Twitter permanently suspends Trump's account, cites 'incitement of violence' risk

[J Town]

1 hour ago, GrandPapillon said:

because those digital platforms have such an impact in our life, and public life, they are subject to standards that goes beyond one of private companies. I suspect upcoming legislation will address that. They jumped the shark, and I think a lot of legislators are going to want to "regulate" how Tiwtter and friends must take decisions on how to censure contents.

 

It's GDPR++

45's tweets have killed, including police. Twitter is a private company, well within their rights. If you post the same things that 45 had on ThaiVisa, you'd be banned. You know - not just a vacation but a life time ban. Private group.

 

If you don't like it, then go to Parler. Oh . . . right.

[J Town]

1 hour ago, GrandPapillon said:

absolutely, completely missed by our anti-Trump friends here,

 

if BLM was banned on Twitter, it would be an uproar from the usual suspects about Democracy, freedom of speech etc...

 

it's a 2 way street, can't ask for one without the other, like it's being demonstrated by anti-Trump crowd, completely missing the point about the banning.

If BLM tweeted the same as 45, they would NEED to be banned. I would WANT them banned if they were just as deplorable!

[Sujo]

19 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Can we agree that the problem is both?  

We can agree the govt has no right to limit the choice of a company on who it accepts.

 

If it does, then we agree thats a communist trait and you are welcome to it.

[J Town]

1 hour ago, GrandPapillon said:

1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

BLM is banned on Fox News, OAN, Breitbart, and I’m pretty sure on Parler and GAB as well, but that seems to be ok for you and your “2 way street”

not ok with me, but these are obscure little platform[s]

I know your posts well enough to know you really believe this garbage, and that's why we are in such a horrible time. The three sites you call obscure are the truth and the way for over 70 million gullible buffoons, and tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths are a direct result.

[welovesundaysatspace]

31 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

that wasn't his point, at this stage, I don't think you can get it, so you are going in circle here ????

Now you’re the one trolling ???? 

[J Town]

1 hour ago, Sujo said:

1 hour ago, GrandPapillon said:

not ok with me, but these are obscure little platform, doesn't have the importance or impact that Twitter and FB has platforms that have been become central should have a higher standard of censorship, not the mobs rule we have here

 

I suspect Twitter actions are about "appeasing" the Democrats in light of future bi-partisan legislation. This is going to get really interesting in a few months.

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I'm sure [45] won't struggle, he does have a press secretary that can preach to an international audience at any time.

Or 45 can go himself and he could personally explain his actions, his motives, his dreams. 

[Sujo]

Its funny how trump supporters dont want govt intervention, unless they like it.

 

But no point going on, hes out in a week and of no more interest than an annoying mosquito.

[heybruce]

It's tiresome to address nonsensical posts one at a time, so allow me to point out a couple of things:

 

There is no comparison between private companies and the Nazi government and the GDPR government.  Understand?

 

Putin has not called the US election a fraud and encouraged a violent assault on the US Capitol building.  If he does, I'm confidant he will be banned from Twitter.

 

President Trump was tolerated on Twitter for years.  However after he claimed the election was stolen without evidence,  egged on a mob to march on the Capitol building, failed to call out the National Guard to restore order after the Capitol Police were overwhelmed, then belatedly expressed love for the violent mob and asked them to go home, Twitter decided he had crossed a line. 

 

Finally; yes, if any of the Democratic leaders cross the same line, I will be happy to see them banned as well.

[J Town]

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

Easy example, the group "Walk Away", which encouraged Democrats to change to Republican. Not violent, not hateful, just a Facebook group that shared testimonial from people who switched affiliation. A group with a half million members, now gone.

And there's a Facebook group of 30 million that STILL insists 45 will be inaugurated 20 Jan and they're holding an online inauguration party. That proves nothing.

[Sujo]

24 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

not all speech, hate speech for sure, and I think they want to regulate the process for which censure will be applied. The Twitter way is definitely not an option. Thank you Trump, your sacrifice was helpful ????

If twitter bans people for their views then how did trump have 80m followers?

 

People are not banned for their political views. Though they should be banned for outright stupidity in believing him.

