PM Johnson says a moment may come when its game over on Brexit

[Surelynot]

[kingdong]

5 hours ago, RayC said:

A medium sized player takes on a big boy and comes off second best. You don't see any similarities with the EU-UK relationship? 

No,but i see the similarities when britain stood up alone to fascism in 1939,big player in what?a depressed market following the corona virus?think you,ll find it,ll be a buyers market out there.

[RayC]

Johnson is stuck between a rock and a hard place. How on earth did we end up with this clown as PM?

 https://davidallengreen.com/2020/12/the-fork-in-the-road-to-brexit-boris-johnson-has-to-choose-between-being-irresponsible-or-being-unprincipled/

[Surelynot]

5 minutes ago, RayC said:

Johnson is stuck between a rock and a hard place. How on earth did we end up with this clown as PM?

 https://davidallengreen.com/2020/12/the-fork-in-the-road-to-brexit-boris-johnson-has-to-choose-between-being-irresponsible-or-being-unprincipled/

Very succinct 

[RayC]

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

No,but i see the similarities when britain stood up alone to fascism in 1939

What has that got to do with any discussion about EU-UK trade in the 2020s?

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

 

,big player in what?

Relative sizes and influence. You were the one who brought up Australia and China. Remember?

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

a depressed market following the corona virus?think you,ll find it,ll be a buyers market out there.

 

And if it is so what? How does this change the fact that the combined size of the EU market dwarfs that if the UK?

[kingdong]

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

What has that got to do with any discussion about EU-UK trade in the 2020s?

Relative sizes and influence. You were the one who brought up Australia and China. Remember?

 

And if it is so what? How does this change the fact that the combined size of the EU market dwarfs that if the UK?

Think you,ll find the eu are a busted flush,not only is the uks financial contribution having going to be made up,but they,ll be passing the hat round for their grand corona relief scheme,be interesting to see how the rest of the eu will react when that occurs,my moneys on poland to show a pair and tell them to shove it.

[kingdong]

16 minutes ago, RayC said:

Johnson is stuck between a rock and a hard place. How on earth did we end up with this clown as PM?

 https://davidallengreen.com/2020/12/the-fork-in-the-road-to-brexit-boris-johnson-has-to-choose-between-being-irresponsible-or-being-unprincipled/

A democratic election?

[RuamRudy]

9 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Think you,ll find the eu are a busted flush,not only is the uks financial contribution having going to be made up,but they,ll be passing the hat round for their grand corona relief scheme,be interesting to see how the rest of the eu will react when that occurs,my moneys on poland to show a pair and tell them to shove it.

 

Poland is just the latest in a long line of TVF Brexiteers' prophecies of the country which would break the EU's back; prophecised as being on its last legs since 2015, still amply capable of kicking Johnson's ass. 

[Rookiescot]

You gotta love the Brexiteers. Still clinging on to the belief that they hold all the cards. Still believing bluff and bluster will see them through.

Wise up guys. Johnson is going to accept all the EU's demands and capitulate.

This is the guy to get Brexit done. This is the guy you all voted for because of his oven ready deal. This is the guy who led you all down the garden path with the lies told by vote leave. You were lied to. But even now you cannot accept that fact.

It was all so easy. Feed the masses a few meaningless slogans and buzzwords and the sheep will vote for it. Appeal to their dislike of immigrants whether legal or not. Give them an evening in Parliament square listening to Big Ben chime on their cassette recorders and some time biting the union flag. Keep harking back to a war from 75 years ago as if its still relevant. Keep telling them that the UK will prevail.  In the mean time we can avoid that evasion law the EU are bringing in regarding tax havens.

You got played guys. Plain and simple. Now you will have to pay for the results because there is no way the rich will be digging into their pockets to help.

Were it not for the damage done to the UK economy this entire farce would be hilarious.

I'm glad I never voted for it. As a patriot I could never hold my head aloft and say "Yeah I voted to damage the UK for years to come".

 

[JonnyF]

2 hours ago, Surelynot said:

5555.....Very graphic......I am just trying recall if I have ever seen a short, fat, aging blonde cowboy swagger anywhere.....nope.

But have you ever seen an ageing, stubborn  sulking Frenchman running away with his tail between his legs?

 

Oh.. wait a minute...

 

 

[Susco]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

But have you ever seen an ageing, stubborn  sulking Frenchman running away with his tail between his legs?

 

Oh.. wait a minute...

 

 

 

You think Boris has French roots?

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, Susco said:

 

I suggest you take up a job as a standup comedian, and it is not that we don't believe you, but I'm still waiting for that link for that other claim you made.

