Thailand to launch nationwide Covid-19 vaccination in May

[Miami007]

10 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

True, it mostly impacts the elderly.  But many others are dying also.  Young, strong, and not old. Let's not downplay the severity of this virus.  And not forget those with long term effects.  Many of which are not fully understood yet.

If you check CDC stats by age group, you will see where deaths are concentrated. Very few who are young and strong are dying or in the hospital. Just look at the professional athletes who were infected and were playing or practicing the day before the positive test and are now back on the field (NFL, soccer, tennis.. all sports where you need to run and have lung capacity). Have you heard of TV personalities who got sick and passed away? Same for politicians or royalty.

My parents at 85 and 78 have to be extremely careful as they are old and have other ailments (high blood pressure, diabetes, overweight). My sister at 52 is fairly save and my nieces 16 and 17 have a minimal risk (and already had it without symptoms).

The long-term risk is speculation

So not everyone has to panic - we need to assess risk for people and act accordingly 

[Miami007]

5 hours ago, johng said:

Most people infected don't develop severe symptoms anyway and wouldn't even know they where infected without a test.

One of the few diseases that require a test to let the majority know that they are sick.

I wonder how many people carry a flu virus without symptoms. I asked a doctor and he told me that nobody is being tested for flu unless they show symptoms

Considering that we are now finding coronavirus in blood samples from December 2019 in the USA and September 2019 in Italy, we should try to find out how long this virus circulated before it was in the news

[john terry1001]

7 hours ago, VBF said:

Surely the whole point of having any vaccine is that even if you do get and pass on the virus, it won't harm you?

Therefore if enough people are vaccinated it doesn't matter if they pass it around between them - i.e. transmit it to another vaccinated individual

I don't think you can assume the process is that straight forward. These vaccines are reputed to be 90% effective and that may well be true, with the 70% effective guideline also being acceptable. In fact, most virus vaccines available today are les than 80% effective, with some as low as under 60%. And passing on an infection to another vaccinated person does NOT mean that infection is any less serious. It can be equally, or even more, serious, even after vaccinations.

 

For example, in the UK, almost all people currently  under about 45-50 had a TB vaccine when around 12-14 years old and were advised at the time, immunity was for life (although now quoted as 40 years). I myself was vaccinated in 1963 but caught TB from a Thai person in 1993. My son then caught TB from me, just seven years after having his own TB vaccination.

 

One of my lungs was severely and permanently damaged by the TB and is now useless, plus, although not as bad, my son's lung was also permanently damaged.

 

So it's definitely possible to still catch a virus after having a vaccination, and that virus can definitely still be just as serious, even after having a proven inoculation. 

[Miami007]

6 hours ago, Yme said:

And of course other countries will also rightly refuse the jab to their none citizens too, such as foreign students, migrant workers, foreign workers, retirees, etc.

 

Refusing to vaccinate people in your country is counter productive.

You want to protect the entire population or most of it.

Afaik, there are no plans to exclude foreign students in the USA. Or look at Dubai,  for example... the majority of residents are non-citizens and non Arab...

[DogNo1]

Politicians who don't respond to their constituent's wishes  don't remain politicians for very long.   Most learn early on that they must answer positively to a great number of diverse demands, so lying becomes part of the tradecraft.  Have you ever heard of an honest politician?

[goldenbrwn1]

18 hours ago, Mavideol said:

UK not beginning Dec 8th, it was a stunt to publicity/politically revenge to the EU.... many hurdles still need to be clear in order for the UK to start to do anything, they were not prepared to stock the vaccine at such drastic cold requirements

Well the football stadium near where I live is being prepared as a huge vaccination center , so something is def coming in the nxt week or so.  Bristol City ground . 

[KC 71]

8 hours ago, Autonuaq said:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/mit-machine-learning-models-find-gaps-in-coverage-by-moderna-pfizer-other-warp-speed-covid-19-vaccines/?ftag=TRE-03-10aaa6b&bhid=29334542088402487580381695327613&mid=13188182&cid=2257218158

 

MIT machine learning models find gaps in coverage by Moderna, Pfizer, other Warp Speed COVID-19 vaccines

 

Vaccine makers need to take into account genetic diversity explicitly in clinical trials or risk missing coverage for some individuals, says MIT scientists.

