Vaccinated foreigners may be allowed to enter Thailand without quarantine

[pentagara]

25 minutes ago, Jumbo1968 said:

In a similar position, I will have had both jabs by March hopefully I can go private and my Thai partner can have jab but we have a 5 year old son. We have been ‘stuck’ in the U.K. since May last year.

Would he have to go into quarantine or would he be allowed to self isolate ?

How is a 5 year old going to self-isolate? Will the child do everything by him/herself for two weeks before it can meet its parents again? Very unlikely. Plus, where would the self-isolation happen? And that's even without mentioning the mental harm done by parents abandoning their small child for two weeks. It probably would be better to wait or to go into quarantine together.

[pentagara]

59 minutes ago, IamNoone88 said:

There is a perception that you cannot catch Covid and pass it on once you have been vaccinated. This is untrue at worst and unproven at best. The vaccination only means that you become less sick because you should be more immune. However, it still seems possible to catch and transmit Covid after vaccination. Research is still ongoing. The uniformed are making these demands to open up the borders without the science and research to support it and that is very dangerous at early stage as it could only lead to another massive round of lock downs in the future.

The tourism industry representatives (TAT, tourist ministers, hotel chain/airline/retail/restaurant & hospitality representatives, ...) are making these demands, and of course they do. They are paid for it, it's literally their job to try to get the industry going again. They are not medical experts, so their demands are weighted by everyone else accordingly.

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[KC 71]

1 hour ago, eeworldwide said:

Actually forget the proposals by thailand and TAT-  the  real delusion is thinking there are tourists of any number at all that can afford to travel here for holidays!!! 
Additionally , the Uk is now demanding quarantine on arrival and probably will for sometime. 
In addition again,  there is still some real concern over  mutant strains and the efficacy of the vaccines to combat them. 
I’d say give it another 18 months before numbers climb up and that’s conservative. 
Realistically, probably more like 2024.  

Or even 2025 !

[Swimfan]

no mass tourism until they vaccinate the  majority of the population. 

[Sean60]

This is fantastic news. 

A move towards reopening the country is welcome by millions of people. 

Please approve and pass it through ASAP.

 

[peter48]

7 hours ago, AmySeeker said:

This is upteenth thread of this. It's just a proposal.

 

Nothing will change till Thailand vaccinates it's vulnerable population.

The assumption is that this 'low tax country'  with a fairly large population facing many economic issues including falling economic growth, falling consumer demand & serious inequality could pay for a massive vaccination campaign . I doubt it. Hopefully the rest of the world or the developed countries could help as WHO hopes. 

Brits are well ahead on vaccinations ( they need to be after Johnson's awful chaos)  with the over 60s to  90s nearly all done and mostly with the great German ( biologist Turk immigrant invented) Pfizer vaccine with very high efficacy. So there is a few million or more able to travel. 

 

Thailand has done really well & I guess it cannot be less testing alone which explains their low numbers as SE Asians generally have done well like Malaysia, Vietnam etc. It cant be just Sun alone as Mexico, India and Brazil as bad as UK & US ( high in California etc) Is it the diet? BKK is so big and mixed?

[Caldera]

Emphasis on "may", and I think at this point it's a BIG maybe!

 

[steevjee]

5 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

A study in Israel has shown that out of 1280,000 people with a dual Pfizer vaccine dose 20 were infected after 2 weeks.

And that would be a FaceBook report I bet.

If it was for real it would be all over mainstream news media, so your source please

[Mavideol]

1 hour ago, steevjee said:

And that would be a FaceBook report I bet.

If it was for real it would be all over mainstream news media, so your source please

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/240-israelis-diagnosed-after-vaccination-underscore-need-for-continued-vigilance/

 

240 Israelis found with COVID after vaccination, underscoring need for vigilance

 

https://www.wionews.com/world/israel-over-12000-people-test-positive-for-covid-19-after-receiving-pfizer-vaccine-358242

 

Israel: Over 12,000 people test positive for COVID-19 after receiving Pfizer vaccine

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[peter48]

Over the last month a common theme as we have watched on BBC or Sky or ITV are harrowing scenes in London's ITC wards: it  has been the increase of younger males especially those in their  50s suffering from this dreadful disease. Look to see what is happening in Mexico or Brazil or USA where Covid disease hits the poor and low income groups disproportionately.

 

Moreover the latest variants of Covid such as the UK, Brazil and South African are dangerously more transmissible & reach greater numbers of younger demographic groups.   The UK had a massive upsurge pre Xmas & the Death Rate under Boris Johnson hit the worst in world for a week or two just recently. Yes seniors are most at risk but in poorer places it hits others too. 

 

Hopefully and as Tony Blair said at weekend the big future question is how the vaccines handle the variants?. So far the news is good with good efficacy. 

