ThaiFelix Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 7 hours ago, bodga said: Which offers almost zero protection And there lies the secret........its all about show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jeffr2 Posted December 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2020 21 minutes ago, Snacks said: Thailand has 7 international airports. The USA has 149. Pretty easy to shut down your country when it’s as easy as controlling incoming passengers in only 7 locations. Does anyone think the most diverse economy on the planet was ever going to completely shut down 149 airports?... incidentally suicides are up 25% in Thailand this year. ???? True, but we also had a government here who didn't lie about the virus, refuse to wear masks and bash scientists. IMHO, these were the biggest problems in the US. Poor leadership. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlj Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 To start off with people need to realize the size of Thailand and not compare Thailand to countries much larger than Thailand. There are no way the figures would be close to being correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 hour ago, stretch5163 said: 80 % getting sick doesnt neccesarily mean they all go to the hospital mild conditions dont warrent going to the hospital so thats why hospitals arent overloaded maybe you need to revise your figures. People will self medicate as they think its the flu or a bad cold even just a sore throat...i mean seriously if you had a sore throat would you think oh my ive got covid and have to go to the hospital ? Agreed! But the other member said 86% were asymptomatic. And that's not true. I know several who got the virus and never knew it. Sadly, one is now suffering a bit with loss of taste, hair loss, etc. Months after he thinks he got it. He's been tested and he had the virus at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
from the home of CC Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 9 hours ago, lujanit said: Don't test the wider population, can't report positives. No autopsies performed on the elderly who die, can't report positives. Report people who die from respiratory illness as having died from viral pneumonia. While it might seem as Thailand has done a good job of managing covid the figures which are reported are grossly understated (same as deaths on roads, only report people who are dead at the scene). This is a function of all authoritarian 'governments'. lol, sounds like the game plan of those countries who are mired in this pox, thank Buddha those morons aren't controlling this country.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DavisH Posted December 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2020 9 hours ago, lujanit said: Don't test the wider population, can't report positives. No autopsies performed on the elderly who die, can't report positives. Report people who die from respiratory illness as having died from viral pneumonia. While it might seem as Thailand has done a good job of managing covid the figures which are reported are grossly understated (same as deaths on roads, only report people who are dead at the scene). This is a function of all authoritarian 'governments'. Another know-it-all farang who doesn't know a damn thing. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DefaultName Posted December 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2020 I admit to being sceptical about the low figures. But. I'm married to a Thai, who seems to be related to half of Thailand, and knows the rest by name. ???? I'm hearing NO reports of the virus in the community. In the UK, I know of 4, plus one fatality. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thingamabob Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Warm climate helps and numbers, while genuinely low, may be somewhat understated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bim Smith Posted December 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2020 8 hours ago, Jeffr2 said: Every country, even ones who test, are under reporting CV19 numbers. If the virus was raging here, you'd know it. Hospitals would be full, temporary morgues would be setup, etc. P.S. That's not happening. So it's got nothing to do with testing. And nothing to do with under reporting. Try again. True and our local temples would be doing overtime and they have been really quite these few month. I live next to one and trust me you know when a funeral is taking place 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darksidedude Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 10 hours ago, lujanit said: Don't test the wider population, can't report positives. No autopsies performed on the elderly who die, can't report positives. Report people who die from respiratory illness as having died from viral pneumonia. While it might seem as Thailand has done a good job of managing covid the figures which are reported are grossly understated (same as deaths on roads, only report people who are dead at the scene). This is a function of all authoritarian 'governments'. other countrys should follow suit 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricTh Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 What I notice in Thailand is that most people have the decency to wear mask. That is the most important reason besides other measures. In western countries, most people don't like to wear mask. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfonsV Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 6 hours ago, koolkarl said: I don't know about Cambodia but Thailand is definitely not publishing accurate numbers. As per an article by Bloomberg, dated Nov. 24/20, Thailand ranked # 15 in the world as the worst place to be for covid. New Zealand and Japan ranked the # 1 and 2 safest places. Even Canada and Germany were safer places than Thailand. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-resilience-ranking/ When I see the Bloomberg's figures I cant follow there / your statement 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alidiver Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 8 hours ago, Jeffr2 said: Every country, even ones who test, are under reporting CV19 numbers. If the virus was raging here, you'd know it. Hospitals would be full, temporary morgues would be setup, etc. P.S. That's not happening. So it's got nothing to do with testing. And nothing to do with under reporting. Try again. People have to pay for Covid test and hospital so it goes unreported. As for the numbers; 1. In UK the vast majority of deaths are in their 80's in Thailand the average life span is 79. 