Trump hints at 2024 run, Biden to meet with U.S. workers hit by pandemic

[webfact]

Trump hints at 2024 run, Biden to meet with U.S. workers hit by pandemic

By Steve Holland and Jarrett Renshaw

 

FILE PHOTO: U.S. President Donald Trump walks on the South Lawn of the White House upon his return to Washington from Camp David, U.S., November 29, 2020. REUTERS/Yuri Gripas

 

WASHINGTON/WILMINGTON, Del. (Reuters) - Donald Trump hinted he may be ready to move on to planning another run for the U.S. presidency in 2024 as President-elect Joe Biden prepared on Wednesday to confront the raging pandemic that will likely be his first major challenge in office.

 

Biden, who has promised to act quickly to provide more resources to fight the health crisis after he is inaugurated on Jan. 20, was scheduled to talk with workers and business owners about how the coronavirus has affected them.

 

President Trump has refused to concede, however, and his lawyers continue to file legal challenges to the outcome of the Nov. 3 election, alleging electoral fraud without providing evidence. State and federal election officials have repeatedly said there is no such evidence.

 

At a White House holiday reception on Tuesday night, Trump appeared to acknowledge that those efforts could fail, and in that case he would run again.

 

"We are trying to do another four years," he told the assembled group, according to a Republican source who was at the event. "Otherwise, I’ll see you in four years.”

 

On Tuesday, Attorney General William Barr, who has long been seen as a Trump ally, said the Justice Department has also found no evidence of widespread fraud.

 

Trump's claims have gained traction among his followers, however, helping to raise as much as $170 million for an "Election Defense Fund" that can be used for a wide variety of future political activities, including another run for the presidency, according to news media reports.

 

On Wednesday, Georgia's Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said Biden was headed for victory after the state's second recount, and sharply criticized Trump for fomenting false claims.

 

"Even after this office request that President Trump try and quell the violent rhetoric being born out of his continuing claims of winning the states where he obviously lost, he tweeted out 'expose the massive voter fraud in Georgia,'" he said.

 

"This is exactly the kind of language that is at the base of a growing threat environment for election workers who are simply doing their jobs."

 

MOVING AHEAD WITH TRANSITION

Biden has already selected many of his top national security and economic advisers, though it is unclear how many will win confirmation in a closely divided Senate, control of which will be determined by a pair of January runoff elections in Georgia.

 

On Wednesday, Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris will receive national security briefings from government officials, after a delay of several weeks.

 

Biden told the New York Times in an interview on Tuesday evening that he would try to help resolve a months-long standoff in Congress between Republicans and Democrats over a stimulus package for businesses affected by coronavirus shutdowns as well as the millions who have lost jobs.

 

More than 270,000 Americans have died of COVID-19, which is resurgent around the country. The United States leads the world in the number of infections as well as the number of deaths reported every day.

 

"You have over 10 million people out there who are worried (how) they can pay their next mortgage payment,” Biden said in the interview, and “you have a significantly higher number of people who have no ability to pay their rent.”

 

Failure on the issue could have political consequences for Republicans, Biden told the newspaper.

 

“When you have cops and firefighters and first responders across the board being laid off, when you’re not getting the kind of distribution of vaccines out to rural America, it has to have some consequences,” he was quoted as saying.

 

Top Senate Republican Mitch McConnell has begun circulating new draft legislation after a bipartisan group of lawmakers unveiled a $908 billion package.

 

Britain approved Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine on Wednesday, the first country to do so. Once similar approval is granted by U.S. regulators, health officials plan to begin vaccinating Americans as soon as mid-December.

 

(Reporting by Andy Sullivan and Brad Heath; Writing by Sonya Hepinstall; Editing by Scott Malone and Alistair Bell)

 

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[PatOngo]

19 minutes ago, webfact said:

More than 270,000 Americans have died of COVID-19, which is resurgent around the country. The United States leads the world in the number of infections as well as the number of deaths reported every day.

That's your legacy Donald. If people are truly stupid enough to vote for this clown again, may you get what you deserve America! I only hope it's not a Trump!

[bkk6060]

4 minutes ago, PatOngo said:

That's your legacy Donald. If people are truly stupid enough to vote for this clown again, may you get what you deserve America! I only hope it's not a Trump!

