Should tbere be legalised casinos in Pattaya?

[Leaver]

2 minutes ago, HashBrownHarry said:

Sorry, i'm still trying to peel myself off the floor from laughing that you think medical and education would improve here due to the introduction of casino's.......comedy gold.

 

You've had some cracking comments but this is amongst the best yet, pls keep them coming.......

 

PMSL.

 

Perhaps you can offer your opinion on what Thailand actually stands to lose by offering casinos.

[HashBrownHarry]

Just now, Leaver said:

 

I am sure I have. 

 

Everything from "tubing" in Vang Vieng - Laos, to Full Moon Parties on Koh Pha-ngan.  Have you done either of these, Harry?

 

 

Many times.

 

I have friends that have already left Thailand for Vietnam.  

 

I have stated on this forum Vietnam is my "Plan B."  I guess your Plan B is the village.  

Tubing - lol

 

Brilliant, how old are you, 13?

 

LOL

 

Hilarious.

 

I was in KP full moon party long before you even heard of thailand i'm sure of that. I live in VT for 3 years fyi, so i have a good understanding of VN.

 

My plan  B is death, i have no wish to live elsewhere.

[HashBrownHarry]

1 minute ago, Leaver said:

 

Perhaps you can offer your opinion on what Thailand actually stands to lose by offering casinos.

You're avoiding my question (again) coz you know you're wrong.

 

I don't know what they have to lose, all i know is it's not going to happen, deal with it.

[Leaver]

4 minutes ago, HashBrownHarry said:

I don't know what they have to lose,

 

If you don't know what Thailand has to lose, why spout BS about why Thailand can not gain?

 

5 minutes ago, HashBrownHarry said:

all i know is it's not going to happen,

 

Yeah, they said that about cannabis as well.  

 

 

 

 

[HashBrownHarry]

Just now, Leaver said:

 

If you don't know what Thailand has to lose, why spout BS about why Thailand can not gain?

 

 

Yeah, they said that about cannabis as well.  

 

 

 

 

No need to get your knickers in a twist sunshine......I'm pointing out that a man of your immense wealth of knowledge of all things Thai should realise that IF ( which it won't ) casino's were allowed here and taxed the difference to the normal Thai person would be zero / nada / zip / SFA, you don't seem to be able to understand this, not sure why?

 

Do you have any idea about what's involved about getting a license to be allowed to grow cannabis btw? i think not.

 

Remember as well that it's also still considered as a class A drug here so yeah i'd say not much progress with regards to cannabis legalisation in this place.

[Leaver]

1 hour ago, HashBrownHarry said:

Tubing - lol

 

Brilliant, how old are you, 13?

 

LOL

 

Hilarious.

 

I was in KP full moon party long before you even heard of thailand i'm sure of that. I live in VT for 3 years fyi, so i have a good understanding of VN.

 

My plan  B is death, i have no wish to live elsewhere.

 

I guess you have never been to Vang Vieng then, yet, you say you are well travelled around South East Asia.  Fail.

 

I've done a few full moon parties, most likely a few more than you.  

 

Ah, yes, Vung Tau, nice spot.  Know it well, but prefer Nha Trang.  I doubt you know Vung Tau any better than me as well, and living in Vung Tau for 3 years, I bet you never saw much else of Vietnam. Rig Pigs don't count, Harry.

 

Did you mange to visit this place, not so far from Vung Tau?

 

https://thegrandhotram.com

 

if so, did you see all that gambling money go down on the tables?  Of course, none of it going into  any infrastructure at all, like a new airport at Long Thanh.   ????

 

Try harder, Harry.  ????  

 

 

Edited February 6, 2021 by Leaver

[Leaver]

1 hour ago, HashBrownHarry said:

I'm pointing out that a man of your immense wealth of knowledge of all things Thai should realise that IF ( which it won't ) casino's were allowed here and taxed the difference to the normal Thai person would be zero / nada / zip / SFA,

 

Do you have any evidence of that, given casinos have never been in Thailand?

