England goes into new lockdown as COVID-19 variant rampages

[Kadilo]

Just now, Natai Beach said:

 Horse has bolted. It has already spread to many countries.
 

But good that it won’t be exported anymore. 

Yeah it all originated from the UK ????

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Kadilo said:

You miss the point. You can’t suddenly tell everyone they are on lockdown and things are gonna get worse when in reality nothing’s changed or can change because those who want to ignore will continue to do so as it’s unmanageable and if they want a get out of taking “personal responsibility “ they are there in abundance. I’ve just been out for my “exercise” and can confirm nothings changed. Same shops open, public transport as regular as yesterday, only difference is  more children out and about as no school 

 

Its pointless saying it’s a legal requirement as it’s unenforceable, just a load  of woolly  words and idle unenforceable threats. 

 

 

You're right; I don't understand the point that you are trying to make. Are you suggesting that most Brits have no sense of personal responsibility, and that the government can't influence these individual's behaviour either by persuasion or enforcement so, therefore, the government should do nothing?

 

I left the UK in early December, so I don't know what the current situation is like on the ground. However, family and friends paint a fairer grim picture, and much of the reporting suggests that many hospitals are as  - if not more - concerned about the current situation compared to last March: Irrespective of whether a lockdown is the best strategy, the government has to try to actively manage this crisis. They would be failing in their basic responsibility to the UK public if they did not.

[sandyf]

11 hours ago, Kadilo said:

You miss the point. You can’t suddenly tell everyone they are on lockdown and things are gonna get worse when in reality nothing’s changed or can change because those who want to ignore will continue to do so as it’s unmanageable and if they want a get out of taking “personal responsibility “ they are there in abundance. I’ve just been out for my “exercise” and can confirm nothings changed. Same shops open, public transport as regular as yesterday, only difference is  more children out and about as no school 

 

Its pointless saying it’s a legal requirement as it’s unenforceable, just a load  of woolly  words and idle unenforceable threats. 

 

 

Garbage, only those with their head in the sand would say nothing has changed.

The irony is that those that complain about the restrictions and refuse to accept responsibility will extend the restrictions that they complain about. Unfortunately everyone else has to suffer from the selfishness.

[2530Ubon]

10 hours ago, RayC said:

You're right; I don't understand the point that you are trying to make. Are you suggesting that most Brits have no sense of personal responsibility, and that the government can't influence these individual's behaviour either by persuasion or enforcement so, therefore, the government should do nothing?

 

I left the UK in early December, so I don't know what the current situation is like on the ground. However, family and friends paint a fairer grim picture, and much of the reporting suggests that many hospitals are as  - if not more - concerned about the current situation compared to last March: Irrespective of whether a lockdown is the best strategy, the government has to try to actively manage this crisis. They would be failing in their basic responsibility to the UK public if they did not.

 

Sadly, the first part of your post answers the second part. Yes, the UK (I too am British) has shown a huge lack of personal responsibility. The government has all but held up it's hands and said meh, what can we do. Just yesterday Michael Gove was on the news talking to reporters about going outside to exercise. Eventually he led us down a long winding road that culminated in him saying that we could go outside, exercise with someone else NOT from our home, and if we wanted to sit down together and rest for a bit, we could do so. Try to keep 2 meters apart.

 

So what can the police / army do when they see people walking around / sitting around together from different households? Nothing. The government has too many excuses up it's sleeve to help people break the rules yet make it look like they're inncocently outside exercising or having a quick respite from excersize and a chat.

 

The UK government has completely failed in it's basic responsibility to the UK public. No other country has had to lockdown 3 times. Pussyfooting around with the rules, non enforcement of mask wearing and temp checks prior to entering stores. Our citizens have been leaving the country during lockdown to go on holiday. No social responsibility at all. The UK has become a joke and our leader is none other than BoJo the clown.

Edited January 6, 2021 by 2530Ubon

[Kadilo]

10 minutes ago, 2530Ubon said:

 

Sadly, the first part of your post answers the second part. Yes, the UK (I too am British) has shown a huge lack of personal responsibility. The government has all but held up it's hands and said meh, what can we do. Just yesterday Michael Gove was on the news talking to reporters about going outside to exercise. Eventually he led us down a long winding road that culminated in him saying that we could go outside, exercise with someone else NOT from our home, and if we wanted to sit down together and rest for a bit, we could do so. Try to keep 2 meters apart.

