Brexit talks still stuck because EU is asking too much, UK says

[david555]

4 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

 

if you do not accept, what is Boris doing dining in Brussel tonight

Free hiso meal ...and ...much media show attention for Boris narcist ego ????

Edited December 9, 2020 by david555

[candide]

2 hours ago, luckyluke said:

"Je suis venu te dire que je m'en vais" 

( I came to tell you that I am leaving) 

Song from Serge Gainsbourg. 

It's all over now, baby blue!

"You must leave, now take what you need
You think will last
But whatever you wish to keep
You better grab it fast"

????

[Phulublub]

5 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   That is what we wanted, that is what we voted for and that is what we will soon have 

ER,,,then why all the bull and bluster fro Johnson et al trying like crazy to gte a deal?  And the support for his efforts form all the Brexiteers here and elsewhere?

 

Could it be that different Brexiteers voted for different Brexit outcomes?  Surely not!

 

PH

[kingdong]

3 hours ago, Hi from France said:

 

yeah

 

do you think Boris understood that common market means common rules?

Probably didn,t but there again there wasn,t all that social engineering and freedom of movement the " common market " morphed into,hows things in paris? Was looking foreward to having a stroll down the champ d,eylees but think i,!! Hold my horses till the bold gendarmes restore a bit of law and order.

[vogie]

6 hours ago, david555 said:

Auf wiederseen means not " farewel " you know ????? ( see you some time later means ....auf wiedereen ????

Zum Abschied means farewel ...???? ( not coming back...

 

 

....

 

 

You know .

And auf wiederhoran means you will be hearing from us, so don't call us we'll call you.????????

[vinny41]

5 hours ago, Hi from France said:

 

yeah

 

do you think Boris understood that common market means common rules?

It would appear France has problems following the rules 

Infringement decisions 2640 records

and when we compared that to the UK Infringement decisions 2233 records

France wins more Infringement decisions against France compared to the UK

https://ec.europa.eu/atwork/applying-eu-law/infringements-proceedings/infringement_decisions/index.cfm?lang_code=EN&typeOfSearch=false&active_only=0&noncom=0&r_dossier=&decision_date_from=&decision_date_to=&EM=FR&title=&submit=Search

[Laughing Gravy]

17 hours ago, polpott said:

If it were only true. You have provided zero facts to substantiate your argument that Germany has the power to exert undue influence over EU decision making. At the end of the day, one member one vote and all member states have the right of veto

Go back and read every link properly. I could do the work for you and cite everything but with your consistent denial what is the point.

 

You still don't understand how the EU really works. One member one vote and the right to veto. That sums up it all really and you comprehension of the EU.

 

You remind me of a teacher telling his student that when he drops a ball to the ground the ball hits the floor. The says it doesn't and  the student will never believe him. So the teacher says you need to open your eyes.

 

No more trying to debate with you. I can provide a hundred links and even if you bothered to read any of them like you didn't before you would probably definitely not understand.

[kingdong]

5 hours ago, candide said:

It's all over now, baby blue!

"You must leave, now take what you need
You think will last
But whatever you wish to keep
You better grab it fast"

????

Bob dylan wrote that not you pal.

[CorpusChristie]

1 hour ago, Phulublub said:

ER,,,then why all the bull and bluster fro Johnson et al trying like crazy to gte a deal?  And the support for his efforts form all the Brexiteers here and elsewhere?

 

Could it be that different Brexiteers voted for different Brexit outcomes?  Surely not!

 

PH

 

   Johnson and the Government are doing their own thing , they are doing what they think is best for the UK

[CorpusChristie]

5 hours ago, Hi from France said:

 

if you do not accept, what is Boris doing dining in Brussel tonight?

 

  Think that Boris is in Brussels tonight refusing to accept the deal you offered 

[kingdong]

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   Johnson and the Government are doing their own thing , they are doing what they think is best for the UK

Is it me but every time i see " deal " i mentally associate it with scheme?

[transam]

1 hour ago, Phulublub said:

ER,,,then why all the bull and bluster fro Johnson et al trying like crazy to gte a deal?  And the support for his efforts form all the Brexiteers here and elsewhere?

 

Could it be that different Brexiteers voted for different Brexit outcomes?  Surely not!

 

PH

I think you are getting confused, you have no understanding of what goes on during negotiations.

What you should do is stop reading rags that are there to stir, guess and confuse the gullible, so relax, let Boris and his team do their job, you just worry about you filling the UK cash hole...

[transam]

5 hours ago, Hi from France said:

 

if you do not accept, what is Boris doing dining in Brussel tonight?

You tell us, you seem to know it all, eeeer no, forget that, it'll be more tosh....????

[sandyf]

22 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Your having a laugh suggest you check this page on EU Infringement decisions 52692 record pick any country in the EU they all break the rules

https://ec.europa.eu/atwork/applying-eu-law/infringements-proceedings/infringement_decisions/index.cfm?lang_code=EN&typeOfSearch=false&active_only=0&noncom=0&r_dossier=&decision_date_from=&decision_date_to=&title=&submit=Search

Exactly. Bojo is not going to get access to the SM without following the rules, that would be another infringement.

At the moment the arch brexiteer is trying to shop without a mask, a bit clearer?

[CorpusChristie]

Just now, sandyf said:

Exactly. Bojo is not going to get access to the SM without following the rules, that would be another infringement.

At the moment the arch brexiteer is trying to shop without a mask, a bit clearer?

 

  What are the rules that the E.U has put in placed for joining the Single market ?