 

It was widely reported across various outlets that these threats were made, and they were never denied by the EU.

 

Since you said it was widely reported, I'm sure it should be easy to just fish up 1 single link.

I've already provided links. I suggest you read them properly or learn to use google.

 

Nice try at giving me the runaround though. Well, by nice I really mean weak.

[Susco]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I've already provided links

 

 

Where? You mean the ones where you have to read the invisible text between the lines?

[Rookiescot]

9 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I've already provided links. I suggest you read them properly or learn to use google.

 

Nice try at giving me the runaround though. Well, by nice I really mean weak.

 

I think you may have gotten confused again. You did say it was "widely reported" and then when challenged you failed to provide any links at all to your baseless assertion. 

[RayC]

17 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

You think Boris has French roots?

Clue's in the name: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson. Man of the people. London East-end Huguenot roots. Family used to own some 'Pie & Mash' shops.

[RayC]

59 minutes ago, kingdong said:

A democratic election?

That's true. But it still beggars belief that someone who proved himself incapable of leading a government department could be seen as being the right person to lead a country.

[Rookiescot]

4 minutes ago, RayC said:

Clue's in the name: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson. Man of the people. London East-end Huguenot roots. Family used to own some 'Pie & Mash' shops.

Wait a sec. Farage sounds distinctly foreign as well.

[Hi from France]

33 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

You gotta love the Brexiteers. Still clinging on to the belief that they hold all the cards. Still believing bluff and bluster will see them through.

 

Wise up guys. Johnson is going to accept all the EU's demands and capitulate.

 

This is the guy to get Brexit done. This is the guy you all voted for because of his oven ready deal. This is the guy who led you all down the garden path with the lies told by vote leave. You were lied to. But even now you cannot accept that fact.

 

It was all so easy. Feed the masses a few meaningless slogans and buzzwords and the sheep will vote for it. Appeal to their dislike of immigrants whether legal or not. Give them an evening in Parliament square listening to Big Ben chime on their cassette recorders and some time biting the union flag. Keep harking back to a war from 75 years ago as if its still relevant. Keep telling them that the UK will prevail.  In the mean time we can avoid that evasion law the EU are bringing in regarding tax havens.

 

You got played guys. Plain and simple. Now you will have to pay for the results because there is no way the rich will be digging into their pockets to help.

 

Boris played you to take power guys, any brexiteer here acknowledge it today?

 

As for the no-deal variant, which is supposed to be better than the inferior deal on the table, which might or might not be signed now, it is not really a viablealternative given the UK cannot raise anchor and cast off.

 

So there will be a deal (or rather a series of deals in the next years, if the EU wants to get back to the negotiating table and if the UK still has something to trade)

 

 

 

https://davidallengreen.com/2020/12/the-fork-in-the-road-to-brexit-boris-johnson-has-to-choose-between-being-irresponsible-or-being-unprincipled/

 

Edited December 9, 2020 by Hi from France

[candide]

3 hours ago, puipuitom said:

CETA does NOT mean full access to the EU market. The Canada-EU trade deal is no model for Brexit - CapX

Thanks. Quite interesting article.

[kingdong]

48 minutes ago, RayC said:

That's true. But it still beggars belief that someone who proved himself incapable of leading a government department could be seen as being the right person to lead a country.

Not really it was a two horse race remain or leave,you could have put bernie winters up and still won by a landslide.

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

You gotta love the Brexiteers. Still clinging on to the belief that they hold all the cards. Still believing bluff and bluster will see them through.

Wise up guys. Johnson is going to accept all the EU's demands and capitulate.

This is the guy to get Brexit done. This is the guy you all voted for because of his oven ready deal. This is the guy who led you all down the garden path with the lies told by vote leave. You were lied to. But even now you cannot accept that fact.

It was all so easy. Feed the masses a few meaningless slogans and buzzwords and the sheep will vote for it. Appeal to their dislike of immigrants whether legal or not. Give them an evening in Parliament square listening to Big Ben chime on their cassette recorders and some time biting the union flag. Keep harking back to a war from 75 years ago as if its still relevant. Keep telling them that the UK will prevail.  In the mean time we can avoid that evasion law the EU are bringing in regarding tax havens.

You got played guys. Plain and simple. Now you will have to pay for the results because there is no way the rich will be digging into their pockets to help.

Were it not for the damage done to the UK economy this entire farce would be hilarious.

I'm glad I never voted for it. As a patriot I could never hold my head aloft and say "Yeah I voted to damage the UK for years to come".

 

He who laughs last laughs the longest.

