Retirement extension with multi reentry,, what more required to re-enter

[Tanoshi]

30 minutes ago, jonnyscot said:

 

so just to be clear on my situation, I entered on non imm O type single entry,,, made an extension on retirement at immigration with multi reentry permit, is it correct that I require both insurances firstly to satisfy my period of stay in country, and the covid insurance also to cover the full duration of my stay 

In my opinion yes, you will require both the Covid Insurance and the Health Insurance when re-entering Thailand with an extension based on retirement with a re-entry permit.

(As well as meeting all the other requirements)

They will have to cover any remaining permission of stay you'll be granted on re-entry, which will be the expiry date of your current permission of stay. (Extension of stay permitted to date on your current extension)

 

I base that on the information from the Thai Embassy London website in the same situation.

(I can find little on the Thai Embassy website Taiwan)

 

I assume you have a return ticket to Thailand. I would confirm the exact requirements for rebounding to Thailand with the airline. 

[bolt]

On 2/21/2021 at 9:42 AM, Peter Denis said:

It depends on your nationality whether the 400K/40K in/out-patient health-insurance requirement now also mandatory for Non Imm O Visa applications for reason of retirement, would be accepted when issued by a foreign/international insurer (accepted by the US Thai Embassy, but not accepted by many other Thai Embassies which insist on Thai insurance for that 400K/40K healht insurance).

NOTE: For meeting the currently - as part of the CoE requirements - also required 100.000 US $ covid-19 treatment insurance for everybody wanting to re-enter Thailand, you can make use both of Thai or foreign/international insurance.

 

I already have the retirement visa, due to expire Oct 2021, i left LOS January 10th i expect to return in june this year.

so do you think i need the 400K/40K in/out-patient health-insurance, or only the COVID $100k Insurance.?

 

I'm a UK passport holder 

[Peter Denis]

1 hour ago, bolt said:

I already have the retirement visa, due to expire Oct 2021, i left LOS January 10th i expect to return in june this year.

so do you think i need the 400K/40K in/out-patient health-insurance, or only the COVID $100k Insurance.?

 

I'm a UK passport holder 

I presume you mean that you have a Re-Entry Permit protected permission to stay (till Oct 2021) from your 1-year retirement extension based on your original Non Imm O Visa.

You would surely need the 100.000 US $ covid-19 treatment insurance for the remaining period on your permission to stay.

There are contradictory signals from reports whether the London Thai Embassy is actually enforcing that 400K/40K health-insurance requirement which they published on their website. 

Imo - based on their own website info - it will be required.

But the cost of that 400K/40K health-insurance is not high, as the cheapest throw-away Thai policy meeting the requirement (LMG Insurance Plan-1 with 200K deductible) only costs 6.000 THB to 11.400 THB in the age bracket of 51 to 75 years of age for a fully year premium, and that policy does not require any medical to subscribe to it.

[Tanoshi]

3 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

There are contradictory signals from reports whether the London Thai Embassy is actually enforcing that 400K/40K health-insurance requirement which they published on their website. 

Imo - based on their own website info - it will be required.

He doesn't need anything from the Thai Embassy if he has an extension and re-entry permit.

If it's not required for the COE (as reported) then he doesn't need it, just meet the other requirements.

[Tuvoc]

13 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

He doesn't need anything from the Thai Embassy if he has an extension and re-entry permit.

If it's not required for the COE (as reported) then he doesn't need it, just meet the other requirements.

 

So, conflicting advice here about the 40k/400k requirement then !  it makes no sense to me that you'd need it, if you did not need it to obtain the extension that is currently valid and that you hold a re-entry permit for. But, the Thai system can be a bit quirky.

 

 

[ubonjoe]

28 minutes ago, Tuvoc said:

So, conflicting advice here about the 40k/400k requirement then !  it makes no sense to me that you'd need it, if you did not need it to obtain the extension that is currently valid and that you hold a re-entry permit for.

It should not be required but some embassies are requiring it to get a certificate of entry (COE) issued by them.

