WikiLeaks' Assange to discover if he will be freed from jail on bail

[Jeffr2]

5 minutes ago, Sujo said:

He is not a fugitive on the run. He is in jail.

 

I also believe in the rule of law which allows the defendant to contest the charges using the law. Which he is doing.

 

Rule of law works both ways.

EDIT: he is in jail. From my wiki link.  He's till trying to avoid the law.  Terrible:

 

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Assange was arrested on 11 April 2019 by the London Metropolitan Police for failing to appear in court and now faces possible extradition to the US.

 

I agree the charges aren't that significant.  Man up, deal with it, and get on with your life!  Easy peasy.  He's not contesting the charges, he's trying to avoid extradition where he will be faced with the charges.

Edited January 6, 2021 by Jeffr2

[ezzra]

The bottom line is that he's going to live the rest of his life looking over his shoulders... Enjoy your life mate...

[4MyEgo]

37 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Assange is indicted.

 

What’s your argument that he should not stand trial?

 

Only after the USA and other governments in power at the time Iraq was invaded have stood trial, should Assange stand trial. fair is fair, or is it ?

[Nout]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

He has stated in court that he is suffering a range of mental health issue and that he is at risk of suicide.

 

Put him in a secure mental health facility while his extradition is being appealed.

 

 

 

 

Treat others as you would be treated yourself. He has suffered enough.

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[Jeffr2]

2 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

Only after the USA and other governments in power at the time Iraq was invaded have stood trial, should Assange stand trial. fair is fair, or is it ?

You're comparing a hacker to a government?  Come on.  I hear what you are saying, and agree, but....

[Chomper Higgot]

38 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Because he has to pass the extradition test. If he doesnt have to go then he doesnt have to stand trial.

 

Why in the world would anyone voluntarily go to US to stand trial, its not like they have a great court system.

Take note that the judge has not ruled against the basis of the extradition request, she has ruled on the grounds of Assange’s mental and emotional health.

 

Your arguments against the US court system are general and meaningless, the UK extradition treaty recognizes the US judicial system for the basis of meeting extradition requirements.

[Nout]

13 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

EDIT: he is in jail. From my wiki link.  He's till trying to avoid the law.  Terrible:

 

 

I agree the charges aren't that significant.  Man up, deal with it, and get on with your life!  Easy peasy.  He's not contesting the charges, he's trying to avoid extradition where he will be faced with the charges.

He is rightly trying to avoid the brutality and cruelty of the American penal system. The American state is a blight on this earth. He stood up to them for us and for freedom.

[Chomper Higgot]

20 minutes ago, Nout said:

Treat others as you would be treated yourself. He has suffered enough.

 

Most of his suffering has been self inflicted.

 

Edited January 6, 2021 by onthedarkside
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[4MyEgo]

5 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

You're comparing a hacker to a government?  Come on.  I hear what you are saying, and agree, but....

 

The governments responsible for their atrocities should be jailed, I know, ain't going to happen so focus on the scapegoat while the sheep keeping eating, few heads raised every now and again.

[Nout]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Take note that the judge has not ruled against the basis of the extradition request, she has ruled on the grounds of Assange’s mental and emotional health.

 

Your arguments against the US court system are general and meaningless, the UK extradition treaty recognizes the US judicial system for the basis of meeting extradition requirements.

There is nothing meaningless in recognizing the cruel brutality of the American state, the corruption of its legal and political system and the war waged on the people by the state and its agents. The USA imprisons more or of its people than any other state in the world. Assange is a hero who exposed American murder and corruption. God bless him.

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

The governments responsible for their atrocities should be jailed, I know, ain't going to happen so focus on the scapegoat while the sheep keeping eating, few heads raised every now and again.

I’m not sure how you’d go about ‘jailing a Government’. 

 

Voting them out is the usual means means to punish them.

[Sujo]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Take note that the judge has not ruled against the basis of the extradition request, she has ruled on the grounds of Assange’s mental and emotional health.

 

Your arguments against the US court system are general and meaningless, the UK extradition treaty recognizes the US judicial system for the basis of meeting extradition requirements.

She did rule that the basis of the request cannot be agreed because of his mental health. She did not rule on the strength of the case or legality of the request.

 

In my opinion that will be a big issue that will be reversed on appeal. I expect the decision to be overturned. Or at a minimum sent back to her to decide on the actual legal issues.

 

not quite right on recognising the US system. The UK will not extradite to US if the death penalty is in play, thats just one instance where its not done. 

 

I think he will be extradited but i hope the govt steps in and says to US they can have him as soon as that US diplomat returns to face trial.

[Jeffr2]

20 minutes ago, Nout said:

He is rightly trying to avoid the brutality and cruelty of the American penal system. The American state is a blight on this earth. He stood up to them for us and for freedom.

I like prisons to be brutal.  What do you want, a country club for people who break the law?  Seriously?  He broke the law.  Many up and face the charges.  If innocent, he'll walk.  Which is a huge possibility.  He's a coward and mentally deranged.

 

Edited January 6, 2021 by onthedarkside
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[Jeffr2]

12 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

The governments responsible for their atrocities should be jailed, I know, ain't going to happen so focus on the scapegoat while the sheep keeping eating, few heads raised every now and again.

I hear ya, but that's another topic!!!!

[onthedarkside]

Ahhh... we were doing so well for a while.....

 

A flame post and multiple flaming/personal comments have been removed. Let's stick to discussing the topic, and not verbally attacking fellow forum members.

 

[4MyEgo]

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m not sure how you’d go about ‘jailing a Government’. 

