3 minutes ago, 2530Ubon said:

When that time was up, Churchill was the 'father' of the EU. We also created the single market (Thanks Margaret Thatcher) to be a part of something larger.

I don't know what YouTube channel you are getting your history from, but none of that is true.

 

1 hour ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

Well, then the UK has an excess of stupid people... with 11% (last I heard) of the traffic going without documentation problems. 

The UK voted for brexit. Could there be a connection? 

1 minute ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

Yes, I have seen at least one newspaper now has been saying that more than 20 years - how the EU is doomed - it will soon fall apart and end... yet it is still here... and the UK is getting smaller (Northern Ireland and Gibraltar and possibly in the future Scotland).  So which union is more fragile?

Forget the 20 years, thanks to Brexit people from both sides of the channel are waking up to realise how beaurocracy can ruin people lives, UvL is a perfect example of a failed politician that is in charge of the EU. Do you honestly think that there will be no more exits from the failed project that is the EU. 

 

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

Are your slogans suffering any problems getting through customs Chomper? ????????????

That’s rather funny, knowing how fond ‘Brexiteers’ are if slogans, particularly the use of ‘Project Fear’, but of course only when directed by Brexiteers against others, not so happy to be on the receiving end.

 

 

As ‘Lance Corporal Jones’ liked to put it, ‘They don’t like it up ‘em’.

 

 

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

So which union is more fragile?

The EU, without a doubt.

The countries of the UK share a common taxation structure and deeply integrated cultures.

Scotland may leave the UK, or it may not, but the EU has already lost one of its biggest members.

Northern Ireland isn't going anywhere, not while a significant portion (currently a majority) of the population want to stay. Even when they are a minority, no one will want to push the issue of re-unification while they still feel strongly their British identity.

 

2 minutes ago, Poet said:

I don't know what YouTube channel you are getting your history from, but none of that is true.

 

Thatcher:

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55494101

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The Single Market was a creation for which the UK has paternity rights. It was Margaret Thatcher's rallying call for European reform, her calling card to unleash a wave of Japanese investment in post-industrial Britain and shepherded into existence by her appointee as commissioner Arthur Cockfield.

Churchill:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_fathers_of_the_European_Union

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British prime minister during World War II, Churchill called for a "United States of Europe", organised democratically, to prevent future wars in Europe. He was a driving force behind the creation of the Council of Europe, a forerunner of the European Union

This is common knowledge (well, at least to us educated remainers)

10 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

Yes, I have seen at least one newspaper now has been saying that more than 20 years - how the EU is doomed - it will soon fall apart and end... yet it is still here... and the UK is getting smaller (Northern Ireland and Gibraltar and possibly in the future Scotland).  So which union is more fragile?

 

Going back to 2015, certain TVF posters have been regularly predicting the 'imminent demise' of the EU. I think Mystic Meg has had more success than those pundits. 

1 hour ago, grumpy 4680 said:

Whilst on the subject, Macron stated that Boris should make up his mind if he's friend or alie what a hypocrite, Macrons been a permanent thorn in the UK's side for years, and still is.

Uk should just do the same to the french lorry drivers.

 

4 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Going back to 2015, certain TVF posters have been regularly predicting the 'imminent demise' of the EU. I think Mystic Meg has had more success than those pundits. 

The EU losing a huge cash contributor, the UK, I would have thought was the start of demise.....????

12 minutes ago, Poet said:

The EU, without a doubt.

The countries of the UK share a common taxation structure and deeply integrated cultures.

Scotland may leave the UK, or it may not, but the EU has already lost one of its biggest members.

Northern Ireland isn't going anywhere, not while a significant portion (currently a majority) of the population want to stay. Even when they are a minority, no one will want to push the issue of re-unification while they still feel strongly their British identity.

 

Biggest members? Biggest mugs for putting up with all their kak,also one of the biggest contributers,sorry take that back were one of its biggest contributers.

10 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Going back to 2015, certain TVF posters have been regularly predicting the 'imminent demise' of the EU. I think Mystic Meg has had more success than those pundits. 

Forget TVF posters, much of the criticism is now coming from the European media and the 27 nations themselves. I think Mystic Meg has more idea than UvLeyen.

7 minutes ago, transam said:

 

The EU losing a huge cash contributor, the UK, I would have thought was the start of demise.....????

Naw the eus got loadsamoney.haven,t produced a balance sheet in donkeys years think of the accountancy fees they,ve saved.

53 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

Bull, in international trade there is lots of paperwork... there is a reason why smaller companies do disproportionately smaller amounts of international trade...

I'm a sole trader, my total operation consists of just me. I internationally trade with Thailand and it takes me 2-3 hours per 40 foot HC container to deal with the paperwork in the UK ( it is then completed for me by my shippers).  Then once my goods arrive in Thailand it takes me 1-2 hours to complete the paperwork at this end where our ( me and my customer's )  import agent presents it to customs.

 

Job complete.  The only time international trade and the accompanying paperwork is a problem is when the receiving country wants to make it difficult.

30 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s rather funny, knowing how fond ‘Brexiteers’ are if slogans, particularly the use of ‘Project Fear’, but of course only when directed by Brexiteers against others, not so happy to be on the receiving end.

 

 

As ‘Lance Corporal Jones’ liked to put it, ‘They don’t like it up ‘em’.

 

 

 

 

 

Its always someone elses fault.

30 minutes ago, Poet said:

The EU, without a doubt.