The requirements to get a new non-o visa for retirement state it is needed so they are carrying that over to the getting a certificate of entry for a existing extension of stay based upon retirement.

[Tuvoc]

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

It should not be required but some embassies are requiring it to get a certificate of entry (COE) issued by them.

The requirements to get a new non-o visa for retirement state it is needed so they are carrying that over to the getting a certificate of entry for a existing extension of stay based upon retirement.

 

When you say some embassies require it for COE - is it in fact the embassy that does the COE approvals ?  It is all done totally online through the same international website, and I must say I thought those approvals were given by a government department in Thailand.

 

[ubonjoe]

57 minutes ago, Tuvoc said:

 

When you say some embassies require it for COE - is it in fact the embassy that does the COE approvals ?  It is all done totally online through the same international website, and I must say I thought those approvals were given by a government department in Thailand.

 

It is approved and issued by the embassy or consulate you select when doing the application. The application is sent to them

[bolt]

24 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

It is approved and issued by the embassy or consulate you select when doing the application. The application is sent to them

Thanks for the reply. i will contact my Nearest Embassy when I'm due to return, and I'll update ALL.

I'm looking at May or June.

[Tanoshi]

5 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

The requirements to get a new non-o visa for retirement state it is needed so they are carrying that over to the getting a certificate of entry for a existing extension of stay based upon retirement.

Is that definitive Joe, that when returning on an existing permission of stay based on retirement with a re-entry permit, the Health Insurance is required for the COE.

So far on that subject, all I've read is conflicting reports posted on here, based on 'my friend' or someone on Fakebook Facebook said .......

I haven't as yet read (although I could have missed it) from a member recently returning on a retirement extension with a re-entry permit stating the Health Insurance was required for the COE - or did they just acquire it and upload it anyway when it wasn't necessarily required.

 

Link to a source of the information would be helpful.

[ubonjoe]

36 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Is that definitive Joe, that when returning on an existing permission of stay based on retirement with a re-entry permit, the Health Insurance is required for the COE.

So far on that subject, all I've read is conflicting reports posted on here, based on 'my friend' or someone on Fakebook Facebook said .......

As I wrote before it depends upon the embassy that issues the COE. I can recalls reports of some embassies requiring it to get a COE.

This page on the embassy website in the US has it included on this page titled.

"Visa and Certificate of Entry for Non-Thai nationals who wish to obtain a retirement visa or a long-stay visa
(Non-Immigrant Category O (retirement) / O-A / O-X) or who is currently holding re-entry permit for such visas"

Source: https://thaiembdc.org/2020/09/30/nonimmigrantoaox/

[Tanoshi]

7 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

As I wrote before it depends upon the embassy that issues the COE. I can recalls reports of some embassies requiring it to get a COE.

This page on the embassy website in the US has it included on this page titled.

"Visa and Certificate of Entry for Non-Thai nationals who wish to obtain a retirement visa or a long-stay visa
(Non-Immigrant Category O (retirement) / O-A / O-X) or who is currently holding re-entry permit for such visas"

Source: https://thaiembdc.org/2020/09/30/nonimmigrantoaox/

That condition only appears to included on the US Embassy website,  ref the re-entry permit.

None of others I've looked at including the UK make no reference to requiring Health Insurance when re-entering on a re-entry permit on an extension from a Non O Visa, to obtain the COE.

[jonnyscot]

On 2/13/2021 at 12:43 PM, Peter Denis said:

This is an example where having bought a Re-Entry Permit is actually more of a burden than an advantage.

In your case when wanting to re-enter Thailand on the Re-Entry Permit that kept the permission to stay 'alive' of the 1-year retirement extension based on your original Non Imm O Visa, you will need to meet 2 insurance requirements:

1 - a 400K/40K health-insurance policy < dead-cheapest policy being the LMG Plan-1 insurance with 200K deductible, which sells for an annual premium of 6.000 to 11.400 THB in the age categories of 51 to 75 years of age >;

2 - a 100.000 US $ covid-19 treatment insurance, which you would have to subscribe to for the remaining period on your Re-Entry Permit protected permission to stay (as you wrote, almost 1 year in your case).