 

So what can the police / army do when they see people walking around / sitting around together from different households? Nothing. The government has too many excuses up it's sleeve to help people break the rules yet make it look like they're inncocently outside exercising or having a quick respite from excersize and a chat.

 

The UK government has completely failed in it's basic responsibility to the UK public. No other country has had to lockdown 3 times. Pussyfooting around with the rules, non enforcement of mask wearing and temp checks prior to entering stores. Our citizens have been leaving the country during lockdown to go on holiday. No social responsibility at all. The UK has become a joke and our leader is none other than BoJo the clown.

They were always going to struggle to convince the public to follow their guidelines when the two main players both contracted the virus from not following basic guidelines that other countries had introduced and they backed their pals who were caught flouting the rules. 

 

Not exactly the best examples  of leading by example and taking personal ownership. 

 

 

Edited January 6, 2021 by Kadilo

[RayC]

30 minutes ago, 2530Ubon said:

 

Sadly, the first part of your post answers the second part. Yes, the UK (I too am British) has shown a huge lack of personal responsibility. The government has all but held up it's hands and said meh, what can we do. Just yesterday Michael Gove was on the news talking to reporters about going outside to exercise. Eventually he led us down a long winding road that culminated in him saying that we could go outside, exercise with someone else NOT from our home, and if we wanted to sit down together and rest for a bit, we could do so. Try to keep 2 meters apart.

 

So what can the police / army do when they see people walking around / sitting around together from different households? Nothing. The government has too many excuses up it's sleeve to help people break the rules yet make it look like they're inncocently outside exercising or having a quick respite from excersize and a chat.

 

The UK government has completely failed in it's basic responsibility to the UK public. No other country has had to lockdown 3 times. Pussyfooting around with the rules, non enforcement of mask wearing and temp checks prior to entering stores. Our citizens have been leaving the country during lockdown to go on holiday. No social responsibility at all. The UK has become a joke and our leader is none other than BoJo the clown.

 

20 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

They were always going to struggle to convince the public to follow their guidelines when the two main players both contracted the virus from not following basic guidelines that other countries had introduced and they backed their pals who were caught flouting the rules. 

 

Not exactly the best examples  of leading by example and taking personal ownership. 

 

 

 

I agree with a large part of your posts. I don't think that the UK government has made a good job of managing the Covid crisis.  However, whether the government has managed the crisis badly to date is immaterial; it is not the point in question.

 

I replied to a poster who stated that he had no intention of adhering to the UK lockdown restrictions. I questioned why he - or anyone else for that matter - feels that they can flout the rules?

 

Unless one believes that the government is acting illegally or maliciously - and they are not - then individuals do not have license to pick and choose what regulations they obey.

 

Regarding the lockdown strategy itself: If the objectives are to reduce the rate of infection and to relieve the pressure on the NHS, then lockdowns are effective (assuming individuals comply with the instructions). This is not opinion, but empirical fact as demonstrated by lockdowns throughout the world. Whether the benefits of stopping the spread of Covid in this way outweigh the costs e.g. economic, negative effects on mental health, etc is a totally different question and is less clear.

[Kadilo]

15 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

 

I replied to a poster who stated that he had no intention of adhering to the UK lockdown restrictions. I questioned why he - or anyone else for that matter - feels that they can flout the rules?

 

Unless one believes that the government is acting illegally or maliciously - and they are not - then individuals do not have license to pick and choose what regulations they obey.

 

I disagree. 

 

Only individuals  know the personal impact another lockdown is having  on them. 

 

If they feel the impact of the lockdown is such that it is having a serious detrimental effect on them in terms of physical and mental health then they have every right to interpret  the rules as they see fit to protect themselves imo. Everyone has the right to carry out a personal risk assessment and make their own judgement 

 

Obviously if you are the type of person that thinks they should “obey” every guideline imposed, when they and their mates couldn’t even follow them and some basic rules themselves, then you will disagree with me. 

Edited January 6, 2021 by Kadilo

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, 2530Ubon said:

The UK government has completely failed in it's basic responsibility to the UK public.