 

Vaccines to block COVID-19 that are in development by Moderna, Pfizer, AstraZeneca and others, and that are currently in Phase III clinical trials, may not do as well covering people of Black or Asian genetic ancestry as they do for white people, a study released Wednesday by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology indicated.

Why do the vaccines need to be stored at   -70 degrees ?

[joecoolfrog]

On 12/3/2020 at 1:41 PM, fishtank said:

UK are beginning next Tuesday 8th December.

May?????

UK are initially using the Pfizer vaccine as it is the first to be approved. Thailand are happy to wait for the much cheaper Oxford version.

[schvonsky1]

On 12/3/2020 at 1:16 PM, mr mr said:

any foreigners wishing to stay in thailand will have to make the choice. 

Yup I’m sure they pay for it or get booted out it’s a no brainier ????

[ThailandRyan]

15 minutes ago, schvonsky1 said:

Errrm no the good English scientists have produced the vaccine and the Chinese mofos has cost them 6 billion bht to pay for it not to mention the economic loss thanks to the little yellow folk ????

Yes and No.  Thailand has a signed agrrement to obtain the first doses, and then to locally produce more.

 

Thailand signs supply deals for AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine | International | dnronline.com

 

Under a separate deal in October, the Health Ministry, Siam Bioscience Co. and the SCG business conglomerate signed a letter of intent with AstraZeneca on the manufacturing and supply of the AZD1222 vaccine candidate. It would allow Siam Bioscience to produce the vaccine at its own plant, with a starting date targeted for the middle of next year.

[Jeffr2]

9 hours ago, Miami007 said:

If you check CDC stats by age group, you will see where deaths are concentrated. Very few who are young and strong are dying or in the hospital. Just look at the professional athletes who were infected and were playing or practicing the day before the positive test and are now back on the field (NFL, soccer, tennis.. all sports where you need to run and have lung capacity). Have you heard of TV personalities who got sick and passed away? Same for politicians or royalty.

My parents at 85 and 78 have to be extremely careful as they are old and have other ailments (high blood pressure, diabetes, overweight). My sister at 52 is fairly save and my nieces 16 and 17 have a minimal risk (and already had it without symptoms).

The long-term risk is speculation

So not everyone has to panic - we need to assess risk for people and act accordingly 

Tell this 33 year old that CV19 isn't a big deal.  It is...

 

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/nidhiprakash/covid-coronavirus-longterm-symptoms-future-of-vaccine?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=BuzzFeed News Incoming 12%2F4&utm_term=News confirmed list

[Stargeezr]

Glad the young and old are going to get the vaccines. The primary schools, 1 to grade 5

stay open, so Mon and Dad can go to work and and not have to stay home to watch

their young children. People who do not have children seem to over think this simple

problem, that all parents know. As for the old, who are more likely to die if they catch the

virus, is the other reason. First line workers, and essential workers, especially doctors, nurses, police,         fire fighters, and others should be getting the first available batches as well.

Geezer

 

[SupermarineS6B]

Ha ha, i bet Anutin's biting his office chair in anger right now over them "Dirty Farangs" saving the world before he could even get the kettle on........     

[goatfarmer]

22 hours ago, Suradit69 said:

I don’t see that as a problem and fully support the idea that the Thai government would prioritize its citizens. I seriously doubt I’ll need to start saving to pay for the vaccination anymore than I have to for regular medical care from a private hospital. Thailand has kept me safer from the virus than my country has done for its residents. I can contribute to further protect myself without whining about it.

I too. Nothing to whine about. This is a mass market vaccine, not some exotic, boutique cocktail for the rich. The goal would be to vaccinate as many people as possible which can only be achieved at a reasonable, affordable price. 

[Ramdas]

It sounds like that farangs are the underdogs, they haven’t mentioned anything about us..Are we going to be eligible for it ? If so, will they take advantage of it to further charges for us ???? it wouldn’t surprise me..

 

[Arfur]

Anyone know if the vaccine will be compulsory for Thais?

[Sheryl]

A post with link to a nonauthoritative site with conspiracy nonsense has been removed.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

11 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Tell this 33 year old that CV19 isn't a big deal.  It is...

 

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/nidhiprakash/covid-coronavirus-longterm-symptoms-future-of-vaccine?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=BuzzFeed News Incoming 12%2F4&utm_term=News confirmed list

 

 

And from the U.S. CDC:

 

"Most reported SARS-CoV-2 infections in children aged <18 years are asymptomatic or mild. Less is known about severe COVID-19 in children requiring hospitalization.

