When Is A Honda Accord Not An Accord...

[Pattaya Spotter]

13 minutes ago, tweedledee2 said:

   "Pimped Out" to me suggests fake sheepskin seat covers, a pair of fuzzy dice hanging from the rearview mirror, curb feelers, bumper static straps and a set of 26 inch rims with the lowest profile "pothole finding" tires available. 

     Please enlighten me to what "pimped out" extras are on a Thai Accord Hybrid Tech.

It has to be pink too ????????????

 

"Pimped out" is a English slang term for something that has all the optional features available for the item in question (car, house, pizza, whatever). It's "fully loaded." The full equipment specs for all thai Accord models can be found here:

 

https://www.honda.co.th/accord

 

[Yellowtail]

46 minutes ago, maxcorrigan said:

A few hours travelling with a heated seat here in Thailand you would feel like you were sitting on a hot meat pie (sarc.)

 

 

High end OEM seats are now "ventilated" so they heat and cool depending, although fume extraction is still a ways out...

 

Incidentally, Honda (or most any car company) buys their seats, they do not make them. 

[FarFlungFalang]

When Is A Honda Accord Not An Accord...

When the Accord is owned by Ian then it's an Accordian!As in "Where's your Accord Ian?"

Edited January 12, 2021 by FarFlungFalang

[tweedledee2]

On 12/17/2020 at 11:41 PM, Pattaya Spotter said:

A few examples off the top of my head...the top spec Thai Accord, the Hybrid Tech, comes with a 360° surround camera system, front parking sensors, auto high-beam, auto-folding mirrors, rain sensors, remote engine start, spoiler, and a more sophisticated adaptive cruise-control system than the top spec American Accord (2.0T Touring). It also has low speed emergency stop and following, again missing from the American version. These safety and convenience features are found on the TLX. 

   I've already compared your - off the top of my head "top spec" Thai Accord Hybrid Tech and here's what I found:  The top of the line US sold Honda Accord Hybrid Touring 2.0 with MSRP of $36,900 comes standard with all the items you listed as unique to a Hybrid Tech and TLX.  The US model is also equipped with an additional set of airbags.  

[Pattaya Spotter]

4 minutes ago, tweedledee2 said:

   I've already compared your - off the top of my head "top spec" Thai Accord Hybrid Tech and here's what I found:  The top of the line US sold Honda Accord Hybrid Touring 2.0 with MSRP of $36,900 comes standard with all the items you listed as unique to a Hybrid Tech and TLX.  The US model is also equipped with an additional set of airbags.  

Too bad one can't buy it in Thailand...if you want all this Honda tech and safety features it'll cost 1.8M baht.

[mickyr55]

On 1/11/2021 at 5:54 AM, elgenon said:

Cars sold in Thailand don't have air bags? Do any?

My Honda City RS bought 4 months ago has 6 airbags. 

[Thomas J]

On 12/18/2020 at 12:41 PM, Pattaya Spotter said:

The Honda Accord sold in Thailand has always been a bit of an odd duck. People often say it is much more expensive than Accords sold in other markets.

Dont know if some of the features included in the Thai Accord are upgrades from the USA model.  I do know that the full list price of a Honda Accord in the USA is about 830,000 THB versus the lowest price of 1.475 million THB here.  Additionally in the USA you always pay something less than full list price for the car.  While there may be a few upgrades I would suggest that they are not worth the 600,000 THB difference.  

[Pattaya Spotter]

7 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

While there may be a few upgrades I would suggest that they are not worth the 600,000 THB difference. 

Many would agree...but if your want to buy any Accord in Thailand that's the price (sometimes with a 100-150k discount, the year of First Class insurance, zero-percent financing, window tinting, and floor mats thrown in).

Edited January 12, 2021 by Pattaya Spotter

[Thomas J]

4 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

First Class insurance, zero-percent financing, window tinting, and floor mats thrown in).

You must be buying some extra expensive window tinting and floor mats.  Zero percent financing is pretty much the case these days with near zero interest rates.  Bottom line, the lower end cars such as the Toyota Yaris, and Vios are only marginally more expensive than their U.S.A comparable models.  However the upper end including the Camry, and Accord are hugely more expensive.  The same is true of cars like the BMW and Mercedes here in Thailand.  I can only assume that the government imposes huge import taxes on cars not built here.  They also may discriminate in imposing higher taxes on the more expensive models knowing that it is likely not the local Thai's that are buying them.  Don't know but one way or another the Accords, Camry's and BMW's are not worth the price they are charged here in Thailand compared to the USA and Europe. 

[Pattaya Spotter]

45 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Bottom line, the lower end cars such as the Toyota Yaris, and Vios are only marginally more expensive than their U.S.A comparable models.

Don't know if that's really the case...the Honda Civic is a pretty "low end" model in most markets (maybe not Thailand) but a price check of the base model US Civic LX Hatchback has an MSRP of $ 25k...while the price of the "comparable" Thai Civic Hatchback RS is B1,229,000 or $ 41k. And the base LX engine is 174hp turbo, while the RS is only 127hp! (And I pimped-out the alloy wheels on the LX to account for the fancy ones on the RS which upped the price almost $2000). The both have the Honda Sensing safety tech package and in most other respects are the same. (The Thai RS has some fancy body moldings to make it look like a "pocket rocket" but still with only the 127hp engine, which isn't even offered in any US spec Civic.) So the Thai RS is about 60% more expensive than the "better" US LX...hardly "marginally" more expensive.

 

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  However the upper end including the Camry, and Accord are hugely more expensive.  The same is true of cars like the BMW and Mercedes here in Thailand.  I can only assume that the government imposes huge import taxes on cars not built here. 

