EU leaders deadlocked over recovery plan after Hungary, Poland veto

[welovesundaysatspace]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

And here is where your analogy falls flat on its face. We joined a golf club and over a period of time this so called club began surruptiously changing into a rugby club, but hey the comittee wasn't happy with that arrangement, they also wanted some members to pay for other members fees. Now if somebody had explained that some members pay and others get to play for free, you wouldn't have believed have them now would you and you certainly wouldn't have joined this 'democratic' club would you.

It might surprise you, but yes, clubs sometimes change. 

 

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And then one brave member decided to say enough is enough, I shall open my own golf club just a mile down the road, and what do you think that happened when he applied for planning permission,

A “planning permission”? Again, you’re failing at analogies. 
 

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that's correct, the nasty golf club said you can open your own golf club, but you cannot take in any new members without us screening them first, you can only open from 12 noon to 1500 hrs and we have the right to all your land to take as many lost golf balls as we find, you will be allowed 2 lost balls a day, and you must follow our golf club rules.

It’s called freedom of contract. One of the achievements of our western democracies. 
 

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Ring a bell?

Yes. You’re in the wrong thread. 

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

It might surprise you, but yes, clubs sometimes change. 

 

It may surprise you but not one golf club I've ever been a member of has ever changed it to another sport. It is not so much of a change than a complete metamorphosis, it has changed from Gleneagles into something resembling Frankenstein.

[pacovl46]

9 hours ago, transam said:

Tell me how you know the UK is a sinking ship..?

It’s been sinking ever since they declared war on Germany in 1939. The UK is a mere shadow of its former self. Lots of companies will relocate to EU countries to stay competitive, which will result in heavy tax losses for the UK and quite a bit of an unemployment financial burden. 50 major banks are already preparing to relocate to Frankfurt which will result in a loss of 800 billion Euro for the UK as well. Life will become more expensive in an already expensive country and we all know what happens when people aren’t happy in the UK. There will be lots of thrown in shop windows, burning cars and battles with the cops. Scotland might split off. So....

 

 

[7by7]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Did anyone vote for them?

 Yes.

 

The president of the European Parliament is elected by MEPs. MEPs are elected by voters in the constituencies they represent.

 

The appointment of the president of the European Commission is complicated (see here); but ultimately their appointment must be approved by the European Parliament.

 

The president of the European Council is appointed by the Council itself; which is comprised of the heads of all member states.

 

[ivor bigun]

13 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

It’s been sinking ever since they declared war on Germany in 1939. The UK is a mere shadow of its former self. Lots of companies will relocate to EU countries to stay competitive, which will result in heavy tax losses for the UK and quite a bit of an unemployment financial burden. 50 major banks are already preparing to relocate to Frankfurt which will result in a loss of 800 billion Euro for the UK as well. Life will become more expensive in an already expensive country and we all know what happens when people aren’t happy in the UK. There will be lots of thrown in shop windows, burning cars and battles with the cops. Scotland might split off. So....

 

 

THEN YOU WOKE UP.

[7by7]

2 hours ago, transam said:

1. That is what you would think as you are an anti-British Brit.

2. You are a Scottish Nationalist.....

3. I am off up the pub.....????

1)

Anyone who doesn't agree with you is in your book an "anti-British Brit!'

 

2) @Rookiescot is hiding that he's a Scottish nationalist (note small 'n'?! So you must think his avatar and all his posts in favour of Scottish independence are some form of cunning plan worthy of Baldrick!

 

 

[candide]

5 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

And who decides the criteria for what constitutes an acceptable democracy? You? The non elected EU appointed bureaucrats? Or the democratically elected governments of a sovereign nation representing the wishes of the people who elected them?

 

Maybe change the name to the European Union of Democratic Nations? Should fit right in with others who like to add the word democratic in their title.

These criteria are not particularly extravagant and are overwhelmingly recognised, I.e. in UK. You know, such as freedom of the Media or independence of the Judiciary.....

[7by7]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

He has no choice Luke, the member knows that if he doesn't agree to the nasty golf clubs rules they will object to the planning permission, but little do they know that he has an ace up is sleeve.

 

 So what 'planning permission' does the UK need and how can the EU object, let alone block, it?

[7by7]

27 minutes ago, vogie said:

It may surprise you but not one golf club I've ever been a member of has ever changed it to another sport. It is not so much of a change than a complete metamorphosis, it has changed from Gleneagles into something resembling Frankenstein.