Not so according to my family it's the public themselves that have failed.

[stevenl]

35 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Not so according to my family it's the public themselves that have failed.

See the post above yours.

[2530Ubon]

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

Not so according to my family it's the public themselves that have failed.

 

The public were great during the first lockdown. Numbers came crashing down. Then the government kept making stupid choices. Let's let everyone go on holiday to COVID infected Europe, and let them come here too. Never mind that covid cases were in their thousands still, as long as some Brits got some r&r on the sunny beaches of Spain. Let's act as if we've won - NO! Shut the country down from outside tourism and only allow bubbles with countries who have covid in the low double digits - not thousands. Don't let people leave to these infected countries at all. People in the UK could then have moved around a little more freely. People were rushing back from infected countries to avoid an arbitrary quarantine time. For example - Folks were in Spain on holiday and the Goverment announced that anyone arriving back from Spain would have to quarantine themselves - but you had 2 days to come home now. If you could get home before those two days were up, you didn't have to quarantine. They were likely already infected, but hey, so long as you don't have to quarantine after your ill thought out holiday plan. They were simply following the rules - or lack thereof.

 

His own Special Advisor Mr Dominic Cummings broke the rules and Boris stood by his man. Refused to say he had done anything wrong, despite travelling across the country - during lockdown-  whilst him and his family were infected with covid.

 

If simpler rules were enforced, people may have taken them seriously - but as you can see there were (and are - thanks Gove, you pillock) so many ways to break the rules but look like you weren't. With leadership idiots like this in charge confusing the hell out of everyone, and Jacob Rees Mogg sleepily purring away on the front Bench of the Commons, why on earth would the British people give up more of their freedom? They quite rightly saw the shoddy state of things and how Bojo was clowning away in number 10 and said stuff this. The UK needs real leadership, and it needs it now. Not some pandering, fillibustering, philandering Yank who doesn't know his ar-e hole isn't his elbow.

Edited January 6, 2021 by 2530Ubon

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Kadilo said:

I disagree. 

With what exactly? That lockdowns are effective in stopping the spread of Covid? That individuals shouldn't comply with laws? Something else?

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Only individuals  know the personal impact another lockdown is having  on them. 

 

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If they feel the impact of the lockdown is such that it is having a serious detrimental effect on them in terms of physical and mental health then they have every right to interpret  the rules as they see fit to protect themselves imo. Everyone has the right to carry out a personal risk assessment and make their own judgement 

 

Indeed, individuals are most often, not always,  best placed to know the state of their mental health and they should be helped in managing it. So far as the lockdown is concerned, those individuals who suffer from certain mental disorders e.g. claustrophobia obviously need to be treated sympathetic, and differently from others, and in some cases made exempt from the rules. However, the regulations are not aimed at such people: They are aimed at people who are able to cope, but instead put their own preferences before others. You appear to be giving such people carte blanche to do this.

 

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Obviously if you are the type of person that thinks they should “obey” every guideline imposed, when they and their mates couldn’t even follow them and some basic rules themselves, then you will disagree with me. 

 

I'm not suggesting that every rule should be followed without question. There are many people who question whether the costs outweigh the benefits of a lockdown. Fine, let them do so; I think most people have some reservations. However, it is intuitively obvious that the more people congregate together, the more the virus spreads, so a lockdown is one way of stopping the spread. Are you denying that? If not, then what reason - other than a fairly severe demonstrable effect on an individual's mental health - can there be for not following the rules? I'm different, I'm an individual and rules don't apply to me doesn't cut it for me.

 

If individuals just follow the laws that they fancy, when they fancy it we end up with anarchy. Perhaps, you think that is the best political system?  Once again, that is another question for another thread.

 

Incidentally, what is this meant to mean?

"...when they and their mates couldn’t even follow them and some basic rules themselves..."