[J Town]

1 hour ago, GrandPapillon said:

it does feel that way,

 

I am glad they jumped the shark, just before upcoming legislation that needs to address those issues

 

Amazon can shutdown any viable business just because they own the "cloud world"

 

it needs to stop, and we can thank Trump for exposing them

 

they were fine with his tweets for years when he was POTUS, now they go after him on a false pretense, that just says a lot about those "digital" platforms. They act like a private army  ????

Your logic is so twisted. Amazon will NEVER shut down a viable business. They DO shut down sites selling Nazi memorabilia. That's bad business. They will, however, sell a gay cake. That's good business. Inciting people to storm the capitol building is indefensible. That's BAD business. It's really simple. Racist terrorist insurrection BAD, democracy GOOD.

[J Town]

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

...or you could check out their website

 

https://www.walkawaycampaign.com/

 

...and judge for yourself.  You may not agree with them, but do you see anything advocating violence?

 

Flat earthers are the same. Not violent, but really REALLY stupid.

[J Town]

59 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

maybe, so if Twitter had any courage, they should have shutdown that account long ago,

 

I bet the media uproar, and the mobs rule would have forced Twitter to "unban" his account

 

that's exactly my point, they act like a dominating private army, like they "own" the cloud, and have no principles, not even following their own abusive EULA.

 

I was a bit uncomfortable with the upcoming legislation on EULA, but now I see how it's necessary, they jumped the shark. Trump is just the prop.

Twisted logic x 2. Twitter is almost TOO principled. They looked the other way far too often because of the respect for what 45 has now sullied - the office of the president. When people started dying because of 45's criminal rhetoric, they pulled the plug. So did just about everyone in the world who have any dealings with him. Why you still defend such a scum speaks volumes.

[J Town]

55 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

there is already a media uproar about Trump account shutdown, maybe not in the US, but here in Europe a lot of political leaders do not agree with this, even if they disliked Trump

Any sources other than Fox, Newsmax or Breitbart?

[J Town]

43 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

disagree, Trump enables the ordinary authoritarians

 

and that goes for both sides, the anti-Trump crowd is as much as guilty as his supporters for him to exist and survive

 

Trump is a prop, and the reactions he triggers just reveal a lot of about his opponents

Twisted logic x 3.

 

45 doesn't "trigger" reactions, he evokes pushback on horrific policies/decisions. Defending him is either lack of critical thinking or trolling.

[J Town]

38 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

not all speech, hate speech for sure, and I think they want to regulate the process for which censure will be applied. The Twitter way is definitely not an option. Thank you Trump, your sacrifice was helpful ????

Twisted logic x 4.

NOT a sacrifice, he made fatal, disastrous decisions and  was removed. Not intentional which is what is inferred in a sacrifice. I'm sure his ears are bleeding steam. his fingers twitching to no avail.

[J Town]

39 minutes ago, heybruce said:

1 hour ago, watso63 said:

Facebook, Twitter, Google and Amazon, the new book burning Nazi's????

Were you aware that the Nazi's weren't a private company, but the political party running fascist government?

As well, the Nazi's promoted Positive Christianity.

[Virt]

10 minutes ago, J Town said:

Any sources other than Fox, Newsmax or Breitbart?

 

Here is a few mentioned that talked about the ban. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/01/11/problematic-and-perplexing-european-leaders-side-with-trump-over-twitter-ban/amp/

[J Town]

1 minute ago, Virt said:

Here is a few mentioned that talked about the ban. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/01/11/problematic-and-perplexing-european-leaders-side-with-trump-over-twitter-ban/amp/

Well written and thought evoking article. Greater minds than are on this forum will have to suss it out.

[Hanaguma]

30 minutes ago, Sujo said:

We can agree the govt has no right to limit the choice of a company on who it accepts.

 

If it does, then we agree thats a communist trait and you are welcome to it.

That is a simplistic argument. Companies are quite often placed under rules that prohibit discrimination for arbitrary reasons. If what you say was correct, then restaurants could simply hang signs that say "no coloreds, no Asians" and it would be OK.  

 

Not to mention the simple fact that the "rules" are applied in a capricious and vindictive manner, generally based on political viewpoint rather than on actual behavior.  It is a sign of the adage that conservatives may disagree with you but don't think you are evil.  Leftists think you ARE evil if you disagree with them. Therefore, any measure to silence you is justified. 

[mikebike]

On 1/9/2021 at 7:59 PM, Thingamabob said:

So, back to the swamp with the likes off Biden, Schumer and Pelosi. What a dismal prospect. 