 But how many of these clubs have allowed an ex member who no longer pays their subscription to use all the same facilities as the paying members?

[RayC]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Spades. HTH

So our 'secret weapon' is to play Barnier a track by a heavy metal band? Well, it is an improvement on previous plans!

[scammed]

i dont think subsidies should be thrown around,

some nations act more irresponsible then others.

sweden didnt shut down their economy so they wont

be needing any handouts, others did and will be wanting handouts from sweden

[welovesundaysatspace]

7 minutes ago, vogie said:

It may surprise you but not one golf club I've ever been a member of has ever changed it to another sport.

Unfortunately your personal experience with clubs is as irrelevant as the fact that I’ve never seen a mole rat. 

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Unfortunately your personal experience with clubs is as irrelevant as the fact that I’ve never seen a mole rat. 

There was just one time when I was teeing off on the 12th at Turnberry and I was hit on the back of the head with a rugby ball. 

Which still doesn't alter the fact that for 4 years you have been preaching to us that the EU is democratic and needs all 27 nations to vote something through, now it seems only Germany and France will do.

[welovesundaysatspace]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

Which still doesn't alter the fact that for 4 years you have been preaching to us that the EU is democratic and needs all 27 nations to vote something through

Yes, I’ve been educating you. 
 

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

now it seems only Germany and France will do.

Do you actually read a topic before making a fool of yourself? Two countries have vetoed the budget. Even the headline says it:

 

EU leaders deadlocked over recovery plan after Hungary, Poland veto

[vogie]

15 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Yes, I’ve been educating you. 
 

Do you actually read a topic before making a fool of yourself? Two countries have vetoed the budget. Even the headline says it:

 

EU leaders deadlocked over recovery plan after Hungary, Poland veto

No point in voting if you don't vote the way they want you to. 

 

France has said "Paris has signalled the EU might move ahead with the recovery fund without Poland and Hungary under an EU "enhanced cooperation" law that allows a group of at least nine countries to pursue a joint project if others object."

 

So basically not all 27 nations are listened to when voting, only the ones that vote the right way.

[welovesundaysatspace]

35 minutes ago, vogie said:

No point in voting if you don't vote the way they want you to. 

 

France has said "Paris has signalled the EU might move ahead with the recovery fund without Poland and Hungary under an EU "enhanced cooperation" law that allows a group of at least nine countries to pursue a joint project if others object."

 

So basically not all 27 nations are listened to when voting, only the ones that vote the right way.

I know this might be disappointing for someone who wished that his vote for Brexit also would give him a say on future trade relationships, but you’ll have to accept that a vote you’re being granted for a specific matter doesn’t give you a say in all other matters, especially not those that aren’t your business. Hungary and Poland had a vote on the budget and a Corona relief package, and they decided they don’t want it, so now countries are taking their money that Hungary and Poland didn’t want elsewhere and our two wannabe fascist states can get their Corona relief from elsewhere. Duh. ???? 

 

[puck2]

On 11/20/2020 at 1:10 PM, transam said:

What like, some remainers posting here...?

 

Transam, enjoy the schadenfreude. Imagine, we in the EU would "enjoy" it when "Great" Britain will be reduced to Little England some years after Brexit. Then EU TV-members will remember you:  some Brexiteers posting here....? "

 

The extremist leaders  in Poland and Hungary abuse the EU-rules that the 7-years EU-budget needs unanimity, although they drink the milk given by the EU.

 

Maybe, better probably,  they will miss some EU "milk" after the attempted extortion. Packed in the 7-years budget is the Covid recovery fund, too. Poland and Hungary again are receivers!

 

 

 

 

[puck2]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

No point in voting if you don't vote the way they want you to. 

 

France has said "Paris has signalled the EU might move ahead with the recovery fund without Poland and Hungary under an EU "enhanced cooperation" law that allows a group of at least nine countries to pursue a joint project if others object."

 

So basically not all 27 nations are listened to when voting, only the ones that vote the right way.

 

Imagine, Scotland and NI would have ugly extremistic leaders. Would you in London crawl under the carpet and give them the part of GB's yearly budget... only for the reason that they are members of GB? And on the top of this, BOTH countries would NOT agree to change their extremism?

