UK and EU reach Brexit trade deal

[hotandsticky]

24 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Let’s see who’s lost what before we offer commiserations.

 

Ah! Adopting the Trump approach......

 

That won’t work either..????

[luckyluke]

8 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

That is the whole point. Her and the other 4 unelected presidents and the way the EU claim to be a democracy is shameful. 

The system is, we vote for the members of the E.U. parliament.

They vote for the different presidents.

I believe everywhere people vote for representatives, and it stop there.

Only in Switzerland there is a referendum for every important decision, there it is really the people who decide.

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

That's where most of us have a problem with this E.U. thing.

We experience in our daily life the laws and regulations voted by our government, for us Belgians.

We haven't a really view on those E.U. laws.

Never there is an announcement like :

"due to the E.U., every Belgian citizen will now have to pay 1% more taxes"

or

" thanks to the E.U., every Belgian citizen will now receive 1% rebate on his taxes"

 

Maybe you don't notice the tariffs that are applied to many goods from outside the EU? You'd probably notice the 31% import duty you'd have to pay on something like a Harley Davidson if you wished to purchase one. Maybe you don't run a SME that struggles with the protectionist barriers that have been put up to create difficulties dealing with customers and suppliers from outside the single market?

 

In terms of a direct tax on EU citizens, it will be a few more years before the EU has those types of powers so you can look forward to that. The British no longer need to concern themselves with such centralization and federalism.

[CorpusChristie]

39 minutes ago, overherebc said:

It's been agreed that visas will not be needed for UK passport holders to visit the EU, but they will be limited to 90 days in any 180 days or 6 months. 

So is it going to be similar to a few years ago here where the IO has to check all the stamps and add up the days etc or rely on a computer system that will start a green/amber/red flag system on screen. 

Or maybe you will stick your passport in the auto gate and a big flashing sign will light up with

'NO ENTRY, GO BACK HOME'

????????

 

  People with any sense will count the days they have already been in a certain Country and if they have reached the limit, they will not try and go to that Country again .

[Surelynot]

I guess the happiest person in the UK this morning, must be the Queen.........she has got all her sovereignty back.........heavy is the head that wears the crown.

[sandyf]

3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I feel there are difficult times ahead for the EU.

Difficult times ahead for everyone.

I was trading with Europe before the SM and saw first hand how the SM made exporting so much easier for SMEs. They will find it very difficult and costly to go back to the old red tape situation.

The other big unknown is how the theory of the NI protocol will pan out in practice, not going to be easy.

And only the delusional would think there is not going to be a problem with Scotland, difficult times indeed.

This is not an end, only the end of the beginning.

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

I guess the happiest person in the UK this morning, must be the Queen.........she has got all her sovereignty back.........heavy is the head that wears the crown.

You could have finished your little poem off.

 

Heavy the head that wears the crown

The remainers have lost and now they are down.

 

Thank me later.

[overherebc]

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  People with any sense will count the days they have already been in a certain Country and if they have reached the limit, they will not try and go to that Country again .

I'll type slowly.

I was not being serious. 

I cannot take politicians or politics seriously. I subscribe to the Billy Connelly idea. 'Don't vote for them, it only encourages them'

[Surelynot]

8 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

People with any sense

And there in lies the problem......

[CorpusChristie]

4 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Bojo's popularity is certainly on the rise.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/boris-johnson-the-kunts-christmas-no-1-b1777470.html?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=Feed

 

  How embarrassingly  immature , both for the singer and the listeners .

Just some people trying to make a profit by releasing a song and trying to make it a hit with all profits going into their pockets

[andyg75]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I think it's time to lean back and enjoy the show. Let's look how Boris and his supporters will handle the next months and years. I am sure it will be funny to watch from outside how they made their lives worse.

Dream on

[luckyluke]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

Maybe you don't notice the tariffs that are applied to many goods from outside the EU? You'd probably notice the 31% import duty you'd have to pay on something like a Harley Davidson if you wished to purchase one. Maybe you don't run a SME that struggles with the protectionist barriers that have been put up to create difficulties dealing with customers and suppliers from outside the single market?

 

In terms of a direct tax on EU citizens, it will be a few more years before the EU has those types of powers so you can look forward to that. The British no longer need to concern themselves with such centralization and federalism.

I understand that, however it is rare that a man in the street buy a Harley, rare that he runs a S.M.E..

Furthermore I am convinced that the E.U. not only create negative rules, there must be also positive ones for the ones running a SME, or/and for those able to buy a Harley, and for the rest of us.

There may be a day when the E.U. will impose direct taxes.

As per now this must be catalogued as speculations.

Some will pretend it is a copycat of "Project Fears".

[sandyf]

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

So what you are saying and what many of all know the EU is not a democracy. You can't vote them out. Another great reason that the UK has left the EU.

EU officials are elected every 5 years, how long between votes in the UK, 5 years?

"great reason" can hardly be valid logic.

[CorpusChristie]

10 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

I guess the happiest person in the UK this morning, must be the Queen.........she has got all her sovereignty back.........heavy is the head that wears the crown.

 

  Doubt it , she has last the vast subsidies the E.U paid her to not grow crops on her land .

The E.U wanted to keep the price of crops high and paid land owners NOT to produce any crops

[Surelynot]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I think it's time to lean back and enjoy the show. Let's look how Boris and his supporters will handle the next months and years. I am sure it will be funny to watch from outside how they made their lives worse.