 

1 hour ago, HashBrownHarry said:

Do you have any idea about what's involved about getting a license to be allowed to grow cannabis btw?

 

Who said anything about growing cannabis?

 

It can be legally purchased here now, yet Thailand has a staunch history of anti drugs, just like anti casinos.  How long before that changes as well? ????

 

1 hour ago, HashBrownHarry said:

Remember as well that it's also still considered as a class A drug here so yeah i'd say not much progress with regards to cannabis legalisation in this place.

 

Yet, it can not be legally purchased.  

 

How do you explain that, Harry?  

[ross163103]

In a perfect world; casinos would be built, profits would go to the cities, provinces, country and then trickle down to the Thai citizens by improving their life.

In the not so perfect world (reality); chinese build the casinos, profits--not all but most, go back to china, chinese businessmen, and the Thai politicians/elite that have allowed the chinese to build here. The Thai people would be last on the list--IF even on the list, of people receiving any benefit from legalized gambling. Shihanoukville Cambodia comes to mind, a Google search provides some insight into gambling brought in by the chinese there.

[l4ml4m]

what about legal coffee shops ?

 

[champers]

5 hours ago, l4ml4m said:

what about legal coffee shops ?

 

Why not start a thread; this one is about casinos.

[quake]

5 hours ago, l4ml4m said:

what about legal coffee shops ?

 

Think star bucks have that one sorted. 

[jacko45k]

11 hours ago, Leaver said:

I know guys that have lived here for years and are part of the "I get the missus to do it" brigade, and are lead by the nose by the Thai missus for everything.

Those will be the ones on the back of the motorbike... a  95kg guy with his 45 kg lady struggling to balance. 

[HashBrownHarry]

20 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

I guess you have never been to Vang Vieng then, yet, you say you are well travelled around South East Asia.  Fail.

 

I've done a few full moon parties, most likely a few more than you.  

 

Ah, yes, Vung Tau, nice spot.  Know it well, but prefer Nha Trang.  I doubt you know Vung Tau any better than me as well, and living in Vung Tau for 3 years, I bet you never saw much else of Vietnam. Rig Pigs don't count, Harry.

 

Did you mange to visit this place, not so far from Vung Tau?

 

https://thegrandhotram.com

 

if so, did you see all that gambling money go down on the tables?  Of course, none of it going into  any infrastructure at all, like a new airport at Long Thanh.   ????

 

Try harder, Harry.  ????  

 

 

Too many russians in Nha Trang for my liking. I'm sure in know VT much better than you.

 

What's a 'rig pig'?

 

I've been to the link you provide countless times, it's ok but not really my cup of tea. Most of my visits there were freebies tho so could n't grumble.

 

Try harder for what?

[Leaver]

27 minutes ago, HashBrownHarry said:

What's a 'rig pig'?

 

Obviously you don't know Vung Tau so well then.

 

28 minutes ago, HashBrownHarry said:

I've been to the link you provide countless times,

 

Did you see all that gambling money on the tables?  The Vietnamese citizens see some of that.  Why wouldn't / couldn't the same happen here?

[HashBrownHarry]

1 minute ago, Leaver said:

 

Obviously you don't know Vung Tau so well then.

 

 

Did you see all that gambling money on the tables?  The Vietnamese citizens see some of that.  Why wouldn't / couldn't the same happen here?

So you don't know what a rig pig is either?

 

How do the VN citizens see some of that money, how do you know, evidence?

[Leaver]

2 hours ago, HashBrownHarry said:

So you don't know what a rig pig is either?

 

If you were in Vung Tau, as you say your were, you would have seen the offshore crews drinking before, and after, rotation. "Rig Pigs."

 

2 hours ago, HashBrownHarry said:

How do the VN citizens see some of that money, how do you know, evidence?

 

How do you know they don't?  Evidence?  

 

Even if the VN citizens only see 1 VND from it, that's 1 VND more than before, not to mention all the employment it creates, which has a flow on effect through the economy.  

 

What's your case for no casinos here?  

