Poor snivelling Trump supporters.  Now they make conspiracy theories about rigged voting machines and evil Democrats planning to steal the election.  Hopefully the police and military will keep these gun toting crazies under surveillance.  When Trump is finally escorted out of the White House anyone who keeps supporting his lost cause should be rounded up and set straight about their continued hate speech.  Hopefully Biden will make it a priority to shut down all the right-wing and Qanon web sites and work with Facebook and Twitter to eliminate right-wing conspiracy and hate.  And fools like Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson, and Rush Linbaugh should be throw in jail for inciting the crazies.

25 minutes ago, pkspeaker said:

I don't understand why they hate trump so much.. the reality is the policy difference between Trump & Biden isn't very much.. separate discussion, wont get into it

Here's a taste of why we hate 45:

 

1. 45 doesn't read books nor security briefings.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/americas-first-post-text-president/549794/

2. Doesn't honorably pay his bills.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-45-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/

3. 45 gleefully described how he uses his fame to grope and harass women.
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-10-07/hot-mic-catches-donald-45-bragging-about-sexual-assault

4. 45 has openly endorsed violent retaliation against people who disrupt his rallies, offering to pay their legal fees.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-45-campaign-protests-20160313-story.html

5. Direct quote: "I could shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/24/donald-45-says-he-could-shoot-somebody-and-still-not-lose-voters

6. 45 shared a hilarious story about not wanting to help a dying man.
https://www.gq.com/story/donald-45-howard-stern-story

7. Lied about seeing thousands in New Jersey cheering when World Trade Center tumbled.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/nov/22/donald-45/fact-checking-45s-claim-thousands-new-jersey-ch/

8. 45 told security to take protesters' coats: 'Throw them out into the cold'.
https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/265172-45-tells-security-to-confiscate-protesters-coats

9. 45 is removing expertise from all levels of government.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2017/03/how-45-is-changing-science-environment/
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/28/climate/45-administration-war-on-science.html
https://civilrights.org/45-rollbacks/

10. 45 is profiting from his businesses, in part by leveraging his position as president, including overcharging the Secret Service for space in the properties he owns, a direct violation of the emoluments clause.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/20/45-businesses-empire-tied-presidency-100496
https://www.businessinsider.com/45-charges-secret-service-for-protection-hotel-properties-report-2020-2

11. His policies have separated children from their families while managing to lose track of over 1500 kids.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/28/us/45-immigrant-children-lost.html

12. Demonstrated Abuse of Power and Obstruction of Congress for which he was impeached.
https://www.congress.gov/congressional-report/116th-congress/house-report/346/1

13. 45 paid Court-Ordered $2 Million For illegally using 45 Foundation Funds.
https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2019/donald-j-45-pays-court-ordered-2-million-illegally-using-45-foundation

14. 45 quote: “[Biden] was only a good vice president because he figured out how to kiss Barack Obama’s ass.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/45-attacks-bidens-in-personal-and-coarse-terms-at-minnesota-rally/2019/10/10/3c2304c2-ebc6-11e9-9c6d-436a0df4f31d_story.html

15. 45 attacked Democratic Rep. Debbie Dingell and her late husband, Rep. John Dingell, during a rally on Wednesday, implying the former congressman was "looking up" from hell.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/18/politics/45-rally-john-dingell-hell/index.html

16. Called for the assassination of an Iranian military leader and lied about the reason.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/45-case-for-killing-soleimani-iran-lies.html

17. 45 fired people who testified against him.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/alexander-vindman-gordon-sondland-45-white-house-ukraine-impeachment-latest-a9324531.html

18. Has been firing Inspector Generals for suspect motives. In two cases, questions were raised about whether the dismissals related to ongoing IG investigations into the conduct of the cabinet secretary in charge of that department. The cumulative firings are often described as a "purge" or as a "war on watchdogs".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_dismissal_of_inspectors_general#:~:text=On Friday%2C May 15%2C at,Secretary of State Mike Pompeo