Edited January 6, 2021 by RayC
Corrected spelling which changed context

[Kwasaki]

2 hours ago, 2530Ubon said:

 

The public were great during the first lockdown. Numbers came crashing down. Then the government kept making stupid choices. Let's let everyone go on holiday to COVID infected Europe, and let them come here too. Never mind that covid cases were in their thousands still, as long as some Brits got some r&r on the sunny beaches of Spain. Let's act as if we've won - NO! Shut the country down from outside tourism and only allow bubbles with countries who have covid in the low double digits - not thousands. Don't let people leave to these infected countries at all. People in the UK could then have moved around a little more freely. People were rushing back from infected countries to avoid an arbitrary quarantine time. For example - Folks were in Spain on holiday and the Goverment announced that anyone arriving back from Spain would have to quarantine themselves - but you had 2 days to come home now. If you could get home before those two days were up, you didn't have to quarantine. They were likely already infected, but hey, so long as you don't have to quarantine after your ill thought out holiday plan. They were simply following the rules - or lack thereof.

 

His own Special Advisor Mr Dominic Cummings broke the rules and Boris stood by his man. Refused to say he had done anything wrong, despite travelling across the country - during lockdown-  whilst him and his family were infected with covid.

 

If simpler rules were enforced, people may have taken them seriously - but as you can see there were (and are - thanks Gove, you pillock) so many ways to break the rules but look like you weren't. With leadership idiots like this in charge confusing the hell out of everyone, and Jacob Rees Mogg sleepily purring away on the front Bench of the Commons, why on earth would the British people give up more of their freedom? They quite rightly saw the shoddy state of things and how Bojo was clowning away in number 10 and said stuff this. The UK needs real leadership, and it needs it now. Not some pandering, fillibustering, philandering Yank who doesn't know his ar-e hole isn't his elbow.

I still blame the public it's not a hard decision to take extra care, if the govt said your can jump of a bridge,  so to speak.  

[Kwasaki]

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

See the post above yours.

That's kind of thought or behavior during a pandemic is irresponsible.

[Kadilo]

 

2 hours ago, RayC said:

 

 

Incidentally, what is this meant to mean?

"...when they and their mates couldn’t even follow them and some basic rules themselves..."

We had a PM and Health Minister going around not socially distancing, shaking hands, telling the public face coverings weren’t necessary and then surprise surprise they both caught it. 

 

Then BJ best mate Cummings gets caught breaking the rules and gets the full backing of the PM and has to make a cringeworthy statement and makes himself a laughing stock trying to convince the public he had to go out and test his eyes. 

 

It promoted a “one rule for us........” from the off so it’s not surprising no one took them serious and many still don’t. 

 

 

[stevenl]

6 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

 

We had a PM and Health Minister going around not socially distancing, shaking hands, telling the public face coverings weren’t necessary and then surprise surprise they both caught it. 

 

Then BJ best mate Cummings gets caught breaking the rules and gets the full backing of the PM and has to make a cringeworthy statement and makes himself a laughing stock trying to convince the public he had to go out and test his eyes. 

 

It promoted a “one rule for us........” from the off so it’s not surprising no one took them serious and many still don’t. 

 

 

And that justifies what exactly?

[Kadilo]

2 hours ago, RayC said:

 

 

 

Indeed, individuals are most often, not always,  best placed to know the state of their mental health and they should be helped in managing it. So far as the lockdown is concerned, those individuals who suffer from certain mental disorders e.g. claustrophobia obviously need to be treated sympathetic, and differently from others, and in some cases made exempt from the rules. However, the regulations are not aimed at such people: They are aimed at people who are able to cope, but instead put their own preferences before others. You appear to be giving such people carte blanche to do this.

 

 

I’m not giving anyone carte blanche to do anything as I am not making up the rules or trying to enforce them. Nor am I trying to pigeon hole people or call them irresponsible for talking personal responsibility for their own circumstances. 

 

 

Edited January 6, 2021 by Kadilo

[johnnybangkok]

4 hours ago, Kadilo said:

I disagree. 

 

Only individuals  know the personal impact another lockdown is having  on them. 

 

If they feel the impact of the lockdown is such that it is having a serious detrimental effect on them in terms of physical and mental health then they have every right to interpret  the rules as they see fit to protect themselves imo. Everyone has the right to carry out a personal risk assessment and make their own judgement 

 

Obviously if you are the type of person that thinks they should “obey” every guideline imposed, when they and their mates couldn’t even follow them and some basic rules themselves, then you will disagree with me. 