[HashBrownHarry]

12 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

If you were in Vung Tau, as you say your were, you would have seen the offshore crews drinking before, and after, rotation. "Rig Pigs."

 

 

How do you know they don't?  Evidence?  

 

Even if the VN citizens only see 1 VND from it, that's 1 VND more than before, not to mention all the employment it creates, which has a flow on effect through the economy.  

 

What's your case for no casinos here?  

I don't care either way if there's casinos here or now but my point (which i've tried to make before but you don't understand) is that it's never going to happen, why even discuss the pro's / cons of it?

 

My evidence regarding normal tax payers is there's plenty taxes on other things, how does the normal thai person benefit from this?

 

You should know that here the rich get richer and the normal people just get walked all over...

[ross163103]

11 hours ago, HashBrownHarry said:

You should know that here the rich get richer and the normal people just get walked all over...

EXACTLY, it's what royal families/politicians/rich elite want.

[Leaver]

On 2/8/2021 at 12:01 PM, HashBrownHarry said:

it's never going to happen, why even discuss the pro's / cons of it?

 

They said that about cannabis as well, and look now.

 

On 2/8/2021 at 12:01 PM, HashBrownHarry said:

there's plenty taxes on other things, how does the normal thai person benefit from this?

 

Well, let's see.

 

How about employment?   Large casinos employ literally thousands of people, directly, and indirectly.

 

What about the westerner that loses say 100,000 baht on a weekend visit.  If the casino is state owned, the money goes into consolidated revenue.

 

What about the high roller that loses millions of baht on a weekend visit?  

 

What about a "whale" that loses hundreds of millions on a visit?

 

On 2/8/2021 at 12:01 PM, HashBrownHarry said:

You should know that here the rich get richer and the normal people just get walked all over..

 

Some of it would flow down.

 

Are you saying, due to Thailand being so corrupt, this is the reason there should be no casinos here?   

[Leaver]

On 2/8/2021 at 11:27 PM, ross163103 said:

EXACTLY, it's what royal families/politicians/rich elite want.

 

Are you also suggesting that not 1 baht will trickle down to the people?

 

Where are the current taxes going then?  

 

Let's imaging for one minute that no revenue from casinos goes to the average Thai person, what has Thailand lost by offering this activity? 

 

The rich get richer, the average Thai stays the same.  Your point is????

[Kerryd]

News reports of late have been going on about all the dirty money being laundered at casinos in other countries. Something which has been going on for decades while authorities turned a blind eye to it as they were reaping a portion of the profits and could hide behind a façade of righteousness. 

Not to mention they (casinos) prey on the weak and gullible. They know the odds and every game is set up in their favour. Everyday hordes of suckers who think they have an unbeatable system or think they are smarter than the casinos lose their shirts (and homes and life savings). Gambling addiction and crime seem to go hand in hand with such places. 

All manner of people claim that they can control themselves and therefore it should be legal because of course, who cares about all those who can't ? And you can bet even the ones who claim they can control their gambling are probably full of ****. (Like most addicts, gamblers will rarely ever admit to having a problem.)

I've seen how people get when they start gambling. I've seen 5 cent antes and $1 pots suddenly turn into $20 antes and pots nearing $1,000 and, of course, the players turning into complete idiots (and ***holes) when they don't win.
Naturally, it's always someone else's fault of course. That's the way of it. Everyone has a "system" and everyone can control their gambling. And when they lose everything, it's never their fault. It's always "I've just had some bad luck" and "The game is rigged" and "I know I can win it all back, I just need a stake to get me back into the game".

Casinos in Thailand ? Lol. Would anyone even think for a second that they wouldn't be rigged and run by corrupt officials and used for illegal purposes ?  And who's going to oversee them ? The same people running them and raking in all the cash.

If you think the jet ski and baht bus mafia are bad, just imagine what the casino mafia would be like. Frik, farmers will have to sell their rice farms and move to the furthest parts of Isaan because of all the bodies getting buried in the rice paddies around wherever the casinos are set up. Every rainy season those bodies will start popping up from the paddies and floating away with the floods.