 

Would you then crawl under the carpet and hand out the tax payers money of GB? Without any elementary demands? Everybody with a common sense would tell you: they want our money and have the guts to stop our budget, although they are recveivers. And they would laugh about your

[quote]No point in voting if you don't vote the way they want you to.[/quote]

[pacovl46]

12 hours ago, ivor bigun said:

THEN YOU WOKE UP

 

???? Hey, don’t take my word for it! Google it yourself! 

[transam]

15 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Heres a clue Trans. Even after independence the Scots will still be British. I know you like to equate British with English but thats factually wrong.

 

Enjoy your trip to the pub and have a good evening. Try not to bore the pants off everyone with your Brexit sermons. ????

More assumptions from the losing side.....????

[transam]

13 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

It’s been sinking ever since they declared war on Germany in 1939. The UK is a mere shadow of its former self. Lots of companies will relocate to EU countries to stay competitive, which will result in heavy tax losses for the UK and quite a bit of an unemployment financial burden. 50 major banks are already preparing to relocate to Frankfurt which will result in a loss of 800 billion Euro for the UK as well. Life will become more expensive in an already expensive country and we all know what happens when people aren’t happy in the UK. There will be lots of thrown in shop windows, burning cars and battles with the cops. Scotland might split off. So....

 

 

The UK declared war with Germany to protect freedom, our country is like that ....FREEDOM from tyranny and MURDER....The rest of your post is......

 

[transam]

12 hours ago, 7by7 said:

1)

Anyone who doesn't agree with you is in your book an "anti-British Brit!'

 

2) @Rookiescot is hiding that he's a Scottish nationalist (note small 'n'?! So you must think his avatar and all his posts in favour of Scottish independence are some form of cunning plan worthy of Baldrick!

 

 

1) More assumptions and twisting from the losing side.

2) Spell/grammar checking is used by a losing side, plus, an avatar means nothing, just like yours. Raise your game chap.....????

[transam]

11 hours ago, puck2 said:

 

Transam, enjoy the schadenfreude. Imagine, we in the EU would "enjoy" it when "Great" Britain will be reduced to Little England some years after Brexit. Then EU TV-members will remember you:  some Brexiteers posting here....? "

 

The extremist leaders  in Poland and Hungary abuse the EU-rules that the 7-years EU-budget needs unanimity, although they drink the milk given by the EU.

 

Maybe, better probably,  they will miss some EU "milk" after the attempted extortion. Packed in the 7-years budget is the Covid recovery fund, too. Poland and Hungary again are receivers!

 

 

 

 

There ya go, a 100% anti-British post, and you forget your Little England came to your rescue, or are you from the Axis mob.......?

[luckyluke]

I see here regularly a picture of a crystal ball here.

 

Somewhat perplexed, ( I often are when reading T.V. )

 

So I googled and found this :

 

"A crystal ball, also known as an orbuculum or crystal sphere, is a crystal or glass ball and common fortune-telling object.^[a] It is generally associated with the performance of clairvoyance and scrying in particular."

 

So, In my opinion this is a wrong reference,

I think "speculations" should be used to describe posts who predict the future outcome of Brexit ( positive and negative ).

[Rookiescot]

23 minutes ago, transam said:

More assumptions from the losing side.....????

Its an assumption that after independence Scots would still be Brits? 

[transam]

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Its an assumption that after independence Scots would still be Brits? 

Eeeeeeer, my pub ........????

 

The British Isles are exactly that, and all who sail in her....????

 

PS. I did read that your glorious SNP are in a bit of trouble this morning, I didn't think the SNP would do anything underhanded, would you...????

[Rookiescot]

5 minutes ago, transam said:

Eeeeeeer, my pub ........????

 

The British Isles are exactly that, and all who sail in her....????

 

PS. I did read that your glorious SNP are in a bit of trouble this morning, I didn't think the SNP would do anything underhanded, would you...????

 

Politicians mate. They all do underhand stuff. 

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Politicians mate. They all do underhand stuff. 

Yes, but they don't all try and blame England for everything.

[transam]

6 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Politicians mate. They all do underhand stuff. 

If you are saying the SNP is dodgy too, then them splitting up the Union to me becomes even more questionable....

[Rookiescot]

Just now, transam said:

If you are saying the SNP is dodgy too, then them splitting up the Union to me becomes even more questionable....

 

Why?

You think its better being run by the dodgy guys in Westminster?