Thailand Gets New Cyber Crime Law

[sillyfools]

I don't even know where to start in a reply to this... so I won't bother even more...

Suffice to say: Thailand the new IT hub of Asia..... NOT!

[MarcHolt]

Thailand gets new cyber crime law

The chief immediate effect of the new bill will be to outlaw any attempt to get around government censors to access any of the tens of thousands of sites censored for moral or political purposes, or "to damage the country".

The government pushed the new law by saying it hopes the bill will provide an effective legal tool to fight cyber crime, including theft of data and chatroom contacts that lead to rape.

-Bangkok Post

What a joke. Just how do they propose to find the owner of any computer using a Proxy?

5-5-5-5-5-5!!!

It would be nice if the government expended this much effort on resolving the REAL problems that face Thailand. The property market is in a shambles. The SET is bleeding to death. Investors are fleeing in droves. Thais are losing their jobs by the thousands because of the stupid policies they have brought in. But all they are interested in is trying to control what we think.

Sorry folks. It won't work. The internet is way too big for you. But have fun trying anyway. It will be fun to see how you go about it.

They seem to forget they are an INTERIM government. They should be concentrating on keeping the ship of state on an even keel. Instead, they keep rocking the boat and we are all seasick!

[noodle]

Duh, was it really a good idea to have a military coupe?

GT, here we come (Gulag Thailand)

[flyx]

I never seen these laws before even in islamic countries !!

porno sites are banned in these countries but only in public

and if you access to these sites via proxy or vpn , they dont search to

find you or bother for you

i think this law is a nasy law!! (of course if i understood correct : access to banned sites via p*oxy is illegal)

when i can do too much sex with many girls in thailand and

when i can drink too much alchol drinkings

and when i see many girls in streets do sex for money

and.......and.......

access to porno sites even via p*oxy is illegal ?!!!!

it seems like as a funny joke

[Steely Dan]

The U.S recently put Thailand on a priority watch list for pirated software, now I wonder whether it's possible to get a pirated copy of Ghostsurf down Porntip Plaza? If so I would count that as hoisted on one's own petard.

[easybullet3]

i am guessing that heaps of people that know about this law and live in other countries will now see this as a great opportunity to slander thailand online. I am guessing there will be a LOT MORE of the anti-thai-king videos posted online in many different websites. this law is just asking for trouble!!

[easybullet3]

I never seen these laws before even in islamic countries !!

porno sites are banned in these countries but only in public

and if you access to these sites via proxy or vpn , they dont search to

find you or bother for you

i think this law is a nasy law!! (of course if i understood correct : access to banned sites via p*oxy is illegal)

when i can do too much sex with many girls in thailand and

when i can drink too much alchol drinkings

and when i see many girls in streets do sex for money

and.......and.......

access to porno sites even via p*oxy is illegal ?!!!!

it seems like as a funny joke

VERY GOOD POINT!!!

[kankaroo]

This is one of the worst things I've heard since they replaced my local beer garden (which was the best place in the area to socilise) with a bleedin Thai donut type setup, which has almost zero customers.

[easybullet3]

i remember when I was in china I had to give my pasport to use the internet cafe. (just in case I did something anti-china or illegal online, the internet cafe would give my details to the chinese authorities).

i had to show my passport (which they photocopied) in almost all the internet cafes I visited in china.

will thailand start doing this?

how else can they prosecute anyone that uses an internet cafe?

[OxfordWill]

Speechless.

[stoneman]

One other point that needs to be made is that these new laws are being written and enacted by a military junta, who, with guns and tanks in the middle of the night, overthrew a democratically elected government.

I think it is fine to propose all the laws you want, but they should wait until there is a democratically elected government in place before approving any new law..

[Edonista]

Any unpopular policies by the current government can be expected to be reversed shortly after Thailand has a freely elected government.

The current government is not passing laws based on ill intent. They really think this is the way to go to protect the average Thai person. However, once the average person can speak for themselves via their votes, such laws will change.

How can you expect Thailand is going to have a freely elected government if the new constitution enpowers CNS to appoint Prime Minister forever ?

Makes you wonder who will appoint CNS members....probably membership will become hereditary !