The countries of the UK share a common taxation structure and deeply integrated cultures.

Scotland may leave the UK, or it may not, but the EU has already lost one of its biggest members.

Northern Ireland isn't going anywhere, not while a significant portion (currently a majority) of the population want to stay. Even when they are a minority, no one will want to push the issue of re-unification while they still feel strongly their British identity.

 

The majority in NI back a referendum, and the polls themselves are pretty evenly matched at the moment. Also worth noting that the under 45s tend towards reunification. There is a shift away from the UK. 

 

Majority in Northern Ireland back Irish unity poll

2 hours ago, grumpy 4680 said:

The EU deliberately made things difficult for the UK, yet they were the first to jump in over the Covid vaccine, breaking the rules in the process. UK firms had plenty of time to make alternative arrangements, but didn't. It's time to hit back, Don't import from the crooked EU.

I don't think that the EU are deliberately made things difficult for the UK at all. What they are doing is simply applying the same rules that they would to any non EU country.

 

What we're seeing is the real manifestation that which the UK blindly and foolishly blundered its way into.

 

And Boris Johnson, the face of the Brexit campaign, has got the bloody nerve to suggest ''that a more nimble Britain would be able to trade globally if it cast off the shackles of what he said was an overly bureaucratic EU''.

4 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

I don't think that the EU are deliberately made things difficult for the UK at all. What they are doing is simply applying the same rules that they would to any non EU country.

Which other country in the 'world' is made to partition itself to trade with the EU.

35 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

The majority in NI back a referendum, and the polls themselves are pretty evenly matched at the moment. Also worth noting that the under 45s tend towards reunification. There is a shift away from the UK. 

Sure, it makes a lot of financial sense but you have to factor in the Irish sensibility. Although there are the zealots who want a united Ireland at all costs, the vast majority of the indigenous Irish are more relaxed about it. They certainly wouldn't want to push the loyalists into something they were violently opposed to.

Thanks to the peace agreement, everyone in Northern Ireland, regardless of background, is entitled to both an Irish and a British passport. This, of course, also gives them EU citizenship, meaning freedom of movement, freedom to live, work, and receive medical care anywhere in the EU. All Irish people could already live, work, and vote in the UK, and British people have the same rights in Ireland. They are not really foreign countries to each other.

My hope is that there will be growing closeness and, really, the exact status of Northern Ireland is irrelevant to that. The war was always more about the appalling civil rights situation rather than a united Ireland.

If the hardcore loyalists should, someday, decide that they want a united Ireland, sure, that would be lovely, but it doesn't matter that much. Good relations and slowly easing away the racism of the past is more important. Ireland being richer over the past few decades has certainly helped to shift perspectives, with plenty of loyalists spending time working in the south.

 

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

Naw the eus got loadsamoney.haven,t produced a balance sheet in donkeys years think of the accountancy fees they,ve saved.

Old Brexit lie, long since debunked:

 

https://fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-budget/

 

 

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Which other country in the 'world' is made to partition itself to trade with the EU.

 

Let me guess, one that has been making a big fuss about regaining/having regained ‘sovereignty’?

3 hours ago, KarenBravo said:

If you voted for Brexit, you can't complain. All this was totally foreseeable.

And business has had 4 years since that vote to prepare for the "totally foreseeable"!

4 hours ago, grumpy 4680 said:

The EU deliberately made things difficult for the UK

Absolutely NOT true! The UK wanted to leave the EU, and the EU is just going about its business as usual for EU members. Now the UK seems to realize how stupid they are/have been, and are moaning how difficult things are.
Wake up and stop complaining, UK.... THIS is what you voted for

2 hours ago, vogie said:

Are your slogans suffering any problems getting through customs Chomper? ????????????

I imagine they sail through, the country of origin being the UK.

2 minutes ago, JulesMad said:

Absolutely NOT true! The UK wanted to leave the EU, and the EU is just going about its business as usual for EU members. Now the UK seems to realize how stupid they are/have been, and are moaning how difficult things are.
Wake up and stop complaining, UK.... THIS is what you voted for

        Absolute rubbish, The UK voted to leave because of the stupid, pathetic way the EU goes about its business, Now other EU countries are waking up the facts that an EU federal state is pathetic state to be in.

7 minutes ago, bannork said:

I imagine they sail through, the country of origin being the UK.

Always somebody elses fault.

Just now, vogie said:

Always somebody elses fault.

I didn't heard ANY  EU business people or EU member complain about the way things are done after Brexit...., the ONLY complainers so far are some (the number keeps growing 555)  Brexiteers

More anti Brexit propaganda. Where's the headline: "EUROPEAN POLITICAL UNION VACCINE FAILURE"...

5 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

I didn't heard ANY  EU business people or EU member complain about the way things are done after Brexit...., the ONLY complainers so far are some (the number keeps growing 555)  Brexiteers

Myself, I would "heard" them all into a compound and do the Thai way, point....????

1 minute ago, transam said:

Myself, I would "heard" them all into a compound and do the Thai way, point....????

herd

22 minutes ago, JulesMad said:

Absolutely NOT true! The UK wanted to leave the EU, and the EU is just going about its business as usual for EU members. Now the UK seems to realize how stupid they are/have been, and are moaning how difficult things are.
Wake up and stop complaining, UK.... THIS is what you voted for

We wake up every day knowing we will not be a state in the U.S. of G...How about you...?   ????