Typo.....'our' lives worse.....'they' will never admit to anything getting worse......they are on their way to the sunny uplands remember?

[CorpusChristie]

8 minutes ago, overherebc said:

I'll type slowly.

I was not being serious. 

I cannot take politicians or politics seriously. I subscribe to the Billy Connelly idea. 'Don't vote for them, it only encourages them'

 

  We are trying to have a serious discussion , Anarchist / jokers and people with nothing else to do, should refrain from posting in serious threads , there are some other "messing about " threads that you can participate in 

[Surelynot]

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Doubt it , she has last the vast subsidies the E.U paid her to not grow crops on her land .

The E.U wanted to keep the price of crops high and paid land owners NOT to produce any crops

But one of the key promises Boris made was that all the EU subsidies currently enjoyed would continue but will now be at the UK tax payers expense......is that no longer the case?

[overherebc]

Just to go back to the 90/180 rule.

The vast majority who go to the EU will have a 2/3/4 week holiday once a year so the 90/180 will have no effect on them.

The ones who have a property in say Spain and like to do 6/6 month will be ok if it goes on Jan/Dec timing.

If it is any 6 months then they might look at a visa system for that case.

[Old Dissenter]

The Government said the deal means pensioners who retire to the EU will get an uprating of state pensions.

[vinny41]

2 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Just to go back to the 90/180 rule.

The vast majority who go to the EU will have a 2/3/4 week holiday once a year so the 90/180 will have no effect on them.

The ones who have a property in say Spain and like to do 6/6 month will be ok if it goes on Jan/Dec timing.

If it is any 6 months then they might look at a visa system for that case.

They have the same system in Turkey , now some people will do 3 months Turkey, 3months Uk 3 months Turkey , 3 months UK

If they want to do a 6 month say April through to October they normally apply for a resident permit which is also available in EU countries

[CorpusChristie]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I think it's time to lean back and enjoy the show. Let's look how Boris and his supporters will handle the next months and years. I am sure it will be funny to watch from outside how they made their lives worse.

 

  Due to the fallout from Covid , and the need to balance the books , UK, like the rest of the World will be in for a difficult few years

[Surelynot]

2 minutes ago, Old Dissenter said:

The Government said the deal means pensioners who retire to the EU will get an uprating of state pensions.

They already do..so no change?

[evadgib]

4 hours ago, vogie said:

The biggest thanks must go to Nigel Farage for without him tirelessly working for forty years to get us out of the EU none of this might not have happened, not forgetting the likes of Lord Frost and of course the inimitable Boris himself. 

As one source said 'Soubry, Gina Millar, Tony Blair and Alistair Campbell, "your boys took one hell of a beating tonight"

And to quote George Gallaway "Key aspect for me is that we get an opt-out of the Eurovision Song Contest," another corrupt organisation.

Merry Christmas everybody. Ho Ho Ho.

Sir Nigel in the New Years Honours list...? 

 

 

 

(& before the 'Rhubarb'ers pounce I of course realise it doesn't happen that quickly and that he might not accept even if it did. Merry Christmas all! ????)

 

[sandyf]

44 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

That is the whole point. Her and the other 4 unelected presidents and the way the EU claim to be a democracy is shameful. 

 

I must have missed the part where the UK public were given a vote on party leaders.

 

All EU commissioners are ratified by the EU parliament that has been put in place by a public vote, just like the UK cabinet except that cabinet ministers are a unilateral selection.

it is a warped mind that would think that jobs for the boys is more democratic.

[CorpusChristie]

2 hours ago, Hi from France said:

Although we did reach a climax, there are still many deals to be made in the coming months/years, we just mentioned the criminal/terrorist database the UK just lost access to (but not before hacking the entire base, not very gentlemanly)

 

 

   Could you provide some evidence to that ?

Or was you referring to the E.U in Brussels being the criminals the UK has lost access to ?

[sandyf]

19 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  How embarrassingly  immature , both for the singer and the listeners .

Just some people trying to make a profit by releasing a song and trying to make it a hit with all profits going into their pockets

You avoided the question of popularity.

[CorpusChristie]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You clearly have no idea what Erasmus is.

 

 

 

  Is that French for Christmas ?

If so, Merry Erasmus to you .

[Surelynot]

8 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

They have the same system in Turkey , now some people will do 3 months Turkey, 3months Uk 3 months Turkey , 3 months UK

If they want to do a 6 month say April through to October they normally apply for a resident permit which is also available in EU countries

It is by no means as easy as it sounds applying for a resident permit.....the bureaucracy is a nightmare, fines abound if you don't know the intricate little laws and declarations that have to be made ......this is going to be another nice little earner for the lawyers.

Edited December 25, 2020 by Surelynot

[simple1]

5 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

The UK are free from the EU. <SNIP>

Not so, there will be continuing negotiation over trade, security and so on. No government is 'free' to do what it desires - always consequences e.g.

 

After the transition ends, the UK will have the right to withdraw EU boats' access to UK waters.

But Mrs von der Leyen said the EU will have "strong tools to incentivise" continued access for the EU fleet to UK waters. This might involve using tariffs (or taxes on UK goods entering the EU).

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/46401558

[Surelynot]

3 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Sir Nigel in the New Years Honours list...? 

Not a snowball's