If not him it will be one of his kids.

I bet we will be hearing the name Trump mentioned politically for many many years.

[PatOngo]

Just now, bkk6060 said:

If not him it will be one of his kids.

I bet we will be hearing the name Trump mentioned politically for many many years.

I suspect we will be hearing the name mentioned criminally as well!

[mr mr]

8 minutes ago, PatOngo said:

That's your legacy Donald.

that's your legacy america.

[Credo]

For those who might be good with math, won't Trump be 78?   I mean, a lot of people seem to think that's too old to be president.

 

[Jeffr2]

7 minutes ago, Credo said:

For those who might be good with math, won't Trump be 78?   I mean, a lot of people seem to think that's too old to be president.

 

As you know with Trump supporters.  Easy to bash others, but give a pass to him on stuff like this.

 

Interesting article about his run.  Many in the GOP are ready to move on from Trump.  Sadly, his base is still mesmerized and acting like cult members.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/02/politics/donald-trump-2024-republican-party/index.html

Another Donald Trump presidential bid is the absolute worst case scenario for Republicans

[OneMoreFarang]

Now the GOP politicians have to decide if they want to support Trump in the next 4 years or if the don't do that and then maybe in 2024 Trump will run as an independent and will get a big part of the voters who would normally vote GOP.

It seems the next years won't get boring in the USA. And we in the rest of the world can watch this like the bad soap opera it is.

[EVENKEEL]

43 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

 

It seems the next years won't get boring in the USA. And we in the rest of the world can watch this like the bad soap opera it is.

Trump showed it's OK to make our allies pay their fair share. Freedom isn't free.

[Tug]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Now the GOP politicians have to decide if they want to support Trump in the next 4 years or if the don't do that and then maybe in 2024 Trump will run as an independent and will get a big part of the voters who would normally vote GOP.

It seems the next years won't get boring in the USA. And we in the rest of the world can watch this like the bad soap opera it is.

I think you have that wrong it’s not if they want to support they despise him as most thinking folks do they are terrified of his base one bad tweet from trump can ruin their lives and career trumps no republican he has no guiding principles let alone republican principles imo he won’t run in 2024 but he will certainly bilk the you know what out of the rubes

[Chomper Higgot]

23 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Trump showed it's OK to make our allies pay their fair share. Freedom isn't free.

And crooks pay for their pardons. ‘Freedom isn’t free’.

[Chomper Higgot]

The removal of Trump from the WH and Barr from the DoJ is going to open the can of seething corruption they have been using their office to commit and to hide.

 

Trump’s life is over the moment he leaves office.

 

The race is on between his creditors and NY State prosecutors.

 

There will be no Trump 2024

 

He’s done.

Edited December 3, 2020 by Chomper Higgot

[EVENKEEL]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And crooks pay for their pardons. ‘Freedom isn’t free’.

So much for a creditable retort. 

[Tug]

2 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

So much for a creditable retort. 

The bigger man gives a hand up and protects their friends it’s the correct honorable thing to do trumps legacy imo will be the world distrusting America it will take decades to undo the damage he has wrot 

[Walker88]

I very much doubt 45 will be a free man in 2024. NY State has him under investigation for a host of crimes, from bank and insurance fraud to tax evasion. No pardon will free him from justice at the State level.

 

As a non-sitting former POTUS, he won't even be able to hide behind the silly OLC ruling about a sitting POTUS being free from prosecution, so the various cases against him for sexual assault/rape (e.g., E Jean Caroll) will procede. Remember she has the un-laundered dress she wore when she alleges he raped her and will seek a sample of his DNA to match against stains on the dress. At the very least, if there's a DNA match, 45 will have to change his tune from the vile "She's not my type" to "It was consensual".

 

On his side, 45 has raised, via his bogus 'fraud' claims for which he has offered zero proof, almost $170 million of suckers' money to defend himself (at least with 75% of it, as the small print in his begging indicates), so as usual he will get others to pay for his own crimes or failures (like his 6 bankruptcies, which were ultimately paid for by the US Taxpayer, as stiffed banks and creditors could use their loss to write off tax liability).