2. Road deaths would make Covid deaths look like noise which wouldn't get noticed. I do believe that Thailand has not been hit as bad as other countries, maybe because they have built up immunity from H1N1, bird flu, SARs and all the other pesky deseases eminating from China. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post skippybangkok Posted December 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2020 10 hours ago, lujanit said: Don't test the wider population, can't report positives. No autopsies performed on the elderly who die, can't report positives. Report people who die from respiratory illness as having died from viral pneumonia. While it might seem as Thailand has done a good job of managing covid the figures which are reported are grossly understated (same as deaths on roads, only report people who are dead at the scene). This is a function of all authoritarian 'governments'. I think we have a Farang Thai Quanon base. I feel very safe here, and they have done a great job. Give credit where its due. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 hour ago, DefaultName said: I admit to being sceptical about the low figures. But. I'm married to a Thai, who seems to be related to half of Thailand, and knows the rest by name. ???? I'm hearing NO reports of the virus in the community. In the UK, I know of 4, plus one fatality. Why skeptical? No reports of the virus in the community, no hospitals overflowing. I don't get it. Thailand admits to under reporting. Just like most other nations. So why are you skeptical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfonsV Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 "When I see the Bloomberg's figures I cant follow their / your statement" Sorry for typo! Perhaps I misunderstand Bloomberg's statistic, I just see Thailand immediately following Germany ranking 14. Something wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cake Monster Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 9 hours ago, bodga said: With its extremely porous borders and the convenient timing of new cases at a time when its most needed to control student uprisings . Those borders have been open all the time yet nothing reported until very recently, all the locals know those illegal crossings are going on and any reporting them ends in charges brought by the govt as can bee seen with the hospital guy reporting the still open border situation There are Hundreds, if not Thousands of Illegal Border crossings made every single day into Thailand. The Porous Borders have been leaking for the last 500 Years or so, with illicit goods such as Drugs being Transported into the Country on a huge scale. Nothing has been said, as a good beating from a Rifle Butt, or a Bullet in the Knee Cap sends fear spreading among the Local Villagers that live near the Borders. The Golden Triangle is now more prevalent Today than its ever been. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BernieOnTour Posted December 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2020 Well, one of the reasons, why Thailand managed Covid quite well, was for sure a greater awareness stemming from the SARS experience in SE Asia and a faster reaction. For example, Bangkok Hospital published already on January 11th, 2020 a summary about Coronaviruses, listing symptoms and possible side effects/complications ! The relatively low number of Thai laboratories (in the beginning) being able to perform rtPCR-tests might have been of advantage - allowing to make sure, that they adhered rule based, science based, good laboratory practice. In Thailand, they sticked with the rule, that for a positive result 3 gene segments of SARS-Cov2 have to identified and the cT-value should run to a maximum of 30. In contrary to that some western countries let even veterinarian laboratories make the test, ramped up in too short time many unexperienced laboratories, did not standardize the test kits, allowed only 1 gene segment as significant for a positive result and allowed cT-values to get as high as 45. That resulted in huge numbers of positive tests. And - you have a far higher number of false-positives and people who aren’t infectious because you also find dead virus particles already killed by your immune system. As a consequence, you cannot see the forest anymore, because it is hidden by too many trees 555 Contact tracing and subsequent quarantine was in Thailand far more effective, because they could concentrate on the really dangerous cases. ... just my 10 pence ... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake72 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Minimal testing and perhaps the warmer climate helps. I don't think the masks, lockdowns and social distancing is having much effect other than a false sense of safety. If you've been in Thailand since the outbreak started, have you had a cold during this time? I know I have, several actually, so if I can get a cold, then I can just as easily get covid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphus Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Thailand is only delaying the inevitable and will become a country like Australia and New Zealand that gets the virus late. However, most countries health systems know how to treat the virus pretty well. So if the health systems learn, they will deal with the virus like most European countries and mitigate deaths. As ventilAtors just give a guaranteed death sentence. Pressure bubbles help more and better. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefaultName Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said: Why skeptical? No reports of the virus in the community, no hospitals overflowing. I don't get it. Thailand admits to under reporting. Just like most other nations. So why are you skeptical? Just on principal really. Never trust The Man. ???? Edited December 17, 2020 by DefaultName Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulikens Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 9 hours ago, Jeffr2 said: Every country, even ones who test, are under reporting CV19 numbers. If the virus was raging here, you'd know it. Hospitals would be full, temporary morgues would be setup, etc. P.S. That's not happening. So it's got nothing to do with testing. And nothing to do with under reporting. Try again. doesn't mean the numbers aren't manipulated just cuz the hospitals aren't full. if they had 50000 cases in a country of 70 mill over nearly a year, that wouldn't lead to hospitals being full. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, Jake72 said: Minimal testing and perhaps the warmer climate helps. I don't think the masks, lockdowns and social distancing is having much effect other than a false sense of safety. If you've been in Thailand since the outbreak started, have you had a cold during this time? I know I have, several actually, so if I can get a cold, then I can just as easily get covid. Luckily, science doesn't agree with you. Mask, targeted lockdowns, and social distancing works. Please, don't confuse the flu with CV19. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Just now, paulikens said: doesn't mean the numbers aren't manipulated just cuz the hospitals aren't full. if they had 50000 cases in a country of 70 mill over nearly a year, that wouldn't lead to hospitals being full. Too funny. You must not know much about Thai hospitals. Provencial ones are almost always full. Something like this would overwhelm the health care system here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake72 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 30 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said: Luckily, science doesn't agree with you. Mask, targeted lockdowns, and social distancing works. Please, don't confuse the flu with CV19. Show me the science. I haven't seen any peer reviewed published studies confirming that masks, lockdowns and social distancing make any difference. And please explain the difference in a flu virus/cold spreading and the covid virus spreading. Surely if you are not protected from the common cold, then you are also not protected from the covid virus. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 12 hours ago, lujanit said: Don't test the wider population, can't report positives. No autopsies performed on the elderly who die, can't report positives. Report people who die from respiratory illness as having died from viral pneumonia. While it might seem as Thailand has done a good job of managing covid the figures which are reported are grossly understated (same as deaths on roads, only report people who are dead at the scene). This is a function of all authoritarian 'governments'. Of course you can substantiate these claims, can't you? A bit like the comment about only those dead at the scene are counted, yes initially that's true, but the end count for statistic includes the deaths after the event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapamita Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 5 hours ago, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said: It is indeed interesting to compare between buddhist countries and christian countries in dealing with this virus.i i think cant say religious hv some to do with it whats about race and ethnik white get blacks get hispanics get missing out ethnik chinese,.nowhere here about,,. yes sure the virus origin is the market,for political correctness 555 for those belive but i have a question specially to US citizen!!! i searching long time a sratistik about covid cases in USA or even only NY where can see how many of each ethnik (white black chin hispanics) get covid in percentage of ethnik or only the number without comparsion i know this data is aviable but where?? in case number is more or less equal it would help china get out of speculation that somthing is wrong with the virus. but if number not equal the goverment would not release them..bcs very useable data for us for further negotiation with china behind closed doors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Saucage Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) Thailands low Covid numbers are based on luck, lies and low numbers of testing. The lucky part is related to its climate, the social behaviour and a possible genetic predisposition of the people, as published in Nature some weeks ago. The main point is the climate, though, in combination with the density of the population. In Europe the pandemic was well under control during summer time, while the cases are exploding now during winter. This is a clear proof of the impact of the climate, and Thailand luckily doesn't have this ugly cold and wet weather of the winter on the Northern hemisphere. It is exactly this cold an wet climate which enhances the lifetime of the virus-containing aerosoles in the air, which stay infectious for a far longer time then in hot weather. To those who interpose that also India and the Philippines are affected severely by Covid despite having a hot climate as well: The density of the population especially in the slums there is higher, meaning that even a shorter resting time of the aerosoles in the air is enough to infect bigger numbers of people. Especially under the conditions of a lockdown when people are forced to stay indoors with many others. Edited December 17, 2020 by Flying Saucage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiparovian Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 11 hours ago, Jeffr2 said: Every country, even ones who test, are under reporting CV19 numbers. If the virus was raging here, you'd know it. Hospitals would be full, temporary morgues would be setup, etc. P.S. That's not happening. So it's got nothing to do with testing. And nothing to do with under reporting. Try again. Correct. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRJOHNNY Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 9 hours ago, StevieAus said: Being an expert on the control of infectious diseases, perhaps you could enlighten us all on how you would effectively test around fifty million people ? Also which other countries have carried out such a program and what it has achieved. Even in the UK where they have been testing hospital staff on a weekly basis some who tested negative subsequently contracted Covid. You should be thankful that Thailand has had such a low number of infections, I certainly am. Think you will find the U.K. have tested well over half of the population already, approx. 40 million plus tests completed to date, so the possibility of doing the same in Thailand whose population is about 3 million more than the U.K. is not beyond reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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