This 'personal' interpretation of the rules is what is causing all the problems in the UK. From the younger generation thinking they have nothing to worry about and gathering for large raves to those that think masks aren't needed, the lack of empathy for their fellow countrymen is astounding.

I closed down my office yesterday and have all staff working from home....again! I wasn't ordered to do this but with the Covid situation in Thailand looking particularly ominous, I felt it was the right thing to do. It will undoubtedly cost me money and I may again have to lay some people off (have laid off 17 so far) but knowing that currently the only way to stem the flow of infection is for self-isolation, then it's a no-brainer that more hurt now will prevent even more hurt later. People have to understand that you have to put personal needs aside and work for the common good until the vacine is widely available and we can get back to some sense of normality. This really shouldn't be that hard to understand. 

[2530Ubon]

53 minutes ago, stevenl said:

And that justifies what exactly?

 

It doesn't justify anything. That being said, there are a lot of folks here blaming the British People - I think most of us are pointing out that the British people did really well throughout the first lockdown. Then we read stuff about Cummings getting away with galavanting across the country with a COVID infected family during lockdown, and taking a day trip to a castle - with COVID. Why should they sacrifice their freedom and liberties if the conservative chums can not just get away with it, but be endorsed and supported by none other than the Prime Minister Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson.

 

So many rules that are not easy to digest - and then the ministers themselves give the people reasons to socialise with other folks not in their household - Just look at Gove's speech yesterday - he endorsed exercising with your chums, but do try to keep 2 meters apart. Of course you can stop for a chat whilst your out and sit down. How exactly are people to police themselves, or the police crack down on infringers with rules like these? Wear a mask here, but not there and not under these circumstances. Of course you can leave the country to another COVID ravished country - and come back again with NO controls whatsoever. Idiots. The whole lot of them.

Edited January 6, 2021 by 2530Ubon

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, 2530Ubon said:

 

It doesn't justify anything. That being said, there are a lot of folks here blaming the British People - I think most of us are pointing out that the British people did really well throughout the first lockdown. Then we read stuff about Cummings getting away with galavanting across the country with a COVID infected family during lockdown, and taking a day trip to a castle - with COVID. Why should they sacrifice their freedom and liberties if the conservative chum bums can not just get away with it, but be endorsed and supported by none other than the Prime Minister Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson.

 

So many rules that are not easy to digest - and then the ministers themselves give the people reasons to socialise with other folks not in their household - Just look at Gove's speech yesterday - he endorsed exercising with your chums, but do try to keep 2 meters apart. Of course you can stop for a chat whilst your out and sit down. How exactly are people to police themselves, or the police crack down on infringers with rules like these? Wear a mask here, but not there and not under these circumstances. Of course you can leave the country to another COVID ravished country - and come back again with NO controls whatsoever. Idiots. The whole lot of them.

Yes, it is not easy. 

But not being able to police doesn't absolve the people from their responsibility. And yes, there have been some bad examples, not just in the UK but everywhere, and that doesn't make it easier. All we can do is call them out, while we stick to the rules.

[Kadilo]

6 minutes ago, 2530Ubon said:

 

It doesn't justify anything. That being said, there are a lot of folks here blaming the British People - I think most of us are pointing out that the British people did really well throughout the first lockdown. Then we read stuff about Cummings getting away with galavanting across the country with a COVID infected family during lockdown, and taking a day trip to a castle - with COVID. Why should they sacrifice their freedom and liberties if the conservative chum bums can not just get away with it, but be endorsed and supported by none other than the Prime Minister Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson.

 

So many rules that are not easy to digest - and then the ministers themselves give the people reasons to socialise with other folks not in their household - Just look at Gove's speech yesterday - he endorsed exercising with your chums, but do try to keep 2 meters apart. Of course you can stop for a chat whilst your out and sit down. How exactly are people to police themselves, or the police crack down on infringers with rules like these? Wear a mask here, but not there and not under these circumstances. Of course you can leave the country to another COVID ravished country - and come back again with NO controls whatsoever. Idiots. The whole lot of them.

Just read this. “Soon” ???? 

.....and people ask why they  should be got rid of. Total incompetence. 