 

Re his potential cases, NY State has all the documents and phone conversations given them by former 45 attorney Michael Cohen. Just as Cohen's material proved 45's willing participation in the payoff to Stormy Daniels, ending with 45 being an 'unindicted co-conspirator', the material could well prove all the charges re 45's bank and insurance fraud.

 

If convicted, jail is not only likely, but necessary. The US must demonstrate that ALL are equal under the law, even POTUSs. If a major economic power and democracy like South Korea can jail several of its former leaders, the supposed beacon of democracy and justice in the world (or so it claims), the US, must also jail those who break the law.

 

There's no Twitter from jail. 45 is likely to disappear without his Tweets.

Edited December 3, 2020 by Walker88

[J Town]

What's nice, now that it's been accepted even by Fox AND Barr to say the emperor has no clothes, 45's barely getting any coverage. Can we please just let him go away like the stench he is?

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

Trump showed it's OK to make our allies pay their fair share. Freedom isn't free.

Who wants to be an ally of a maniac? Sane people stay away from those mentales.

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Who wants to be an ally of a maniac? Sane people stay away from those mentales.

 

  Surely you can do better than just call him names ?

Well, just pleased you didn't need to post photos of school girls in mini skirts and high heals , "maniacs'" of various persuasions around 

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

Trump showed it's OK to make our allies pay their fair share. Freedom isn't free.

Your view of how world diplomacy works is a bit skewed.  The US has gotten rich off selling our products and services globally.  And prospered because they were considered a leader of the free world, and helping to protect that status.

 

Trump's view of how this works was wrong and hurt the standing of the US.  China's now getting ahead, world leaders are working with other countries now due to Trump's tantrums and misleading statements, etc.

 

Trump was the worst thing to happen to the US in decades.  270,000 dead Americans, and some 12-25 million unemployed Americans are testament to this.

[CorpusChristie]

Just now, Jeffr2 said:

Your view of how world diplomacy works is a bit skewed.  The US has gotten rich off selling our products and services globally. 

 

  Having a $ 27 000 000 000 000 National debt, is hardly being "rich"

[Jeffr2]

Seems Jared and Ivanka are trying to find a "friendly" place to live.  Can't go back to NYC, they'll be run out of town. LOL.

 

Seems they'll be pursing stuff like Sean Spicer and Sarah Sanders are doing.  Meeting with the alt right crowd and getting rich off that.  Getting involved with the GOP and other right wing political groups.

 

Ivanka can't really get into office easily.  But Laura has said this.  Stunning anyone would vote for this newbie.  Interesting to see how she's the adopted the "let's see what happens" from her father in law.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/25/politics/lara-trump-north-carolina-senate/index.html

 

"It would be an incredible thing. It's my home state, a state I love so much and. And look, I think we need some strong Republicans in Washington, DC. We had a great run with the Senate and the House this go-round, but you know, let's see what happens," she said during an appearance on Fox News.

[Jeffr2]

4 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Having a $ 27 000 000 000 000 National debt, is hardly being "rich"

Yeah, Trump promised to eliminate the debt, but actually increased it by some $7 TRILLION! 

 

MAGA!!????

[Walker88]

3 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Your view of how world diplomacy works is a bit skewed.  The US has gotten rich off selling our products and services globally.  And prospered because they were considered a leader of the free world, and helping to protect that status.

 

Trump's view of how this works was wrong and hurt the standing of the US.  China's now getting ahead, world leaders are working with other countries now due to Trump's tantrums and misleading statements, etc.

 

Trump was the worst thing to happen to the US in decades.  270,000 dead Americans, and some 12-25 million unemployed Americans are testament to this.

One really can tear apart that 'fair share' drivel, besides the fact that the greatest beneficiary of the peace and security NATO provided went to the US in terms of trade and explosive GDP growth after WWII.

 

Do sweetheart no-bid contracts with massive cost overruns and poor performance of the delivered product count as 'fair share'? Does the bloated US defense budget, which even SecDef Rumsfeld admitted back in 2001 had upwards of $3 trillion that was poorly accounted for or not accounted for at all, count as 'fair share'? In a world where technology has made impotent huge budget weapons such as aircraft carriers, does building another one count as 'fair share'?