[Edonista]

I never seen these laws before even in islamic countries !!

porno sites are banned in these countries but only in public

and if you access to these sites via proxy or vpn , they dont search to

find you or bother for you

i think this law is a nasy law!! (of course if i understood correct : access to banned sites via p*oxy is illegal)

when i can do too much sex with many girls in thailand and

when i can drink too much alchol drinkings

and when i see many girls in streets do sex for money

and.......and.......

access to porno sites even via p*oxy is illegal ?!!!!

it seems like as a funny joke

This is a country ruled by bigot hypocrites.

Laws exist not to be enforced but to enrich police through corruption.

[thefusilier]

i am guessing that heaps of people that know about this law and live in other countries will now see this as a great opportunity to slander thailand online. I am guessing there will be a LOT MORE of the anti-thai-king videos posted online in many different websites. this law is just asking for trouble!!

You are exactly right. I was just on youtube and there are now dozens of anti-thailand / pro-freespeech videos on it. Alot are rude to the King but they all point to the censoring as the motivation. I guess it will be forever banned now that even more vids will be made.

[Mid]

i am guessing that heaps of people that know about this law and live in other countries will now see this as a great opportunity to slander thailand online. I am guessing there will be a LOT MORE of the anti-thai-king videos posted online in many different websites. this law is just asking for trouble!!

You are exactly right. I was just on youtube and there are now dozens of anti-thailand / pro-freespeech videos on it. Alot are rude to the King but they all point to the censoring as the motivation. I guess it will be forever banned now that even more vids will be made.

seems that there are still lessons to learn ,

to wit ,

when walking in the woods , do not poke sleeping bears with sticks ...................................

[DonTron]

When will they understand that...

Internet censorship do not work!

How can you monitor 8 trillion webpages where many of them change daily?

The video of the King that made them block YouTube can also be found via Google Video, Flickr, MetaCafe, Kontraband etc.. So what does it help to block one site when you can view it on thousands of others? (By the way, the video is stupid and who ever made it is an idiot). Still I love YouTube and I am pissed that they block all 5 million YouTube videos because of one stupid guy.

In Denmark we are very proud of our freedom of speach and freedom of press. Sometimes, like with the Mohammed cartoon, we have a little too much freedom and pisses off the entire muslim world. Still we would never block anything on the Internet. We procecute offenders, we monitor suspected phedofiles and we log all IPs and conversations inside communities and chatrooms where kids hang out. But we would never censor the internet.

Actually this Mohammed Cartoon thing made me think of a funny episode in Pattaya a couple of weeks ago. One night I was sitting at the "Danish Hamburger" grill eating a hotdog. Next to me were two Arab guys also eating hotdogs, one of them with a thai girl and the other had a very tall katoey. So we got to talk and they were a bit upset about the Mohammed Cartoon, so I asked them "If you believe so hard in Islam, then why do you sit with a Katoey, in a Danish restaurant, eating pork sausage?" - and his answer was... "When its dark - Allah cannot see"

[Aussietraveller]

"When its dark - Allah cannot see"

[marquess]

One other point that needs to be made is that these new laws are being written and enacted by a military junta, who, with guns and tanks in the middle of the night, overthrew a democratically elected government.

I think it is fine to propose all the laws you want, but they should wait until there is a democratically elected government in place before approving any new law..

I think that your missing the point, governments are basically about control, either direct or indirect, information equates to having a greater ability to make choices, hence if you can circumvent or control that information! I can't see any gov coming and removing the law that has just been passed, unless you get mass streets protest, which just isn't going to happen here over an issue like that. Some puritanical moralist will come out of the wood work and say that they are protecting children and country! For those of us who know better leave them to it, everyone has to find their own way.

[lingling]

We respects the privacy of all our visitors, members and clients. Any known information is kept strictly confidential. No information is ever sold or knowingly given out to any third party.

thanks jd ,but would those rules still hold if the third party threatened to block the site in thailand unless the information requested was not forthcoming ?

Uhh. They don't need to knock on anyone's door to track a user here. There are plenty of techniques available that allows any registered user to track other users without cooperation of the admin/mods. For fun I tested it a while ago when a certain "senior prolific doctor" was using an Australian ISP; Telus. So no, don't assume that you are anonymous here just because you don't sign with your own name. A few steps extra are needed if you want to be really anonymous.

Another question: does this new law mean that all NAT devices, i.e. just about any dsl/cable/satellite modem is now illegal, as is routers? What is the penalty for owning one of those devices?