19. Declared the Covid-19 a "Democratic hoax" AFTER having been warned for months by his advisers how this was going to be a serious problem, resulting in unnecessary deaths.
https://www.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=007115

20. Had U.S. citizens gassed and flash bombed so he could pose for a phony photo op. The church pastor vehemently condemned this act.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_45_photo_op_at_St._John's_Church
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/45-st-johns-church-visit-staging-bishop-mariann-budde/

21. Said "George Floyd is looking down from heaven and appreciating the great day in terms of equality."
https://news.knowledia.com/US/en/articles/45-suggests-george-floyd-is-looking-down-from-heaven-and-e7241a79a337a52aea47eb87182b4675b02eb3aa
 
This is by no means the complete list, just a taste of why we think 45 is scum.

Edited November 20, 20205 yr by J Town

but I think policy wise, not just the attitude:

 

FP both Trump & Biden are pro-israel, anti-Iran& Syria, Biden may be more aggressive toward Russia, but certainly not enough to shoot at them.

 

as far as climate science.. The Paris Climate aggreement is mostly non-binding, and subsidies and funding for the climate stuff has mostly continued under Trump..

 

Trump had increased immigration prior to the COVID-19 and Obama also prevented illegals from entering.. what was trump supposed to do, allow the frekin 'caravans' to barge into the country?  is that what Biden is gonna do?

Edited November 20, 20205 yr by pkspeaker

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5 hours ago, vandeventer said:

He just want's what is  right for the American people. He doesn't even want to be President but the way everything is going he feels he has to be. He is not a dark force but a light ,and real Americans know this.

Please list the attributes of a real American. It's arrant nonsense to say Trump does not want to be President, he knows what is coming once the Presidential immunity from prosecution ceases on January 20.

11 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Eric Loh

No offense to you however if you recall the same government experts at one time said that 1. There were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, 2. That the world had nothing to fear from coronavirus.   You want me to believe that we sent out 100 million ballots and that the incidence of fraud was slight.  Consider with the stimulus checks 1.1 people who were dead received them but supposedly you send 100 million people ballots and they all went out to legally registered voters who were still alive.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/25/1point4-billion-in-stimulus-checks-sent-to-deceased-individuals.html
 

The statistical conclusion was commuted from data. Your equivalence examples are therefore poor and irrelevant. No offence. As I said, Rudy not helping Trump's cause by not showing evidence.  

It seems even Tucker Carlson is becoming skeptical about the claims of vote fraud:  https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tucker-carlson-trumps-attorney-got-angry-when-they-pressed-her-for-evidence-of-voter-fraud-062143725.html

 

 

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6 hours ago, vandeventer said:

He just want's what is  right for the American people. He doesn't even want to be President but the way everything is going he feels he has to be. He is not a dark force but a light ,and real Americans know this.

60% of Republicans and nearly 80% of Americans say Biden won. Trump does not know the difference between right and wrong. He has no moral barometer. And you are wrong. He desperately wants to remain president. He wants to elevate the presidency to an imperialist station. 

11 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's that sort of comment that makes some overtly support Trump when they wouldn't bother if the language on such threads was more reasonable.

      I'm just quoting Trump's handpicked Secretary of State.  That was his assessment, having worked with Trump, and it seems quite reasonable.  Others have also commented that he doesn't read, is easily bored, has a short attention span, can't handle complex issues, and is just downright lazy--which is one of the reasons he tells so many lies--he is too lazy to check anything first to see if it is actually true.

     Of course, he also likes to game the system and he thinks laws are for others to obey, not him.  Presidents are limited by law to 2 terms but that didn't stop Trump from throwing out the idea that he would 'negotiate' a third term.  Luckily, not respecting the law and trying to game the system has just bitten him royally in the ass.  