I highly doubt the gov't could set up and control any kind of casinos in this country without them almost immediately becoming a major crime problem. I'm sure they know it as well which is probably why they haven't considered them at all and don't appear to want to any time soon either.

But hey, once the covid crisis is under control, there's nothing stopping people from going to Cambodia to gamble. I'm sure it's all legit and safe. 

[HashBrownHarry]

1 hour ago, Leaver said:

 

They said that about cannabis as well, and look now.

 

 

Well, let's see.

 

How about employment?   Large casinos employ literally thousands of people, directly, and indirectly.

 

What about the westerner that loses say 100,000 baht on a weekend visit.  If the casino is state owned, the money goes into consolidated revenue.

 

What about the high roller that loses millions of baht on a weekend visit?  

 

What about a "whale" that loses hundreds of millions on a visit?

 

 

Some of it would flow down.

 

Are you saying, due to Thailand being so corrupt, this is the reason there should be no casinos here?   

You can state all the reasons you want, won't happen.......deal with it.

[carlyai]

On 1/19/2021 at 3:03 PM, userabcd said:

No, every casino I have entered seemed to have a jaded kind of sad clientele wishing and hoping for that win, gaudy flashing lights appearance, a noisy environment and a general aura of sleaziness.

Sleaziness...love it. ????

[Leaver]

4 hours ago, HashBrownHarry said:

You can state all the reasons you want, won't happen.......deal with it.

 

They are already here, they are just illegal. 

 

Why not legalize it and at least cut a few of the criminals out of it?  

 

Oh, and let's not forget about the the illegality of prostitution.  Who knows, maybe one day, it will be "legal" as well, so there will be "legal" soapies etc here.   ????

 

Edited February 12, 2021 by Leaver

[HashBrownHarry]

1 minute ago, Leaver said:

 

They are already here, they are just illegal. 

 

Why not legalize it and at least cut a few of the criminals out of it?  

Are they taxed?

[Leaver]

1 hour ago, HashBrownHarry said:

Are they taxed?

Who?  The criminals?   

[ross163103]

7 hours ago, Leaver said:

Are you also suggesting that not 1 baht will trickle down to the people?

No, I'm suggesting the MAJORITY of the money won't make it into the average Thai's bank account, it will go back to the chinese businessmen that built the casinos.

How about we agree to disagree because our discussion is going nowhere--like a lot of these threads.....I'll let you have the last word.

[Leaver]

5 minutes ago, ross163103 said:

No, I'm suggesting the MAJORITY of the money won't make it into the average Thai's bank account,

 

Who every said it would go to Thai bank accounts, employment aside?

 

If only 1 baht went into infrastructure, that's 1 baht more than before casinos. 

 

7 minutes ago, ross163103 said:

How about we agree to disagree because our discussion is going nowhere--like a lot of these threads.....I'll let you have the last word.

 

It's not about "having the last word."

 

I know Thailand is an incredibly corrupt country.

 

I know the current Thai government is practically a dictatorship.

 

I know some, and I contest not all all, profits of any casinos will be siphoned off.

 

However, some will go to infrastructure, and with the employment casinos will create, across the whole tourism sector, with little to no social impact on Thai society, because Thai's will not be allowed into the casinos, I don't see a problem with it.

[jacko45k]

7 hours ago, Leaver said:

If only 1 baht went into infrastructure, that's 1 baht more than before casinos

That one baht would be gambled away. Casinos are temples to human greed and weakness. I admire that Thailand has managed to steer clear of it. Ugly buildings committed to the  worship of money and the stupid waste of it. I don't see Las Vegas or Hong Kong as places Thailand should aspire to.... it has turned Sihanoukvile  into a place to avoid. 

Edited February 12, 2021 by jacko45k

[HashBrownHarry]

8 hours ago, Leaver said:

Who?  The criminals?   

That's right, another question you can't answer.

 

You can't make your mind up, wanting legalised casinos so the normal Thai benifits from them being taxed ( cough ) and then spout off about they're being illegal casino's......what do you want?