[lingling]

What a joke. Just how do they propose to find the owner of any computer using a Proxy?

5-5-5-5-5-5!!!

Usually by looking at the HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR http header.

[fisherd3]

Thailand has yet to learn that it is unable to manipulate the forces of the world at large that it cannot isolate itself from. Despite absolute evidence that it cannot.

It is likely that any attempt to censor the internet will detract even further from it's once stated aim 'to become the priciple internet hub in South-east Asia'. A typical Thai conundrum

The continued governing of the country in it's typical insular , medieval , and recently, unpredictable and uncertain manner will ensure that Thailand remains the set of total contradictions that many of us embrace and enjoy, but which I would imagine will be savoured rather less joyously by international businesses, have they acheived their true end?

Well done Thailand!

[Kyosuken]

well best solutions is to hack into wireless networks to do dirty things lol (i am kidding of course, but on the serious part, as it is very hard to track down who is hacking a wireless network one may be "safe" for using such technique)

[OxfordWill]

Usually by looking at the HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR http header.

You have to distinguish between two types of proxy- proxy and anonymous proxy. They are not the same thing. One is a proxy and will carry headers, log requests to the web server and who made them and the other is deliberately stripped (usually apache) of all those features and sits on an oil rig, or somewhere in Europe, in some guys basement or the basement of a university and using this there really is no way to know the original user apart from if you can log a user of an ISP visiting that proxy to begin with and even then you have no way, even with all the logs of all servers involved, to know exactly what that user browsed.

[patsfangr]

All together now - "one step forward three steps back, one step forward three steps back"

rumors say "we got another year of INTERNET USE, then no more". It is the only way for the country to regain a cultural control from foreigner influence. Expect an overall ban on all foregneir websites.

I can't imagine that would ever try to go this far. I'm sure that I am one of many expats here who use "foreign websites" to control my finances. My pension funds and savings are controlled via such a site. My pension and Social Security payments are both sent to a "foreign" bank, from whose website I monitor my funds to control my transfers of funds to Thailand. The Thai mail system being what it is, there is NO FLOCKING WAY that I would have my pension and Social Security payments sent here by mail!

[sriracha john]

and when i see many girls in streets do sex

[a2396]

if a poster on thai visa posted comments about the government that were less than complimentary

and deemed to be defamatory , and the cyber police came knocking on georges door asking for the identity of the poster , what is the thai visa policy regarding this ?

would thai visa divulge the ip address of the poster ? ..... what is international law on this matter ?

From the Forum Rules:

We respects the privacy of all our visitors, members and clients. Any known information is kept strictly confidential. No information is ever sold or knowingly given out to any third party.

That's no kind of answer. I am sure if an official government agency request is made, as in other countries, you will hand it over.

[sriracha john]

and when i see many girls in streets do sex

VERY GOOD POINT!!!

:D

[ChiangMaiAmerican]

Has anyone been able to find more details on what is actually in the new law? It seems like the government wants the details to be a secret given the scant press coverage.

[rainman]

I never seen these laws before even in islamic countries !!

porno sites are banned in these countries but only in public

and if you access to these sites via proxy or vpn , they dont search to

find you or bother for you

i think this law is a nasy law!! (of course if i understood correct : access to banned sites via p*oxy is illegal)

when i can do too much sex with many girls in thailand and

when i can drink too much alchol drinkings

and when i see many girls in streets do sex for money

and.......and.......

access to porno sites even via p*oxy is illegal ?!!!!

it seems like as a funny joke

That's probably because in Thai culture, sadly, paying money for sometimes even underage girls for sex is perfectly normal and acceptable, while watching porn is just very bad for your mind and health.

[tracer]

if a poster on thai visa posted comments about the government that were less than complimentary

and deemed to be defamatory , and the cyber police came knocking on georges door asking for the identity of the poster , what is the thai visa policy regarding this ?

would thai visa divulge the ip address of the poster ? ..... what is international law on this matter ?

1. I always use free ip numbers since the beginning of internet.

2. with the right program there is no way they can track you down. Ok, you can but from USA....

Thai's? I doubt it as many isp's were setup in the begin with login/passwords NOT encrypted. We checked in via LINUX programs as the servers were obviously ruuning that...