 

The alternative - if you hadn't bought the Re-Entry Permit -  would have been to re-enter Thailand VisaExempt (45 days permission to stay) or on a 60-day Tourist Visa.  And then when still having at least 15 days (some IOs require 23 days) left on the permission to stay you received from that VE or TV entry, apply at your local IO for a 90-day Non Imm O Visa for reason of retirement.  And in the last month of those 90 days you could then apply at that same local IO for a 1-year extension based on that new Non Imm O Visa for reason of retirement.

The advantage of doing the above would be:

- that you would NOT have to subscribe to that 400K/40K health-insurance policy, AND

- that you would only have to subscribe for a 2-month period (instead of 1 year) for that 100.000 US $ covid-19 treatment insurance, AND

- that new Non Imm O Visa and subsequent 1-year extension, would reset the date of your current 1-year permission to stay with 3 to 4.5 months.

 

@ubonjoe > Interesting question is whether OP would be allowed to follow that VE or TV-route or whether his still valid Re-Entry Permit would force him to make use of it.

Just wondering whether a confirmed departing flight ticket from thailand maybe within say 2 to 3 months May reduce the duration requirement for the covid insurance, just a thought? , 

[jonnyscot]

Getting conflicting advice from Thai insurers is confusing this further, one insurer whom I believe is a sponsor of TV is telling me that although I require the 400/40 insurance the covid insurance with minimum cover of 100,000 USD is only for those applying for the visa outside the country for reentry and not those returning on extensions.

im sure they are mistaken on this but I would have expected the thai insurance staff would have up to date info and knowledge on the subject, copied part from the email request I sent 

 

“covid insurance with minimum cover upwards of 100,000 USD”

-This is just for people who apply visa for entrance to Thailand only, not for your visa extension.

 

edited to add.. I did make it clear in the email that I would be exiting country and required this to satisfy COE requirements for reentry 

[Peter Denis]

2 hours ago, jonnyscot said:

Just wondering whether a confirmed departing flight ticket from thailand maybe within say 2 to 3 months May reduce the duration requirement for the covid insurance, just a thought? , 

No, the rules on that issue are quite clear.  The 100.000 US $ covid-19 treatment insurance is required for the full period of the permission to stay you would receive when entering Thailand.

If the Visa on which you enter requires an outward-bound flight before your permission to stay expires, that does not alter the fight that the covid-19 insurance must cover that full permission to stay.

[Peter Denis]

2 hours ago, jonnyscot said:

Getting conflicting advice from Thai insurers is confusing this further, one insurer whom I believe is a sponsor of TV is telling me that although I require the 400/40 insurance the covid insurance with minimum cover of 100,000 USD is only for those applying for the visa outside the country for reentry and not those returning on extensions.

im sure they are mistaken on this but I would have expected the thai insurance staff would have up to date info and knowledge on the subject, copied part from the email request I sent 

 

“covid insurance with minimum cover upwards of 100,000 USD”

-This is just for people who apply visa for entrance to Thailand only, not for your visa extension.

 

edited to add.. I did make it clear in the email that I would be exiting country and required this to satisfy COE requirements for reentry 

You are right, that the insurer is providing incorrect information.  As the 100.000 US $ covid-19 treatment insurance is mandatory for EVERYBODY entering Thailand, irrespective whether it is on a Visa or on a Re-Entry Permit protected valid permission to stay from an extension.

[Tanoshi]

3 hours ago, jonnyscot said:

“covid insurance with minimum cover upwards of 100,000 USD”

-This is just for people who apply visa for entrance to Thailand only, not for your visa extension.

That advice is completely wrong and I concur with @Peter Denis

 

The Covid Insurance 100,000 USD is a general requirement for everybody entering Thailand and is a requirement to obtain the COE.