 

Voting them out is the usual means means to punish them.

 

Ah yes, vote them in, and vote them out, let them do as much damage, kill people and let them lose their next term, brilliant.

 

Government members should be jailed, you know what I meant, let's leave it at that.

[4MyEgo]

19 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

I hear ya, but that's another topic!!!!

If ever......????

[Chomper Higgot]

25 minutes ago, Sujo said:

She did rule that the basis of the request cannot be agreed because of his mental health. She did not rule on the strength of the case or legality of the request.

 

In my opinion that will be a big issue that will be reversed on appeal. I expect the decision to be overturned. Or at a minimum sent back to her to decide on the actual legal issues.

 

not quite right on recognising the US system. The UK will not extradite to US if the death penalty is in play, thats just one instance where its not done. 

 

I think he will be extradited but i hope the govt steps in and says to US they can have him as soon as that US diplomat returns to face trial.

Correct, the UK will extradite if the individual is facing a capital trial.

 

Something that is frequently addressed by the US providing a guarantee that the death sentence will not apply and the UK accepting that US guarantee.

 

I hope he is extradited face trial.

 

There will be no ‘trade’ for the US ‘diplomat’, though I hope too she faces trial.

[Kwasaki]

2 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

If you don't agree with the rule of law, then you are right.  If you believe in the rule of law, then you are wrong. 

 

He's a fugitive on the run.

 

From my Wiki link.  He needs to be tried. 

 

 

Hence the saying the law is a ass. 

The rule of law is what is reasonable. What he was charged with by the war crime USA was unreasonable. 

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, Kwasaki said:

Hence the saying the law is a ass. 

The rule of law is what is reasonable. What he was charged with by the war crime USA was unreasonable. 

ummm....it was the law.  And the charges were brought up by a grand jury.  It's a good process.  We'll fall into anarchy if we can't follow the laws.  Where do you stop?  Who decides what law to follow and what to ignore?

 

The law is the law.  If you don't like it, hire a good attorney.

[Kwasaki]

29 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

ummm....it was the law.  And the charges were brought up by a grand jury.  It's a good process.  We'll fall into anarchy if we can't follow the laws.  Where do you stop?  Who decides what law to follow and what to ignore?

 

The law is the law.  If you don't like it, hire a good attorney.

Well we will have to agree to disagree on how the Judges interpreted the law they are the ones that set it. 

They should free Assange he has paid enough in my book. 

[Jeffr2]

10 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Well we will have to agree to disagree on how the Judges interpreted the law they are the ones that set it. 

They should free Assange he has paid enough in my book. 

Judges aren't even involved now.  There's an indictment and now it's up to the 2 sides to prosecute/defend this case.  The judge gets involved then....

 

It's not up to us to decide if Assange is freed...as you know...

[tgw]

3 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

You're comparing a hacker to a government?  Come on.  I hear what you are saying, and agree, but....

 

let's compare the crimes instead.

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

Judges aren't even involved now.  There's an indictment and now it's up to the 2 sides to prosecute/defend this case.  The judge gets involved then....

 

It's not up to us to decide if Assange is freed...as you know...

I am not deciding anything my opinion that he should be freed was clear in past posts. 

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

Judges aren't even involved now.  There's an indictment and now it's up to the 2 sides to prosecute/defend this case.  The judge gets involved then....

 

It's not up to us to decide if Assange is freed...as you know...

There is a bail hearing first.

Also, the law is the law concept is not correct. The intent of the law is correct.

 

I did a trial in oz. An inmate given heroin placed between pieces of bread, he told the guard it must be for the guy in the next cell. They checked it and found it. He was charged with trafficking.

 

Now, if going by the law is the law doctrine that is correct. But going by the intent of the law it was not.

 

After legal arguments on that intent of the law the judge said no case. Court of appeal agreed.

[Chomper Higgot]

5 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

I think he has self inflicted enough punishment on himself already and should be set free.

It's totally inhumane of anyone to say otherwise IMHO.

Well let’s just do Away with the justice system and let people subject themselves to what they believe is a fitting punishment.

[Chomper Higgot]

21 minutes ago, Sujo said:

There is a bail hearing first.

Also, the law is the law concept is not correct. The intent of the law is correct.

 

I did a trial in oz. An inmate given heroin placed between pieces of bread, he told the guard it must be for the guy in the next cell. They checked it and found it. He was charged with trafficking.

 

Now, if going by the law is the law doctrine that is correct. But going by the intent of the law it was not.

 

After legal arguments on that intent of the law the judge said no case. Court of appeal agreed.

Good example.

 

So the accused went before the court and the court passed down a verdict.

 

That’s how the justice system works.

 

No court is going to give a fugitive ‘time served’ for the time he spent hiding from justice.

[Captor]

He is still a rapist. Don´t forget that. I wonder what he´s wife and kids thinks about that.

[TKDfella]

According to the Guardian n.p. (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/jan/05/australian-government-urged-to-press-trump-to-end-us-pursuit-of-julian-assange) in one part Christensen says only a pardon '...will ensure there is no further action against Julian Assange by the Deep State apparatchiks...and by the Julian Assange haters in a potential Biden administration.'

Is it not too late for Pres. trump to do that at this 'late hour'? While J. Biden and his incoming admin might have discussed this generally, perhaps in some interview or other, I don't recall them specifically discussing the topic officially, so on what grounds does Christensen make such a statement? Or does it go back to something that happened prior to 2016?

[Chomper Higgot]

Assange has just been denied bail.