[david555]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-talks-boris-johnson-eu-deal-b1769011.html

 

NewsUKUK Politics

Boris Johnson fails to secure Brexit concessions after three hours of face-to-face talks in Brussels

Talks in jeopardy as no breakthrough emerges in meeting with Ursula von der Leyen

Jon Stone

Brussels

@joncstone

7 minutes ago

 

Boris Johnson has failed to secure Brexit concessions from the EU after face-to-face talks in Brussels aimed at breaking the deadlock and avoiding a no deal ended without agreement. The prime minister flew home from the Belgian capital with little to show on Wednesday night, despite hopes he could prepare the ground for a political compromise ahead of an EU leaders' summit on Thursday.

 

Negotiating teams will return to the coalface over the next few days, while Downing Street said that it was "still unclear" whether "very large gaps" between the two sides could be bridged.

 

 

As the 27 EU leaders prepared to head to the Belgian capital on Thursday, EU officials ruled out any discussion of Brexit at the top-level meeting, briefing that leaders did not want to be "dragged into a debate".It comes as Angela Merkel made a rare Brexit intervention warning that she could not accept Mr Johnson's proposals, and Leo Varadkar, the Irish deputy prime minister, said he thought that Mr Johnson was ready to fold.

 

 

much more.....

 

 

Edited December 10, 2020 by david555

[welovesundaysatspace]

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

What are the rules that the E.U has put in placed for joining the Single market ?

You just left. Already thinking about rejoining? 

[CorpusChristie]

5 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

You just left. Already thinking about rejoining? 

 

  We seem to be talking about access to the single market, rather than talking about re-joining the E.U 

[sandyf]

14 hours ago, RayC said:

Apologies for the previous bad link. Hopefully this works.

Quite, back in 1990 when it was introduced I was instrumental in implementing the EU directive on gas appliances. I obtained the very first CE certificate issued by Calor Gas.

Everyone, manufacturers and the general public alike objected to the directive, it appeared that trying to reduce deaths from carbon monoxide poisoning wasn't a very high priority.

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  We seem to be talking about access to the single market, rather than talking about re-joining the E.U 

You have access to the single market as a third country. Every country has (unless there are sanctions or so, of which I’m not aware of). 

[CorpusChristie]

24 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Exactly. Bojo is not going to get access to the SM without following the rules, that would be another infringement.

At the moment the arch brexiteer is trying to shop without a mask, a bit clearer?

 

  As a Third Country, we already have access to the Single Market

[sandyf]

22 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  What are the rules that the E.U has put in placed for joining the Single market ?

I take it you have little interest in what's going on, cherries and cake prevail.

[david555]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/10/britons-banned-travelling-eu-countries-january-1/

 

Britons banned from travelling to EU countries from January 1

The UK's coronavirus case rate is too high for Britons to be allowed into the EU when Britain leaves the bloc next month

By Telegraph Reporters 10 December 2020 • 12:05am

[vogie]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/10/britons-banned-travelling-eu-countries-january-1/

 

Britons banned from travelling to EU countries from January 1

The UK's coronavirus case rate is too high for Britons to be allowed into the EU when Britain leaves the bloc next month

By Telegraph Reporters 10 December 2020 • 12:05am

You see, every cloud has a silver lining.

[david555]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

You see, every cloud has a silver lining.

YES ! for both sides ......! ????

[sandyf]

5 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  As a Third Country, we already have access to the Single Market

You are confused between general access and unfettered access, which is what Bojo is trying to get without following the rules, like a shopper not wearing a mask.

[kingdong]

6 hours ago, Hi from France said:

 

yeah

 

do you think Boris understood that common market means common rules?

What for an unelected european superstate?i would say no.

[david555]

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-johnson-accused-of-a-failure-of-diplomacy-and-leadership-as-no-deal-outcome-looms-large-12156588

 

Boris Johnson is being accused of failure after his hopes of a Brexit meal deal in Brussels were dashed and trade talks went into extra time with a new deadline of Sunday.

 

His three-hour dinner with European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen ended in deadlock with "very large gaps" between the two sides, according to Downing Street.

 

Ms von der Leyen, who described the talks as "lively and interesting" said the two sides "remain far apart", a damning verdict that suggests a no-deal Brexit looks increasingly likely. The Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove will now face MPs in a potentially heated Commons showdown, with opposition parties condemning the threat of no deal but Tory Brexiteers relishing it.

 

Edited December 10, 2020 by david555

[david555]

37 minutes ago, vogie said:

You see, every cloud has a silver lining.

This one not behind paywall on mobile 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/09/uk-holidaymakers-could-be-barred-from-visiting-eu-under-covid-safety-rules

British holidaymakers will be barred from the European Union from 1 January under current Covid-19 safety restrictions, with the EU commission indicating there will be no exemption for the UK.

 

Only a handful of countries with low coronavirus rates are exempt from rules that prohibit nonessential visitors from outside the EU and European Economic Area (EEA) – with the UK included only until the end of the Brexit transition period.

Edited December 10, 2020 by david555

[polpott]

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Go back and read every link properly. I could do the work for you and cite everything but with your consistent denial what is the point.

 

You still don't understand how the EU really works. One member one vote and the right to veto. That sums up it all really and you comprehension of the EU.

 

You remind me of a teacher telling his student that when he drops a ball to the ground the ball hits the floor. The says it doesn't and  the student will never believe him. So the teacher says you need to open your eyes.

 

No more trying to debate with you. I can provide a hundred links and even if you bothered to read any of them like you didn't before you would probably definitely not understand.

Your post sounds like that of someone who has posted a number of links that bear no relevance to the question and are embarrassed by the fact that you personally can find not one quote in them that furthers your argument so in your defence you attack the poster. You refuse to debate with me because you have nothing to debate with. 

 

I have come to this conclusion having read your links and found nothing relevant to the question, "Does Germany rule the EU?". I dare say you've come to the same conclusion but aren't big enough to admit it.