     By having no respect for the law of mail-in voting, and by trying to game the system and have the Supreme Court declare him the winner, he just lost the election that he might have won had he embraced mail-in voting and urged his supporters to vote early using it.   Instead, he trashed mail-in voting with lies about it's safety and told his voters to vote in person on election day.

    In Georgia alone, he lost 24,000 Republican votes--voters who had voted by mail in the primary but listened to Trump and did not vote by mail in the general election.  But, oops, they didn't vote in person, either, on election day.  24,000 lost Republican votes in a state Biden won by about 12,000 votes.

      So, yes, he's a moron for not seeing something so simple and basic:  that you don't give your opponent a huge head start in a very close race--which he did by trashing early voting by mail.

6 hours ago, Somchai Jackson said:

Poor snivelling Trump supporters.  Now they make conspiracy theories about rigged voting machines and evil Democrats planning to steal the election.  Hopefully the police and military will keep these gun toting crazies under surveillance.  When Trump is finally escorted out of the White House anyone who keeps supporting his lost cause should be rounded up and set straight about their continued hate speech.  Hopefully Biden will make it a priority to shut down all the right-wing and Qanon web sites and work with Facebook and Twitter to eliminate right-wing conspiracy and hate.  And fools like Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson, and Rush Linbaugh should be throw in jail for inciting the crazies.

Yes, let’s round everyone up who believes differently than us, but it’s okay for BLM to burn down buildings while promoting their faux-systemic racism mantra. 

1 minute ago, DBath said:

Yes, let’s round everyone up who believes differently than us, but it’s okay for BLM to burn down buildings while promoting their faux-systemic racism mantra. 

It's a good thing that many Republicans weren't calling for and expecting mass trials of deep state democrats...oh wait...

4 minutes ago, DBath said:

Yes, let’s round everyone up who believes differently than us, but it’s okay for BLM to burn down buildings while promoting their faux-systemic racism mantra. 

Qhat would really be awful if the President openy called on his Attorney General to arrest Obama, Biden and lots of other democratic politicians on the grounds of treason. Now that would be really scary, no?

4 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

The statistical conclusion was commuted from data. Your equivalence examples are therefore poor and irrelevant. No offence. As I said, Rudy not helping Trump's cause by not showing evidence.  

Hopefully, the democrats won’t waste more time and resources, to be paid for by the American taxpayers, on another useless witch hunt. 

2 minutes ago, DBath said:

Hopefully, the democrats won’t waste more time and resources, to be paid for by the American taxpayers, on another useless witch hunt. 

Well, lets see how those state investigations play out. It looks irrefutable that Trump told 2 tales about the value of his properties - one to banks and the other to the IRS. And that he paid Ivanka as a consultant while she was an employee in order to evade taxes. 

19 minutes ago, DBath said:

Hopefully, the democrats won’t waste more time and resources, to be paid for by the American taxpayers, on another useless witch hunt. 

No witch hunt. Republicans lead review back conclusion of intelligence agency that Russia interfered in 2016 election. 

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/republican-led-senate-panel-backs-conclusion-that-russia-interfered-in-2016-election-2020-04-21

How much of tax payers money and lives lost by Trump’s mishandling of COVID-19. 

Troll post making unsubstantiated claims has been reported and removed.

 

6 hours ago, J Town said:

Here's a taste of why we hate 45:

 

1. 45 doesn't read books nor security briefings.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/americas-first-post-text-president/549794/

2. Doesn't honorably pay his bills.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-45-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/

3. 45 gleefully described how he uses his fame to grope and harass women.
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-10-07/hot-mic-catches-donald-45-bragging-about-sexual-assault

4. 45 has openly endorsed violent retaliation against people who disrupt his rallies, offering to pay their legal fees.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-45-campaign-protests-20160313-story.html

5. Direct quote: "I could shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/24/donald-45-says-he-could-shoot-somebody-and-still-not-lose-voters

6. 45 shared a hilarious story about not wanting to help a dying man.
https://www.gq.com/story/donald-45-howard-stern-story

