21 hours ago, shy coconut said:

It is interesting that the Astra Zeneca vaccine has been withdrawn from use in Sth Africa 

and they are trying to flog their current stock and those on order.

 

At the same time the health authorities in the UK are trying their best to contain the 

SA variant by way of mass home testing.

 

This may well mean that the AZ vaccine, which the UK government is pinning its hopes on 

isn't proving effective against that particular strain...

 

For disclosure, I am not an expert virologist and last studied biology 45 years ago, so am happy 

enough to admit that I am in no way any kind of authority on this matter!!

The discussion about efficacy of AstraZ vaccine is also where I am. It may not be on the level of Moderna but it will protect you from getting severly ill. Our specialists all recommend to take what is offered. You can always later on top up with Pfizer or Moderna. 

Well , I am OK with AZ  , Pfizer,  Moderna and even Sputnik,  but no Sinovac , sorry ????,  we wouldn't have this pandemic if they would have handled it by protocols. 

23 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

The vaccine  has not been withdrawn from South Africa.  It's South Africa that decide not to use.  very big difference. You misunderstand the information on the Oxford vaccine. There is no information yet on whether it acts to reduce severe illness or death with South Africa variant. So far, only one study indicated that it had little effect against mild disease caused by the variant now spreading in South Africa. More information needed to see next step. The experts say to continue with the vaccine as it is better than nothing. What is certain is that if this type of vaccine  does not work, then similar type from Russia and China will not work either.  The Pfizer and Moderna appear to work.

 

I do not think ethical to allow private import and sale of vaccine. We must prioritize the  vulnerable and health care workers first. Hiso and generals are lower risk.

 

 

And you think you can stop them ????????????

I am shure they already got vaccinated. 

1 hour ago, Marco100 said:

Well , I am OK with AZ  , Pfizer,  Moderna and even Sputnik,  but no Sinovac , sorry ????,  we wouldn't have this pandemic if they would have handled it by protocols. 

but trump and johnson handled the pandemic with very light "it's just a common flu" approach.

in wuhan they closed 53mln in a lock down just before chinese new year. They also barred all tourists to thailand by travel agencies on 24.1.

there were reports, that doors to flats with positive were welded and food supplied by rope from balconies and windows

at the same time they closed all tourists attractions.

also many other very strict measures. Because of these they were able to stop spread of infection within a month. In june pandemic was over and economy was running full speed.

in comparison in the USA and the UK they did not bother to react till the second wave in the autumn.