This is true...high import taxes and more added on taxes if engine is bigger than 1.5 liters displacement (think it's 1.5...or maybe 2.0 liters)

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They also may discriminate in imposing higher taxes on the more expensive models knowing that it is likely not the local Thai's that are buying them.

Not true...the vast majority of Lexus, Porches, Benzes, Lambos, and other luxury cars I see tooling around Bangkok are driven by Thais, which makes sense as there are a lot more wealthy Thais in Thailand than foreigners.

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  Don't know but one way or another the Accords, Camry's and BMW's are not worth the price they are charged here in Thailand compared to the USA and Europe. 

Yes...but if one wants one what is the alternative...moving back to the ???????? or ????????? 

 

 

Edited January 12, 2021 by Pattaya Spotter

[Thomas J]

21 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Not true...the vast majority of Lexus, Porches, Benzes, Lambos, and other luxury cars I see tooling around Bangkok are driven by Thais, which makes sense as there are a lot more wealthy Thais in Thailand than foreigners.

I don't know if that is true.  I have nor do you any way of establishing the percentage ownership of the expensive cars.  Even if it is true, perhaps the government here is either "thinking" that foreigners own most of them or is socialist believing if you can afford the more expensive car, you should pay through the nose.  One way or another, there are things here in Thailand that are less expensive than other parts of the world but upper end model cars are not one of them.  

[transam]

8 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

I don't know if that is true.  I have nor do you any way of establishing the percentage ownership of the expensive cars.  Even if it is true, perhaps the government here is either "thinking" that foreigners own most of them or is socialist believing if you can afford the more expensive car, you should pay through the nose.  One way or another, there are things here in Thailand that are less expensive than other parts of the world but upper end model cars are not one of them.  

Well off Thai's are buying the high-end cars, it is only us from the west that complain about the Thai tax markup, Thai's are used to it, think it's normal.

But, anyone, Thai or farang, if they have the cash will buy what they want, I would too..

Look at the daft price of ladies hi-end handbags, they pay it, just for the logo on it.....????

[Thomas J]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Well off Thai's are buying the high-end cars, it is only us from the west that complain about the Thai tax markup, Thai's are used to it, think it's normal.

You could very well be right.  It could be just a prejudice on the part of the government to "punish" those well off enough to afford the more expensive car.  As mentioned, certain items notably labor here is hugely cheaper than the West.  Taxes here are much much lower.  However the cars but particularly the upper end models are more expensive.  A Toyota Yaris in the USA has a base price of about 521,000 THB but sells in Thailand for 549,000 so virtually the same.  However a Camry in the USA starts at just over 800.000 thb but here in Thailand it is 1.455 million.  So obviously there is a much higher tax being imposed on some models.  

 

[Pattaya Spotter]

26 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

I don't know if that is true.  I have nor do you any way of establishing the percentage ownership of the expensive cars.  Even if it is true, perhaps the government here is either "thinking" that foreigners own most of them or is socialist believing if you can afford the more expensive car, you should pay through the nose.  One way or another, there are things here in Thailand that are less expensive than other parts of the world but upper end model cars are not one of them.  

The second part of your assumption is true...that the government figures if you can afford a luxury imported car in the first place...you can afford to pay a fat tax on it to fund the government too. The first assumption is frankly racist or a relic of a colonial attitude.

[Pattaya Spotter]

14 minutes ago, transam said:

Well off Thai's are buying the high-end cars, it is only us from the west that complain about the Thai tax markup, Thai's are used to it, think it's normal.

But, anyone, Thai or farang, if they have the cash will buy what they want, I would too..

Look at the daft price of ladies hi-end handbags, they pay it, just for the logo on it.....????

Be thankful you're not buying a car in Singapore...where all cars, including a lowely Toyo Vios and Honda Brio, face 100% tax rates.

[elgenon]

No, it' a Honda Accord designed for sale in Thailand. There is nothing special about it. It uses the same Honda Sensing Technology that is used on Honda US vehicles including Acura's. 

   Instead of comparing what you think makes it a great value, research what it doesn't have. You can start with Airbags. 

On 1/10/2021 at 7:58 PM, Yellowtail said:

 

Saying:  "I would bet there is not any model or brand of car sold in Thailand that have comparable safety equipment and specs of the same vehicles built for and sold in the US, Japan and most other countries that have vehicle safety requirements."  is not the same as saying the Accord has no airbags.

 

I'm not saying the statement is true of false, but clearly it is very different from claiming cars in Thailand have no airbags, yes? 

The above is what I took to mean no airbags. Not what you quoted.

To me that last line says no airbags. What else could it mean?

[elgenon]

23 hours ago, mickyr55 said:

My Honda City RS bought 4 months ago has 6 airbags. 

Good!

[Yellowtail]

19 hours ago, elgenon said:

No, it' a Honda Accord designed for sale in Thailand. There is nothing special about it. It uses the same Honda Sensing Technology that is used on Honda US vehicles including Acura's. 

   Instead of comparing what you think makes it a great value, research what it doesn't have. You can start with Airbags. 

The above is what I took to mean no airbags. Not what you quoted.

To me that last line says no airbags. What else could it mean?

 

It could mean exactly what the poster said, but that requires one read the entire post, not cherry-pick a sentence out of context. 

 

I'll admit, it was poorly worded, but the cars generally have (or at least had) significantly fewer airbags than do cars in the US. 

 

 

[liddelljohn]

On 1/10/2021 at 10:54 PM, elgenon said:

Cars sold in Thailand don't have air bags? Do any?

Of course they do   my MUX has 6 my Mazda 2 has 2

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies reported and removed.  The thread is not about taxes.

[elgenon]

14 hours ago, liddelljohn said:

Of course they do   my MUX has 6 my Mazda 2 has 2

The taxis only have them for the front seat passengers? Or for back seat as well?