7. Lied about seeing thousands in New Jersey cheering when World Trade Center tumbled.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/nov/22/donald-45/fact-checking-45s-claim-thousands-new-jersey-ch/

8. 45 told security to take protesters' coats: 'Throw them out into the cold'.
https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/265172-45-tells-security-to-confiscate-protesters-coats

9. 45 is removing expertise from all levels of government.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2017/03/how-45-is-changing-science-environment/
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/28/climate/45-administration-war-on-science.html
https://civilrights.org/45-rollbacks/

10. 45 is profiting from his businesses, in part by leveraging his position as president, including overcharging the Secret Service for space in the properties he owns, a direct violation of the emoluments clause.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/20/45-businesses-empire-tied-presidency-100496
https://www.businessinsider.com/45-charges-secret-service-for-protection-hotel-properties-report-2020-2

11. His policies have separated children from their families while managing to lose track of over 1500 kids.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/28/us/45-immigrant-children-lost.html

12. Demonstrated Abuse of Power and Obstruction of Congress for which he was impeached.
https://www.congress.gov/congressional-report/116th-congress/house-report/346/1

13. 45 paid Court-Ordered $2 Million For illegally using 45 Foundation Funds.
https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2019/donald-j-45-pays-court-ordered-2-million-illegally-using-45-foundation

14. 45 quote: “[Biden] was only a good vice president because he figured out how to kiss Barack Obama’s ass.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/45-attacks-bidens-in-personal-and-coarse-terms-at-minnesota-rally/2019/10/10/3c2304c2-ebc6-11e9-9c6d-436a0df4f31d_story.html

15. 45 attacked Democratic Rep. Debbie Dingell and her late husband, Rep. John Dingell, during a rally on Wednesday, implying the former congressman was "looking up" from hell.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/18/politics/45-rally-john-dingell-hell/index.html

16. Called for the assassination of an Iranian military leader and lied about the reason.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/45-case-for-killing-soleimani-iran-lies.html

17. 45 fired people who testified against him.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/alexander-vindman-gordon-sondland-45-white-house-ukraine-impeachment-latest-a9324531.html

18. Has been firing Inspector Generals for suspect motives. In two cases, questions were raised about whether the dismissals related to ongoing IG investigations into the conduct of the cabinet secretary in charge of that department. The cumulative firings are often described as a "purge" or as a "war on watchdogs".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_dismissal_of_inspectors_general#:~:text=On Friday%2C May 15%2C at,Secretary of State Mike Pompeo

19. Declared the Covid-19 a "Democratic hoax" AFTER having been warned for months by his advisers how this was going to be a serious problem, resulting in unnecessary deaths.
https://www.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=007115

20. Had U.S. citizens gassed and flash bombed so he could pose for a phony photo op. The church pastor vehemently condemned this act.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_45_photo_op_at_St._John's_Church
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/45-st-johns-church-visit-staging-bishop-mariann-budde/

21. Said "George Floyd is looking down from heaven and appreciating the great day in terms of equality."
https://news.knowledia.com/US/en/articles/45-suggests-george-floyd-is-looking-down-from-heaven-and-e7241a79a337a52aea47eb87182b4675b02eb3aa
 
This is by no means the complete list, just a taste of why we think 45 is scum.

 

Got it.

Consuming WAY too much left wing propaganda media.

51 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It's a good thing that many Republicans weren't calling for and expecting mass trials of deep state democrats...oh wait...

Doesn't matter, it’s also a waste of time when there are more important matters, like passing another relief bill. 

11 hours ago, PattayaJames said:

 

Got it.

Consuming WAY too much left wing propaganda media.

It's an easy enough matter of public record to find numerous incidents where Trump stiffed on his bills and his loans.

 

LINK:

Oh my! 45's "elite strikeforce team" (jenna ellis used the term to describe her and her colleagues) is not just incompetent, they're Keystone Kops incompetent.