 

 

Coronavirus: Arrivals in UK could soon need negative test https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55551310

 

 

[vinny41]

8 minutes ago, 2530Ubon said:

 

It doesn't justify anything. That being said, there are a lot of folks here blaming the British People - I think most of us are pointing out that the British people did really well throughout the first lockdown. Then we read stuff about Cummings getting away with galavanting across the country with a COVID infected family during lockdown, and taking a day trip to a castle - with COVID. Why should they sacrifice their freedom and liberties if the conservative chum bums can not just get away with it, but be endorsed and supported by none other than the Prime Minister Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson.

 

So many rules that are not easy to digest - and then the ministers themselves give the people reasons to socialise with other folks not in their household - Just look at Gove's speech yesterday - he endorsed exercising with your chums, but do try to keep 2 meters apart. Of course you can stop for a chat whilst your out and sit down. How exactly are people to police themselves, or the police crack down on infringers with rules like these? Wear a mask here, but not there and not under these circumstances. Of course you can leave the country to another COVID ravished country - and come back again with NO controls whatsoever. Idiots. The whole lot of them.

 he had  coronavirus symptoms , what you have posted is incorrect  that he and his family were infected with covid

https://www.bbc.com/news/52828076

 

In Thailand can people tell the difference when they get ill between Covid symptoms and  Dengue fever , unless the person is tested they wouldn't know some symptoms are the same and there are some differences between the two

[Upnotover]

9 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

 he had  coronavirus symptoms , what you have posted is incorrect  that he and his family were infected with covid

https://www.bbc.com/news/52828076

 

He did give us a right good laugh though;

[2530Ubon]

19 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

 he had  coronavirus symptoms , what you have posted is incorrect  that he and his family were infected with covid

https://www.bbc.com/news/52828076

 

In Thailand can people tell the difference when they get ill between Covid symptoms and  Dengue fever , unless the person is tested they wouldn't know some symptoms are the same and there are some differences between the two

He obviously had COVID. Here is the timeline:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/22/dominic-cummings-coronavirus-and-lockdown-a-timeline

 

23 March

Tough lockdown rules are imposed in the UK banning all but essential travel. The police are given powers to impose fines on anyone flouting the rules.

27 March

Downing Street announces that Boris Johnson and the health secretary, Matt Hancock, have tested positive for coronavirus

Weekend of 28 and 29 March

Cummings develops symptoms “over the weekend”

28 March – 6 April

Writing about her husband’s condition, Wakefield said: “Dom couldn’t get out of bed. Day in, day out for 10 days he lay doggo with a high fever and spasms.”

5 April

A witness says they have seen Cummings at the grounds of his parents’ home near Durham with a young child, believed to be his son, at 5.45pm. At about 7.30pm Boris Johnson is admitted to St Thomas’ hospital after his condition worsens.

 

His chum Boris had COVID at the same time. So what do you think is more likely? That 2 people working closely together both caught COVID, or that Cummings is immune to his covid ravished work place and friends and simply caught a cold. It certainly worried him enough to drive across the country and see his parents one last time....

[vinny41]

11 minutes ago, 2530Ubon said:

He obviously had COVID. Here is the timeline:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/22/dominic-cummings-coronavirus-and-lockdown-a-timeline

 

23 March

Tough lockdown rules are imposed in the UK banning all but essential travel. The police are given powers to impose fines on anyone flouting the rules.

27 March

Downing Street announces that Boris Johnson and the health secretary, Matt Hancock, have tested positive for coronavirus

Weekend of 28 and 29 March

Cummings develops symptoms “over the weekend”

28 March – 6 April

Writing about her husband’s condition, Wakefield said: “Dom couldn’t get out of bed. Day in, day out for 10 days he lay doggo with a high fever and spasms.”

5 April

A witness says they have seen Cummings at the grounds of his parents’ home near Durham with a young child, believed to be his son, at 5.45pm. At about 7.30pm Boris Johnson is admitted to St Thomas’ hospital after his condition worsens.

 

His chum Boris had COVID at the same time. So what do you think is more likely? That 2 people working closely together both caught COVID, or that Cummings is immune to his covid ravished work place and friends and simply caught a cold. It certainly worried him enough to drive across the country and see his parents one last time....

