up as president yet have lost the popular vote by a significant (5 million or so) number of votes!

4 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

I think the sentiment of the Republicans reflect most countries where their incumbent party lost an election. Give them time to grief and they will accept the result eventually. Some may even have time to reflect on the how bad Trump as a President really was. 

First Your after Trump, than your after Trump supporters. You say he is a bad President but you can't name one thing he did wrong. Tell me name one thing Biden did right in the 47 years of tax payers wasted money to pay his wages?

4 hours ago, vandeventer said:

I think most here think this election is over,  but it's not. Trump is a fighter and he could still win. Biden is parading around like a movie actor and meeting with PM's from other countries. Trump still has a chance so lets see how this all plays out.

How can he win? Trump needs perhaps 50 electoral votes and at least 3 million popular votes to win.

 

However if that is what you believe then carry, on but don't cry on TVF if it doesn't happen the way that Trump and you so sadly believe in.

Just now, Odysseus123 said:

If it wasn't Donald Trump then it would be the Reverend. (self proclaimed) Creflo Dollar..I urge you to look him up on google or youtoob and "witness" the madness...

I just did!

 

Blimey 'O'Reilly! What a bunch! I mean they must have been on a special course - no one could be that bat <deleted> barking crazy naturally, now could they?

2 hours ago, Thomas J said:

Joe Biden was and is hardly an inspirational or awe inspiring candidate.  He also hid in the basement of his home for a good deal of the campaign.  Yet despite those facts according to the vote tally he is now approaching 80 million votes more than any other president ever received in history.  And you don't find that to be suspicious? 

 

You could of course regard it as a testament to Mr Trumps qualities as a credible candidate for re-election, based on his performance (antics) over the last four years?

3 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

I just did!

 

Blimey 'O'Reilly! What a bunch! I mean they must have been on a special course - no one could be that bat <deleted> barking crazy naturally, now could they?

Oh yes they could....

An off-topic post veering into U.S. gun ownership has been removed. Let's not go there in this election-related thread.

 

Just now, Odysseus123 said:

Oh yes they could....

 

Just now, herfiehandbag said:

I just did!

 

Blimey 'O'Reilly! What a bunch! I mean they must have been on a special course - no one could be that bat <deleted> barking crazy naturally, now could they?

 

Just now, Odysseus123 said:

Oh yes they could....

 

A very scary thought!

At least Trump was/is one of the rare POTUS who keeps up a kind of independent way of ruling. Trying as much as possible not to be the poodle of the establishment like Big Money and the Militairy Industrial Complex (MIC).

 

Establishment for whom some former presidents (Wilson and Eisenhower I believe) WARNED in their farewell speech.

Wouldn't be surprised if he will say something similar when his time comes to say goodbye.

 

Not really a Trump fan but I respected him for that and by seeing his successor, I pity that he probably will not get the chance to finish the job to drain the Swamp. 

 

I not see him run for POTUS in 2004 because the momentum is lost then.

 

Lost Chance.

Edited November 19, 20205 yr by Jack Mountain