Dismal yes, yet somewhat brighter than the last 4 yrs...

[mikebike]

On 1/9/2021 at 9:23 PM, Susco said:

 

Well I know there is some discussion going on in congress currently about this subject.

 

I haven't followed it, as US politics are not something I'm interested in, but isn't it about that exactly what they are discussing?

No. It is not.

[welovesundaysatspace]

12 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

If what you say was correct, then restaurants could simply hang signs that say "no coloreds, no Asians" and it would be OK.  

Then they could be prosecuted for violating the laws. 
 

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Not to mention the simple fact that the "rules" are applied in a capricious and vindictive manner, generally based on political viewpoint rather than on actual behavior. 

Committing a crime is not a political viewpoint. Racism also isn’t a political viewpoint. Trump wasn’t banned for tweeting he supports tax breaks. 

 

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It is a sign of the adage that conservatives may disagree with you but don't think you are evil.  Leftists think you ARE evil if you disagree with them. Therefore, any measure to silence you is justified. 

Whatever floats your boat in your small rightist world. 
 

 

 

Edited January 12, 2021 by welovesundaysatspace

[J Town]

11 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

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It is a sign of the adage that conservatives may disagree with you but don't think you are evil.  Leftists think you ARE evil if you disagree with them. Therefore, any measure to silence you is justified. 

I just sprinkled those words on my tomatoes and they instantly started growing better.

[mikebike]

On 1/9/2021 at 10:26 PM, GrandPapillon said:

it is when it comes to political free speech,

 

interesting reactions for the anti-Trump crowd, I bet they would threw away all those nice principles if it was their "man" in power

 

they are completely missing the point, I guess people don't deserve "free speech" after all ????

 

if channels and private organizations are censuring your free speech ability, what's left of it? just an empty promise

A simple question for you:

 

How did you exercise your free speach prior to social media?

[Nout]

15 hours ago, Credo said:

I have no idea what 'violencing' is, but I haven't seen any tweets from Putin.  Have you?

 

I can reference you tweets from some of the vilest regimes in the world...

But you wouldn't care because you approve and support non elected regimes around the world, including the odious CCP having access to social media. You do not believe in freedom of speech...you believe in censorship of words, thoughts and ideas....The essence of dictatorship and Marxist Lenninism.

[KhaoNiaw]

Trump can call a press conference any time he wants, every media organization will be in attendance and what he says will go all around the world. So you can't really say his right to free speech is being denied. He only prefers Twitter because there's much less scrutiny and he can't be questioned. He wants to get the lies out there without any pushback. Once they're out there, it's job done. 

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1 minute ago, Nout said:

I can reference you tweets from some of the vilest regimes in the world...

But you wouldn't care because you approve and support non elected regimes around the world, including the odious CCP having access to social media. You do not believe in freedom of speech...you believe in censorship of words, thoughts and ideas....The essence of dictatorship and Marxist Lenninism.

On Twitter I've been following President Xi of China for years. But only for the jokes.

[Sujo]

23 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

That is a simplistic argument. Companies are quite often placed under rules that prohibit discrimination for arbitrary reasons. If what you say was correct, then restaurants could simply hang signs that say "no coloreds, no Asians" and it would be OK.  

 

Not to mention the simple fact that the "rules" are applied in a capricious and vindictive manner, generally based on political viewpoint rather than on actual behavior.  It is a sign of the adage that conservatives may disagree with you but don't think you are evil.  Leftists think you ARE evil if you disagree with them. Therefore, any measure to silence you is justified. 

But what you advocate is that it is indeed ok for no colored or asians signs.

 

No one was banned for political views. Perhaps you should read their reasons for it. Are you on twitter. Were you banned for supporting trump?

 

Though its nice to see sarah sanders high school teacher just own her. Brilliant.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/sarah-sanders-former-trump-spokesperson-073245333.html

 

[Sujo]

6 minutes ago, Nout said:

I can reference you tweets from some of the vilest regimes in the world...

But you wouldn't care because you approve and support non elected regimes around the world, including the odious CCP having access to social media. You do not believe in freedom of speech...you believe in censorship of words, thoughts and ideas....The essence of dictatorship and Marxist Lenninism.

Can you show us the tweets from them you find offensive?