Wow your a doctor now you can state that someone has Covid without seeing them or testing them your skills are required all other the world

[2530Ubon]

12 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Wow your a doctor now you can state that someone has Covid without seeing them or testing them your skills are required all other the world

Actually, I am a doctor. I'm a Diagnostic Radiologist.

That being said, I obviously can't diagnose someone without an X-ray/MRI/CT/Fluroscopy Image in front of me. I can however look at the obvious evidence and make an educated guess.

 

You should be able to do to make an educated guess too - or are you so biased that you can't see what's right in front of you?

Edited January 6, 2021 by 2530Ubon

[vinny41]

4 minutes ago, 2530Ubon said:

Actually, I am a doctor. I'm a Diagnostic Radiologist

Yes but you are special as you can tell if someone has Covid without seeing them or testing them

Your radiologist is a medical doctor who specializes in diagnosing and treating disease and injury, using medical imaging techniques such as x-rays, computed tomography (CT), magnetic resonance imaging (MRI), nuclear medicine, positron emission tomography (PET), fusion imaging, and ultrasound.

https://www.radiologyinfo.org/en/info.cfm?pg=article-your-radiologist#:~:text=Your radiologist is a medical,%2C fusion imaging%2C and ultrasound.

[2530Ubon]

5 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Yes but you are special as you can tell if someone has Covid without seeing them or testing them

Your radiologist is a medical doctor who specializes in diagnosing and treating disease and injury, using medical imaging techniques such as x-rays, computed tomography (CT), magnetic resonance imaging (MRI), nuclear medicine, positron emission tomography (PET), fusion imaging, and ultrasound.

https://www.radiologyinfo.org/en/info.cfm?pg=article-your-radiologist#:~:text=Your radiologist is a medical,%2C fusion imaging%2C and ultrasound.

Quite right - as I said. Your bias is ignoring the evidence.

[vinny41]

15 minutes ago, 2530Ubon said:

Actually, I am a doctor. I'm a Diagnostic Radiologist.

That being said, I obviously can't diagnose someone without an X-ray/MRI/CT/Fluroscopy Image in front of me. I can however look at the obvious evidence and make an educated guess.

 

You should be able to do to make an educated guess too - or are you so biased that you can't see what's right in front of you?

I think you have shown everyone that you are biased with your reference to Boris and his bum chums

[2530Ubon]

Just now, vinny41 said:

I think you have shown everyone that you are biased with your reference to Boris and his bum chums

Oh, I am completely biased - I think they've done a terrible job.

 

That doesn't stop me from looking at evidence to ascertain the truth. I have been wrong multiple times before, and I'm sure there will be plenty more.

 

I may be wrong about this but that chance is so slim that I'm willing to put my neck on the line and say it's a 99% chance he had covid. Can you honestly say the same? He even said himself he was suffering from COVID symptoms... He didn't say he had the flu.

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3 minutes ago, 2530Ubon said:

Oh, I am completely biased - I think they've done a terrible job.

 

That doesn't stop me from looking at evidence to ascertain the truth. I have been wrong multiple times before, and I'm sure there will be plenty more.

 

I may be wrong about this but that chance is so slim that I'm willing to put my neck on the line and say it's a 99% chance he had covid. Can you honestly say the same? He even said himself he was suffering from COVID symptoms... He didn't say he had the flu.

Mr Cummings drove his family to Durham to stay at his father's farm on the evening of 27 March, after his wife fell ill and suspecting that he might soon fall ill. The next day he developed coronavirus symptoms and was self-isolating.

 

Both COVID-19 and flu can have varying degrees of signs and symptoms, ranging from no symptoms (asymptomatic) to severe symptoms. Common symptoms that COVID-19 and flu share include:

Fever or feeling feverish/chills

Cough

Shortness of breath or difficulty breathing

Fatigue (tiredness)

Sore throat

Runny or stuffy nose

Muscle pain or body aches

Headache

Some people may have vomiting and diarrhea, though this is more common in children than adults

Similarities and Differences between Flu and COVID-19

 Other signs and symptoms of COVID-19, different from flu, may include change in or loss of taste or smell.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm#:~:text=Flu viruses can cause mild,signs and symptoms listed above.&text=COVID-19 seems to cause,loss of taste or smell.