 

In their affidavit they claim 'widespread voter fraud in Michigan', because they found townships and counties where the number of votes exceeded the number of registered voters.  There's just one problem: their 'researchers' mistook MN as the abbreviation for Michigan, when it's Minnesota. Michigan is MI.

 

Unlike Michigan, Minnesota allows same day registration, so in rural areas (where 45 won in Minnesota), people could register on Election Day and then vote. 45's team got the list of Registered Voters BEFORE Election Day, and again, for Minnesota, not Michigan. In those townships where voters exceeded the number of registered voters BEFORE Election Day, 45 won. So if they are arguing fraud (it isn't, because same day registration is allowed in Minnesota) the fraudulent votes ended up for 45.

 

That is just embarrassingly bad 'research'. Their 'righteous indignation' is really just their own idiocy.

 

Earlier, when 45's team first announced 'proof' of voter fraud in Georgia, they claimed the number of total votes in Georgia exceeded the population. The problem here was that they Googled "Population of Georgia", and Google returned the population numbers for the nation of Georgia, the one that borders Russia, which has 3.7 million people vs the US State of Georgia which has over 10 million.

 

Shameful idiocy.

2 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Oh my! 45's "elite strikeforce team" (jenna ellis used the term to describe her and her colleagues) is not just incompetent, they're Keystone Kops incompetent.

 

In their affidavit they claim 'widespread voter fraud in Michigan', because they found townships and counties where the number of votes exceeded the number of registered voters.  There's just one problem: their 'researchers' mistook MN as the abbreviation for Michigan, when it's Minnesota. Michigan is MI.

 

Unlike Michigan, Minnesota allows same day registration, so in rural areas (where 45 won in Minnesota), people could register on Election Day and then vote. 45's team got the list of Registered Voters BEFORE Election Day, and again, for Minnesota, not Michigan. In those townships where voters exceeded the number of registered voters BEFORE Election Day, 45 won. So if they are arguing fraud (it isn't, because same day registration is allowed in Minnesota) the fraudulent votes ended up for 45.

 

That is just embarrassingly bad 'research'. Their 'righteous indignation' is really just their own idiocy.

 

Earlier, when 45's team first announced 'proof' of voter fraud in Georgia, they claimed the number of total votes in Georgia exceeded the population. The problem here was that they Googled "Population of Georgia", and Google returned the population numbers for the nation of Georgia, the one that borders Russia, which has 3.7 million people vs the US State of Georgia which has over 10 million.

 

Shameful idiocy.

Ah!Ah! The elite team! What a bunch of morons!

Edited November 20, 20205 yr by candide

A number of posts have been removed because they were quoting posts that had already been removed.

Country is going completely down the drain, Trump and his lawyer should be arrested for treason:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/rudy-giuliani-suggested-someone-cut-the-head-off-democratic-leaders-in-fox-news-interview/ar-BB1bdkb4?ocid=spartandhp

 

 

13 hours ago, DBath said:

Hopefully, the democrats won’t waste more time and resources, to be paid for by the American taxpayers, on another useless witch hunt. 

What useless witch hunt wasted time and money?

12 hours ago, DBath said:

Doesn't matter, it’s also a waste of time when there are more important matters, like passing another relief bill. 

How many bills sitting on mitchs desk?

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

How many bills sitting on mitchs desk?

I wonder...eh?

 

 

2 hours ago, Odysseus123 said:

I wonder...eh?

 

 

https://www.newsweek.com/mitch-mcconnells-legislative-graveyard-helping-current-congress-least-productive-history-1532424

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll/half-of-republicans-say-biden-won-because-of-a-rigged-election-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN27Y1AJ

 

(Reuters) - About half of all Republicans believe President Donald Trump “rightfully won” the U.S. election but that it was stolen from him by widespread voter fraud that favored Democratic President-elect Joe Biden, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll.

Edited November 21, 20205 yr by thaibeachlovers