 

It's been 40 years since the Argentinians showed how vulnerable a UK battleship could be with a simple Exocet missile. Today, the Exocet is to modern hypersonic missiles what the Wright Brothers plane is to a commercial airliner, which means entire carrier groups are sitting targets. Nobody needs a fully-decked nuclear carrier to go after that 'other threat' (terrorists) and carriers are now useless against major state adversaries like Russia and China, so 'fair share' is not fulfilled by useless weapons.

As important as any frivolous defense spending is intelligence---that is, what might our adversaries be up to---and in this regard our NATO allies or Five Eyes partners provide invaluable shared intelligence that doesn't fit into a spreadsheet based on a poorly defined concept of 'fair share'. The US has received life saving intelligence from, inter alia, NATO allies France, the UK and Germany. How much is that worth? What is the cost of a 9-11?  Best to factor that into 'fair share'.

 

Sadly, some of that intelligence cooperation has diminished under 45 because allies no longer trust that 'sources and methods' can be protected by the Administration. A perfect example was when 45 mouthed off to Russia FM Lavrov and Russian Ambassador Kislyak about an Israeli penetration of ISIS, which rendered that penetration useless (or dead). Israel had given the US that intel with restrictions on passage, which 45 ignored. That did not go unnoticed in the world, and instantly many critical liaison relationships the US had with allies went fallow. Part of Biden's job will be to rebuild those liaison relationships and try to re-establish trust in the US. Fortunately Biden has selected extremely comeptent folks to try to carry that out, with ODNI designate Avril Haines, SecState designate Tony Blinken, and NSA Jake Sullivan. Folks being considered for DCI are also top notch, and even Christopher Wray, hamstrung under 45, is likely to keep his job as DirFBI under President Biden.

[Walker88]

20 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Having a $ 27 000 000 000 000 National debt, is hardly being "rich"

When 45 came to office that debt, accumulated over 240 years, was $19.3 trillion. Four years later 45 increased it by 40%, to $27,300,000,000,000.

 

45's 'greatest economy ever' (sic) was debt fueled, and even then it was weak (70% of all quarters since the end of WWII beat 45's average GDP growth even before the 45 Recession). 45's job creation---again, even before the current massive UE rate jump---was well below Obama's job creation numbers, and as for the thing 45 loves to bark about---the stock market---45 is a decimal place below the market's gains under Obama. Like most everything 45 bloviates about, his statements are either false or woefully misleading.

[newatthis]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

On Wednesday, Georgia's Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said Biden was headed for victory after the state's second recount, and sharply criticized Trump for fomenting false claims.

 

"Even after this office request that President Trump try and quell the violent rhetoric being born out of his continuing claims of winning the states where he obviously lost, he tweeted out 'expose the massive voter fraud in Georgia,'" he said.

 

"This is exactly the kind of language that is at the base of a growing threat environment for election workers who are simply doing their jobs."

 

When are people going to learn. Trump doesn't give a rodent's rectum about the USA or its people. All he cares about is Trump, Trump, Trump. He would gladly put other people's lives in danger just to get his own way. He's all about Make Trump Great Again.

Be grateful and thankful that he's going. Sadly, even as he's leaving, he's still scamming 70 million Americans as they give millions to his so-called election defence fund. Posters on TVF pick on Thais when they get ripped off by a con; but are Americans any different?

[OneMoreFarang]

39 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Surely you can do better than just call him names ?

Well, just pleased you didn't need to post photos of school girls in mini skirts and high heals , "maniacs'" of various persuasions around 

I am sure you will find those pictures yourself and don't need my help for that.

 

And I didn't just call him names. I described reality - even if some people have problems with accepting reality.

[CorpusChristie]

Cant you guys talk about anything other than Trump bashing ?

[Lacessit]

16 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Cant you guys talk about anything other than Trump bashing ?

What would you like us to talk about? What a wonderful job he did with a pandemic?

The headline says Biden is meeting with workers hit by it, AFAIK the meetings Trump held, helped to spread it.

[Srikcir]

Possibly the NY State Prosecutor will make that run confined to the jail house yard.

[placeholder]

25 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Cant you guys talk about anything other than Trump bashing ?

Are you trying to provide another instance evidence in support of the theory of conditioned reflexes? Do you realize that the very first word in the name of this topic is "Trump"?