[mlmcleod]

On 12/8/2020 at 7:03 PM, Loiner said:

It has long been obvious that the EU don't want to make a 'deal', only impose their own rules on the UK. Not happening. Boris has told them that for long enough.

Stop their EU nonsense, pull up the stumps, take the bat & ball and go home No Deal.

 

On 12/8/2020 at 7:04 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

It seems slowly Boris realizes that when he promised unicorns he should have checked first if unicorns are available.

And obviously half the Brits believed him. Amazing.

Sad to say the UK just does not get it!  Deal or no deal the EU is still going to dictate trade conditions for the UK forever!  Brexit was passed to end immigration by Muslims.  Now the poor citizens are going to pay for it.  The difference between the economic power of the UK and the EU is tremendous.  Sadly, the USA was along the same path during the Trump administration.  Right now, it seems that only China has the depth of resources to go it alone anymore.

[RayC]

An article, which is opinion, but based upon logical reasoning. I'd suggest that it is pretty close to the truth. Guess that we will know for sure in a few days.

https://davidallengreen.com/2020/12/brexit-will-be-either-with-no-deal-or-a-deal-on-the-terms-of-the-european-union-and-it-is-difficult-to-see-how-any-brexit-could-have-ended-differently/

[Surelynot]

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

An article, which is opinion, but based upon logical reasoning. I'd suggest that it is pretty close to the truth. Guess that we will know for sure in a few days.

https://davidallengreen.com/2020/12/brexit-will-be-either-with-no-deal-or-a-deal-on-the-terms-of-the-european-union-and-it-is-difficult-to-see-how-any-brexit-could-have-ended-differently/

Johnson threw the kitchen sink at this in order to get into No 10 with a complete disregard for the consequences ...and now he has to face up to the fork in the road.........accept a deal that is unacceptable or.......leave with with no deal which will be catastrophic (for the man in the street).

 

I have only recently realized that he doesn't care what happens...why would we he? He is made man whatever,,, the UK and its future is no more than a play thing.....sick.

[CorpusChristie]

2 hours ago, mlmcleod said:

 

Sad to say the UK just does not get it!  Deal or no deal the EU is still going to dictate trade conditions for the UK forever!  Brexit was passed to end immigration by Muslims.  Now the poor citizens are going to pay for it.  The difference between the economic power of the UK and the EU is tremendous.  Sadly, the USA was along the same path during the Trump administration.  Right now, it seems that only China has the depth of resources to go it alone anymore.

 

  No deal : We are happy with that . 

[Hi from France]

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  No deal : We are happy with that . 

no-deal.is.not.possible

 

like the present negotiating situation, will it take years for you to realize?

[Hi from France]

 

 

hey Boris, it's still not clear to you

• you can do whatever you want on *your* market
• on *our* market it's *our sovereignty*, live with it 

 

no-one is contesting your newly-acquired 1980's fishing zones, but as we you are putting our fishermen out of business we ask the UK trade some fishing quotas against keeping access to the EU-UK electricity and gas market. It was worth some €6bn in 2015.

 

Access to the EU energy market would allow the UK to adapt weather fluctuations as well as considerable savings buying gas from US or Russia.

 

As it turns out, it's worth much more than fishing cod or North Sea horse mackerel which no one in Britain eats anyway.

 

.

 

 

Edited December 9, 2020 by Hi from France

[puipuitom]

On 12/8/2020 at 2:11 PM, Loiner said:

So how successful has the EU rule setting been? They won’t be getting anything they wanted over the UK. 

And What the EU wants to have from the Tiny Islands ? Cheddar cheese ?

Or the "world famous" Welsh beef ?

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[JonnyF]

4 hours ago, Hi from France said:

no-deal.is.not.possible

 

like the present negotiating situation, will it take years for you to realize?

Of course No Deal is possible. Unless you're changing the meaning of 'deal', like you did with Boris' 'oven ready deal' which at the time clearly referred to the WA but now Remainers like to pretend he was talking about an FTA.

 

Granted, there are still some elements of the WA I don't like, but that's what happens when a Remainer negotiates it and then a Remain Parliament makes it illegal to leave without it. I guess you'd like to forget all that. Remainers knew they couldn't win the game so they tried to smash up the pitch. Pathetic.

[transam]

13 hours ago, RayC said:

Fifteenth-odd years of rationing. Now there's something to look forward to. Good of you to dole out the hardships so liberally to us home-based Brits from your home 6000 miles away.

You are twisting it again 49, I was making a point that freedom sometimes is a difficult road, but we get to our destination in the end...

But expected comment, well done....