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[NoshowJones]

5 hours ago, cardinalblue said:

Explain me your logic...thailand is not going to let vaccinated foreigners in until they become vaccinated...what you are saying is they don’t trust the vaccine so why does it matter then when their population becomes vaccinated?

 

and we all know the roll out in thailand will be a mess once they even obtain the vaccine...

Everything this soldier "government" does is a mess so why should the vaccine be any different? Yes, even the pandemic ended up in a mess, they allowed the Burmese to enter the country illegally and started off this pandemic.

If I could see the Burmese  entering Thailand illegally, why couldn't the "government" and it's soldiers?

[bbbbooboo]

Hmmm..... arent we lucky aliens....

[NoshowJones]

4 hours ago, PaDavid said:

As fake vaccination certificates are already ‘on sale’ who is going to sort the wheat from the chaff?

Maybe the unelected "PM" should send some soldiers down to khaosan Road. 

[jacko45k]

8 hours ago, AmySeeker said:

This is upteenth thread of this. It's just a proposal.

 

Nothing will change till Thailand vaccinates it's vulnerable population.

Maybe, maybe not, not yet, not maybe.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/240-israelis-diagnosed-after-vaccination-underscore-need-for-continued-vigilance/

240 Israelis found with COVID after vaccination, underscoring need for vigilance

 

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

https://www.wionews.com/world/israel-over-12000-people-test-positive-for-covid-19-after-receiving-pfizer-vaccine-358242

Israel: Over 12,000 people test positive for COVID-19 after receiving Pfizer vaccine

 

There is nothing remarkable or troubling about either of those reports for the following reason:

 

The various CV vaccines have NEVER been claimed to prevent someone from contracting the virus. None of them do that.

 

What they are supposed to do is prevent those who do contract the virus from becoming seriously ill or dying from serious medical problems resulting from the virus.

 

So getting successfully vaccinated with a good vaccine isn't going to prevent you from contracting the virus or ending up with a positive test. But hopefully, the vaccine will prevent you from dying or ending up in the hospital.

 

That, by the way, is the reason that health authorities have loudly been urging the public to continue with protective measures like social distancing, masks, hand washing etc... So that people hopefully catch the virus from asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic people who have it.

 

 

[Mywayboy]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

Vaccinated foreigners may be allowed to enter Thailand without quarantine

 

This photograph taken on December 19, 2020 shows longtail boats moored at a beach on Koh Lipe island in the Andaman Sea. (Photo by Mladen ANTONOV / AFP)

 

The Ministry of Tourism and Sports is considering plans to attract foreign tourists back to Thailand, and may allow vaccinated foreigners to enter the country without the need for 14 days in quarantine on arrival.

 

The Tourism and Sports Minister, Pipat Ratchakitprakarn,revealed today that the aim is to have 5-10 million foreign tourists enter Thailand this year, starting after the Songkran festival in mid-April, or in May at the latest. He added that, reaching the 10 million mark will depend on restrictions in countries like Malaysia, China and India.

 

The minister said that he will ask the prime minister for 5 million doses of anti-COVID-19 vaccine to inoculate people working in the tourism sector, with the main focus on Bangkok, Chonburi, Chiang Mai, Phuket, Krabi, Surat Thani and Songkhla, to build confidence amongst travellers.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/vaccinated-foreigners-may-be-allowed-to-enter-thailand-without-quarantine/

 

 

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Why would I want to leave a relatively safe country like Australia & go to a Covid19 hotspot such as Thailand. 

[NoshowJones]

3 hours ago, eeworldwide said:

Actually forget the proposals by thailand and TAT-  the  real delusion is thinking there are tourists of any number at all that can afford to travel here for holidays!!! 
Additionally , the Uk is now demanding quarantine on arrival and probably will for sometime. 
In addition again,  there is still some real concern over  mutant strains and the efficacy of the vaccines to combat them. 
I’d say give it another 18 months before numbers climb up and that’s conservative. 
Realistically, probably more like 2024.  

"Additionally , the Uk is now demanding quarantine on arrival". I know this is not Thailands problem, but I think it is worth asking.

What if a British person arrives at Heathrow skint with just enough money to get him/her to their home? Who pays for the hotel room for their quarantine for 14 days?

[Swimfan]

7 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

"Additionally , the Uk is now demanding quarantine on arrival". I know this is not Thailands problem, but I think it is worth asking.

What if a British person arrives at Heathrow skint with just enough money to get him/her to their home? Who pays for the hotel room for their quarantine for 14 days?

They traveler does. They will likely be given a bill at the end they will have to pay in due coarse 

[Mavideol]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

There is nothing remarkable or troubling about either of those reports for the following reason:

 

The various CV vaccines have NEVER been claimed to prevent someone from contracting the virus. None of them do that.