 

What is added by this report?

Analysis of pediatric COVID-19 hospitalization data from 14 states found that although the cumulative rate of COVID-19–associated hospitalization among children (8.0 per 100,000 population) is low compared with that in adults (164.5), one in three hospitalized children was admitted to an intensive care unit.

 

What are the implications for public health practice?

Children are at risk for severe COVID-19."

 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6932e3.htm

 

Hospitalization Rates and Characteristics of Children Aged <18 Years Hospitalized with Laboratory-Confirmed COVID-19 — COVID-NET, 14 States, March 1–July 25, 2020

[onthedarkside]

A COVID conspiracy theory video from a dubious source has been removed.

 

[tinca tinca]

and what about farangs living here ???

[ThailandRyan]

14 minutes ago, tinca tinca said:

and what about farangs living here ???

Your guess is as good as anyones.  I however believe that if you want it you will need to obtain it through a private hospital or source other than the government.  Who knows maybe your HI plan will cover the cost in order for them to not be out of pocket big money should you catch Covid.

[Bangyai]

On 12/3/2020 at 4:35 AM, snoop1130 said:

A programme to monitor any adverse side effects will run from July until January 2022.

 

Hetrosexual Monday.   Transexual Tuesday. Zombie Wednesday

[ThailandRyan]

Here is some food for thought, as some of the side effects are actual symptoms of Covid.

‘Absolutely normal’: Covid vaccine side effects are no reason to avoid the shots, doctors say (msn.com)

[Ceruhe]

Is there already a plan to make this mandatory for everybody or does anybody know which kind of symbol I'll need to wear around my arm at all times identifying I didn't get vaccinated? I wanna be ahead of the fashion curve while I can.

[mlmcleod]

On 12/3/2020 at 7:35 PM, snoop1130 said:

Opas confirmed that vaccination will be provided free of charge by the government. Private hospitals can source their own vaccine supply, he added.

Does that apply to expats or will we have to use the private hospital sources at thousands of baht per vaccination?

[eddysmit]

On 12/4/2020 at 10:44 AM, recom273 said:

 

It is what it is, if I need it, and have to have it - then I’m sure I will pay, but private hospitals are a license to make money.

 

Just to see my specialist, I need to be guided to the waiting room by a lovely greeter, then have my temperature, weight, height and blood pressure taken (oh sir, good news everything is normal - as last month?) and if I’m allergic to anything - 250B
 

This is going to be an interesting time. 

 

 

Sounds familiar, and to get those vaccines in the UK will add the odd few ten pound notes if done privately for paperwork needed.

[John Drake]

On 12/4/2020 at 8:08 AM, drvin said:

Do you think your home country would allow a Thai visitor to step in line before a citizen.

 

I know it would. It does so for kidney and other organ transplants.

[chainarong]

Its up to the individual.  Anything from Russia or China decline, they never did a proper trial period.

 

[VBF]

On 12/6/2020 at 3:14 AM, ThailandRyan said:

Here is some food for thought, as some of the side effects are actual symptoms of Covid.

‘Absolutely normal’: Covid vaccine side effects are no reason to avoid the shots, doctors say (msn.com)

Nothing much new here... 

 Side effects are signs that the body’s immune system is working.

This has been the case for many years with many vaccines - 2 weeks ago I had a 'flu vaccine - I asked about possible side-effects, Nurse said I might get mild 'flu symptoms, shivers, feel cold etc.  and to take a Paracetamol if needed.

Sure enough, for the remainder of the day I had such symptoms - didn't bother with the Para - dressed warm, big bowl of spicy soup, snooze in front of the TV.

Next day - right as rain.

 

Friend went to the same GP, same shot, no side-effects at all.

[samsensam]

On 12/3/2020 at 12:56 PM, n00dle said:

Children make perfect sense, if theyndont get it iin school, they can't bring it home.

 

Dont know if younhave ever had kids, but I have never had so many flus or colds as when my kid was in elementary school.

 

Dirty little virus beasts they are.

 

 

 

i guess you dont understand about covid or the vaccine; children, unless they have underlying health issues, are not considered an at risk group, and just because you have been vaccinated it does not prevent you being infected with covid and passing it on to other people, the vaccine means you will not develop symptoms. therefore it makes no sense to vaccinate children first.