 

What they are supposed to do is prevent those who do contract the virus from becoming seriously ill or dying from serious medical problems resulting from the virus.

 

So getting successfully vaccinated with a good vaccine isn't going to prevent you from contracting the virus or ending up with a positive test. But hopefully, the vaccine will prevent you from dying or ending up in the hospital.

 

That, by the way, is the reason that health authorities have loudly been urging the public to continue with protective measures like social distancing, masks, hand washing etc... So that people hopefully catch the virus from asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic people who have it.

 

 

maybe this will update your memory

 

23 die in Norway after receiving Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine

 

https://nypost.com/2021/01/15/23-die-in-norway-after-receiving-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine/

 

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[dash]

4 hours ago, thailand49 said:

If you read the medical report this is no surprise!  the testing results have already shown it takes months for a individual to build up their immunity it isn't instant once you get your jab to get 95%. The reason it is recommended one continue to wear mask, use of alcohol, social distant.

not sure for immunity.........but it is possible that produced antibodies can be detected and immune cells are triggerd for unknown actions in the future ....... that is how corona acts in cats in my expirience for the last 35 years.

[WineOh]

It's nice to be right ???? 

[NoshowJones]

2 minutes ago, Swimfan said:

They traveler does. They will likely be given a bill at the end they will have to pay in due coarse 

and just how do they get someone to pay a hotel bill if he/she decides not to pay it. What about all these asylum seekers who left their dinghies straight to a hotel room?

The majority of the British working class would never be able to pay a 14 day hotel room bill, after they pay their rent, council tax, tv licence, this tax and that tax. 

[mike787]

I got Pfizer mates, so I'm inbound, get ready to party Boyz....

[Swimfan]

9 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

and just how do they get someone to pay a hotel bill if he/she decides not to pay it. What about all these asylum seekers who left their dinghies straight to a hotel room?

The majority of the British working class would never be able to pay a 14 day hotel room bill, after they pay their rent, council tax, tv licence, this tax and that tax. 

Well if they can afford to go to Magaluf ?????

[Thomas J]

9 hours ago, Olivie said:

They started to understand that no tourists will come to quarantine in Thailand. It took time but they finally get it.

After gathering all the best minds, spending millions of baht analyzing all the solutions, government determines the logical course of action to attract back tourists.  Of course that was they last choice after they tried and implemented every other conceivable option that had no chance. 

[billsmart]

I don't get the reasoning here. ????

What is the purpose of the quarantine in the first place? Isn't it to isolate you so you cannot pass on the virus if you have it? Being vaccinated doesn't keep you from getting the virus and passing it onto others. It only gives your body a boost in fighting the virus. 

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[NoshowJones]

Just now, Swimfan said:

Well if they can afford to go to Magaluf ?????

This is getting funny, many working class people save all the year round for their two week holiday abroad, at the end of their holiday they are skint and so the pattern begins again. They are not going to afford a hotel room for 14 days, other bills will come first.

Another thing, do people not have to pay upfront for a hotel room?

I would just love to know what any authority is going to do with people from abroad after  they go through customs regarding quarantine.

[Swimfan]

9 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

This is getting funny, many working class people save all the year round for their two week holiday abroad, at the end of their holiday they are skint and so the pattern begins again. They are not going to afford a hotel room for 14 days, other bills will come first.

Another thing, do people not have to pay upfront for a hotel room?

I would just love to know what any authority is going to do with people from abroad after  they go through customs regarding quarantine.

Well if they are stupid enough to travel abroad during a pandemic.......

[NoshowJones]

1 minute ago, Swimfan said:

Well if they are stupid enough to travel abroad during a pandemic.......

Well a lot of people are.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

57 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

maybe this will update your memory

 

23 die in Norway after receiving Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine

 

https://nypost.com/2021/01/15/23-die-in-norway-after-receiving-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine/

 

 

WHO Says Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 Vaccine Is Safe For The Elderly After Norway Questioned Its Role In Numerous Deaths

 

"The World Health Organization said Friday that it still recommends the use of the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 shot  with an expert panel it convened finding no evidence implicating it in the deaths of elderly people, after Norway’s medicines authority said there was no certain connection when 23 elderly patients died shortly after receiving the vaccine.

 

The reports of deaths in elderly people receiving the vaccine “are in line with” what would be expected for that demographic, the WHO Global Advisory Committee on Vaccine Safety said Friday.

 

The information available doesn’t suggest that the vaccine contributed to the deaths, the group concluded, emphasizing that the benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks of not being vaccinated against Covid-19."

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/01/22/who-says-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-is-safe-for-the-elderly-after-norway-questioned-its-role-in-numerous-deaths/?sh=f63f84a255ec